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Are Cellophane Wrappers on Cigars Making Humidors Ineffective?
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GhettoNigFabulous Offline
#1 Posted: Sun, Mar 18 2018, 12:21 PM EST
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I feel kinda pissed.

I just bought a Joya De Nicaragua Antano 1970, thinking it would be a cigar that could possibly rival the greatness of Partagas Black and CAO Brazilia.

To my great dismay I unwrapped the cellophane on it and it is dry and ashy as a black mans skin in winter who ran out of cocoa butter. The only flavors Im getting from it are some soapy and empty flavors. It tastes dry as all hell!

The store I bought it from has a big deluxe humidor, but Im thinking the cellophane wraps must not let any moisture get to the cigars. Really sick of it, why cant we go back to the days of cigars being naked so they can absorb the moisture of the humidor??
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#2 Posted: Sun, Mar 18 2018, 12:43 PM EST
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It is my understanding that cello is porous, and allows moisture to pass through. More then likely, your shop received the cigar dry, and it hadn't had a chance to re-humidify. But then again, if it's as bad and dried out as you said, many of the natural oils would have been lost, and it probably never would have returned to it's original state of flavor.

David
Whistlebritches Offline
#3 Posted: Sun, Mar 18 2018, 1:39 PM EST
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^^^^^What he or she said +1
KingoftheCove Offline
#4 Posted: Sun, Mar 18 2018, 1:56 PM EST
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The "store" you bought it from...............is it a cigar/tobacco shop?
Or, just a retail store that happens to have a cabinet humi.....or, is it actually a walkin?

Many explanations as to what could have happened. Answer my questions, and I may be able to shed some light.
I am however surprised, that a botl with your "experience" didn't notice how dry it was BEFORE you lit it up.

That way you could have stashed it in your humi for a while to let it get back to a proper RH.
But, it may already have dried out to a point of no return.
GhettoNigFabulous Offline
#5 Posted: Sun, Mar 18 2018, 2:59 PM EST
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I bought it at one of those beer distributors that also sells cigars. The people in the store seem to be young punks who dont know **** about cigars so that was not good. It was a cabinet humidor but a big one and they have a lot of selection.

I knew it looked a little dry but right now my humidor isnt stocked up so it was my only choice, Damn
Salmoneye Offline
#6 Posted: Sun, Mar 18 2018, 6:31 PM EST
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Cello is not 'porous'...It IS slightly permeable, but not very...

That is why it is extensively used in the processed food industry...

If cello was indeed as permeable to air as many cigar 'aficionados' incorrectly write about online, then crackers, cupcakes, etc. would all be dry as a rock and stale before they were sold...

If you are one of those people that continually rearrange, and fondle your 'sticks', then Cello on cigars in a humidor can somewhat protect the wrapper leaf from damage...

All IMNSHO, of course...
KingoftheCove Offline
#7 Posted: Sun, Mar 18 2018, 7:59 PM EST
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Salmoneye wrote:
Cello is not 'porous'...It IS slightly permeable, but not very...

That is why it is extensively used in the processed food industry...

If cello was indeed as permeable to air as many cigar 'aficionados' incorrectly write about online, then crackers, cupcakes, etc. would all be dry as a rock and stale before they were sold...

If you are one of those people that continually rearrange, and fondle your 'sticks', then Cello on cigars in a humidor can somewhat protect the wrapper leaf from damage...

All IMNSHO, of course...

There's other factors......namely....the thickness of the cello.
Cello on versus off is an old debate.
True that a cello on cigar will respond slower to a given rh in a humi, compared to a naked cigar.
But sometimes, that can be a good thing, especially for the noob who doesn't know what he is doing, and hasn't figured out how to control his storage rh.

And, cello does quite a bit more than "somewhat" protect a wrapper imho........I would say it protects it very well.
And, then there's the beetle factor...
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#8 Posted: Sun, Mar 18 2018, 8:20 PM EST
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GhettoNigFabulous wrote:
I bought it at one of those beer distributors that also sells cigars. The people in the store seem to be young punks who dont know **** about cigars



There's your answer.



KingoftheCove wrote:

And, then there's the beetle factor...



And what exactly is that?
tonygraz Offline
#9 Posted: Sun, Mar 18 2018, 9:33 PM EST
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Volkswagon humidor.
joeman Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 1:36 PM EST
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GhettoNigFabulous wrote:
I bought it at one of those beer distributors that also sells cigars. The people in the store seem to be young punks who dont know **** about cigars so that was not good. It was a cabinet humidor but a big one and they have a lot of selection.

I knew it looked a little dry but right now my humidor isnt stocked up so it was my only choice, Damn


Humidity over time, or in this case low humidity over time. It sat there and as dry as the outside was, it was likely also dry on the inside. Would take a long time at 68% to get it up to equalize, maybe a month. Cello to me has never been an issue either way. I have 20 year old cigars with and without cello, all age beautifully.
jjanecka Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Mar 29 2018, 7:04 PM EST
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You really get what you deserve. They just don't maintain the humi...

Cello is breathable...
Buckwheat Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Mar 29 2018, 9:59 PM EST
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Ha, ha, ha....horse Beer
qmech Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Mar 29 2018, 10:26 PM EST
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Gerbil ... Bug in cigars.... Shame on you They like to creep out when temp and humidity factors are not kept in good order.. Speak to the hand Then infest other cigars in the area....Them hungry little bustards.... Cello can slow them down when they appear... Yet they will get through with enough time....Damn Bugs...Of course you already knew this....horse
bs_kwaj Offline
#14 Posted: Fri, Mar 30 2018, 6:00 AM EST
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It's a good thing somebody finally discovered this!

You should contact all the manufacturers of the cigars you like and demand that they top using that cellophane crap!


Beer
RMAN4443 Offline
#15 Posted: Fri, Mar 30 2018, 10:15 AM EST
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I snip the fingers off rubber gloves and use them as little "cigar condoms"........working through the patent issues takes time.....
vanzandt Offline
#16 Posted: Sat, Mar 31 2018, 11:01 PM EST
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Your name enough makes me wanna slap the chit outa you, however comedy grade A
Pudding Mittens Offline
#17 Posted: Mon, Apr 2 2018, 6:54 PM EST
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I thought everyone already knew how this worked! The cellophane sleeves block all air and water vapor from reaching all cigars EXCEPT the King Of All Cigars, the CAO Brazilia. Science has not yet determined definitively whether or not the air and water vapor is also blocked from getting through to the serious contender to the crown, the Partagas Black, but experiments are ongoing.
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24132413 Offline
#18 Posted: Fri, Apr 6 2018, 1:58 AM EST
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......like everyone said, it has NOTHING to do with the cello. Go back to the place you got it and tell them there shat is dried out. And don't compare two full flavored maduros to a criollo wrapped cigar. You probably already know the wrappers color means nothing. The Antano is better compared to a stick like Kristoff Criollo. You take the cello off the 1970 Antano Churchill and let it age for a year naked in proper humidity and it stays full flavored but becomes very sweet and smooth as silk. Awesome smoke.

Herfing
Pudding Mittens Offline
#19 Posted: Sun, Apr 8 2018, 12:26 PM EST
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24132413 wrote:
You take the cello off the 1970 Antano Churchill and let it age for a year naked in proper humidity and it stays full flavored but becomes very sweet and smooth as silk. Awesome smoke.

Herfing

Funny you should say that. Last night I smoked one of those from a box I've been aging for 7.5 years. Wonderful experience.
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yankeelawdