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School Survey Asks Sixth Graders About Visiting Gay Bars
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Parents with children who attend a Texas middle school are wondering what gay bars and transsexuals have to do with Black History Month.

Sixth graders at North Richland Middle School were presented a survey asking if they were comfortable with going to a gay bar or if they would be okay if their sister’s new boyfriend is a female-to-male transsexual.

The Fort Worth Star Telegram reports the 41-question survey was part of the diversity curriculum for Black History Month. Students were instructed to rate their level of comfort with various scenarios:

-A friend invites you to go to a gay bar
-You go to the gay bar and a person of the same sex asks you to dance
-Your sister invites her new boyfriend home to dinner. He is a female-to-male transsexual
-Y-our dentist is HIV positive.
-Your assigned lab partner is a Fundamentalist Christian

Parent Ashley Brent told the Star-Telegram her son was very uncomfortable with what he called a “weird test.”

“This is not something that is school-appropriate,” she told the newspaper.

And what HIV-positive dentists and transsexual boyfriends have to do with Black History Month is beyond me.

A Birdville Independent School District spokesperson told the Todd Starnes Radio Show that the survey was not developed or distributed by the district.

“We agree the survey was not appropriate and disciplinary action was taken,” the spokesperson said.

It certainly appears that the school teacher was caught red-handed trying to indoctrinate a bunch of sixth graders.

The lesson here for moms and dads — pay close attention to what your child is learning in school.

And if you see something — say something.

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teacher needs to be hit in da face... Mellow
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The teacher needs fired as well. Wonder if any criminal charges can be filed?
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So Spey, what is your level of comfort with:

-A friend invites you to go to a gay bar
-You go to the gay bar and a person of the same sex asks you to dance
-Your sister invites her new boyfriend home to dinner. He is a female-to-male transsexual
-Y-our dentist is HIV positive.
-Your assigned lab partner is a Fundamentalist Christian.

Mellow
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Well, I'd be fine with a fundamentalist Christian lab partner. My dentist, maybe she is HIV positive. Who knows?
Sis is married with 2 kids, pretty sure he is anatomically correct.
I don't dance so moot point.
I have been to gay bars with friends.

Teachers with agendas shouldn't be teachers.
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DrafterX wrote:
So Spey, what is your level of comfort with:

-A friend invites you to go to a gay bar / PASS
-You go to the gay bar and a person of the same sex asks you to dance / Couldn't happen as I already passed on going.
-Your sister invites her new boyfriend home to dinner. He is a female-to-male transsexual / I'm eating out...
-Y-our dentist is HIV positive. / Looking for a new dentist
-Your assigned lab partner is a Fundamentalist Christian. / I don't work in a lab so this sin't a possible scenario, but no issues here unless they're " selling it all day long to others "

Mellow




Hell I'll happily answer that one Drafter.....and this teacher....should NEVER be allowed in a classroom ever again
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I’m trying to remember the class my 12 year old middle school daughter is in, but they purposely ask controversial questions to provoke conversation and critical thought. They are not trying to indoctrinate or get folks to think a certain way (quite the opposite) and I’m in agreement on how they teach the class. However, the teacher keeps us informed what he is doing and why.

They led one conversation with the Kennedy assasination and multiple killers. I think it’s garbage (like most conspiracy theories) but it was the premise. Students form their own beliefs based on facts available to them.

I got an email from him saying he noticed my daughter is reading a book they read an excerpt from earlier in the year. He indicated the excerpt they read was edited for appropriateness and was used to drive a conversation on poverty. He said it’s a great, and award winning book but it covers difficult and controversial subjects and we needed to be aware. He shared a link to cliff notes so we’d know what was in there. He wanted us to give (or not give) permission for her to continue to read it in her class.

The book had poverty, crime, physical abuse, sexual abuse (a grandmother and grand son) and the results of all of the above. I talked about it with my daughter and we decided to let her read it with the caveat that she paraphrase what she read each day with us and we discussed the topic and how she felt about it. What made her uncomfortable, what she understood or doesn’t understand etc. What we found is she’s smart, curious, and discussing things imo is better than hiding from them. That is different than glorifying or promoting. I feel the same about guns and alcohol. Ignorance breeds fear or unchecked curiosity.

I don’t know what this OP is all about, or the context. Context is everything. It could be a legitimate outrage, or it could be a convent outrage. PC goes both ways. You don’t like something so it shouldn’t be discussed or brought up. It’s not PC when you agree with it. Only when you don’t.

This whole thing depends on how and why it was done. And the teacher was dumb if they didn’t involve parents.

Edit: the teacher was disciplined so I assume it was just garbage or a very conservative district. Either way, dumb.
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teedubbya wrote:
I’m trying to remember the class my 12 year old middle school daughter is in, but they purposely ask controversial questions to provoke conversation and critical thought. They are not trying to indoctrinate or get folks to think a certain way (quite the opposite) and I’m in agreement on how they teach the class. However, the teacher keeps us informed what he is doing and why.



How can you provoke conversation with a survey?



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Speyside wrote:


Teachers with agendas shouldn't be teachers.


Massachusetts would lose all their public educators with that attitude, sir.


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And this would be a bad thing?
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No. Just a good start.

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tailgater wrote:
How can you provoke conversation with a survey?






By compiling and discussing the results. It helps you drive the conversation. The teacher I reference does it frequently. It gives an idea where the class is at and you can be devils advocate to get them thinking. There are about another dozen ways and reasons as well.

I do it frequently for work. Just not about your lifestyle.


I’m not saying that’s what this teacher is doing. Just answering your question.
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That's what I do here... Mellow
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I'm guessing the person that wrote that test is CigarBid member. Not talking
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Pretty sure Victor was administering the exams...
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at what age, or when, is it appropriate to speak with your kids about homosexuality, social interactions with gay people and those who are HIV positive, and religion?
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18... Mellow
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delta1 wrote:
at what age, or when, is it appropriate to speak with your kids about homosexuality, social interactions with gay people and those who are HIV positive, and religion?


Questions about ANY bar aimed at a 6th grader is a bad question.




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As for the gay thing, don't worry.
Kids don't care.

I'm sure there's still some teasing and bullying, but it's not about sexual orientation so much as being different (the age-old reason for wedgies since we were kids).

A cross dresser in high school? shrug.
A gay couple going to prom? double shrug.

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Another reason to put God back in da schools... Mellow
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All of the questions seem to advanced for a 6th grader.
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You would think so but prime time TV uses these topics for comedy every night... Mellow
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tailgater wrote:
Questions about ANY bar aimed at a 6th grader is a bad question.






true...not an appropriate questionnaire for the grade level...prolly a lazy teacher who cut and paste or ripped off something from the internet...I can see a possible rationale for the timing tho, coinciding with BHM, where discussion of historical discrimination and the evolution of protected classes is expected...

I see TW's point about using some tool to start a discussion as an effective technique to start the thinking process...in today's world, the average 6th grader will be hearing some talk about such things, just watching the local news and other shows on TV, as Drafter astutely pointed out, or on social media...

as an engaged parent, it would be a good thing to have some conversations with your children about these topics, especially to provide them with the parent's perspectives to be a counterpoint to possibly extreme info your child may hear......
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why asking 6th graders about bars of any sort is a good idea escapes me...
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tailgater wrote:
How can you provoke conversation with a survey?




Isn't that we're all sort of doing here?

Not you, of course...
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gummy jones wrote:
why asking 6th graders about bars of any sort is a good idea escapes me...

Guess they, uh, lowered the bar...
teedubbya Offline
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The sexuality part and the religion part bothers me more than the bar.

To each their own.
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Why would the religion part bother you? Most children grow up with religion. I view it as the least troublesome part. Religion is not adults only. Sexual orientation and drinking to me are much more adult oriented.

Children will often have had many religious discussions with their parents by 6th grade. On the other hand discussions about sexual orientation and drinking will have been much more limited. IMHO.
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I don’t trust the school to do religion properly. Take another look at the questions. Do you suspect this guy had a pro religion agenda assuming he had an agenda?

The bar part is benign to me. The sexuality and religion parts are more dangerous assuming bad intent, which I think we are.
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As for my own child, as long as we keep talking I’m not too worried about an individual teacher. If she stops talking or I get lazy I guess then I’d worry.

So none of it would worry me. But the bar part? We go to traditional town square long narrow bar for burgers every now and then. You can still smoke in there. We play pool and eat.

Meh.
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I also highly doubt the bar part was the central focus of the “lesson”. I suspect it was more filler than prime. The setting if you will rather than the subject. It seems to me religion and sexuality were the subjects at hand.

Either way this teacher is an idiot.
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teedubbya wrote:
I don’t trust the school to do religion properly. Take another look at the questions. Do you suspect this guy had a pro religion agenda assuming he had an agenda?

The bar part is benign to me. The sexuality and religion parts are more dangerous assuming bad intent, which I think we are.

Agreed. It's ridiculously inappropriate for 11 year olds
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My assumptions are as follows.

If adgendaized, the primary agenda would be sexual orientation. The religious aspect would be second and basically aimed at sexual orientation. Bars are only a by product of the sexual orientation.
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Does anyone 'do religion properly'?
teedubbya Offline
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Spey I think it was trying to get at their feelings about sexuality and religion and the bar was just a setting. Who knows though.
teedubbya Offline
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Level of comfort with your lab partner being a fundamentalist Christian seems pretty primary rather than secondary though. It’s it’s own specific question. I’m not upset about the lab either. Lab partner, bar partner meh. I think it’s about comfort level with gays, fundamentalists etc rather than about bars or labs but who really knows.

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She should be punished,loss of teaching certificate and forced to do several hundred hours of pull your head out ya azz training.I'm not comfortable with any of this so called survey for any 6th grader.

Twenty years ago,here in Texas,she would have been hung in the town square.Sadly we've attracted lots of liberals over the years with lots of good paying jobs and cities for them to live in that have just enough weird/strange culture to make them feel comfortable.Austin is their Mecca.

Yea........I miss the good old days.
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It just seems such a survey would be more appropriate for high school. Though we have no context here. Which might make a difference.
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I agree Spey. It’s dumb any way you look at it. There may be context but the fact he/she has been disciplined makes me think it’s just stupidity.

I don’t want him/her hung though

Mellow
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Speyside wrote:
It just seems such a survey would be more appropriate for high school. Though we have no context here. Which might make a difference.


BULLPUCKEY........surveys like this do not belong in school at any level.College yes,with the option to exclude yourself from such bullschit if you wish.
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teedubbya wrote:


I don’t want him/her hung though

Mellow


Ok...ok......a firing squad will work
Speyside Offline
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Not gonna go there, take the high road. Oh who am I kidding. I thought you liked them hung.
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Speyside wrote:
My assumptions are as follows.

If adgendaized, the primary agenda would be sexual orientation. The religious aspect would be second and basically aimed at sexual orientation. Bars are only a by product of the sexual orientation.


Are you saying it's OK to present a hypothetical to a sixth grader that includes adult themes as long as it relates to the intended subject matter?

"OK class. My wife had unprotected sex with an entire rock band last night after satisfying 3 politicians and a member of the school board. What are the chances that I'll get VD if we have anal sex tonight?"

I mean, there's no better age to learn about sexually transmitted disease, is there?

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I just don’t see the bar part as sensational as some I guess. Particularly given the other subject matter.
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teedubbya wrote:

I don’t want him/her hung though

Mellow


I was gonna say...."that's not what you said in the shower".Then I thought that might be inappropriate for this thread.Then I said.......wtf,am I going all politically correct?Answer; **** no
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Well hung is better than prematurely shot.
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teedubbya wrote:
I just don’t see the bar part as sensational as some I guess. Particularly given the other subject matter.


One could argue that the other subject matter is fair game for discussion.
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Reading is fundamental. It appears you read no other posts. To be clear this was way out of line. Which I have pointed out more than once. Pay attention when you want to be snarky.
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teedubbya wrote:
I just don’t see the bar part as sensational as some I guess. Particularly given the other subject matter.


Look at the bar question from the child's POV. It begs the question, "Is it OK for a minor to goto into a bar?" Apparently is is OK, cool!
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Meh. It is ok for a minor to go in to a bar. It’s not ok for them to drink.
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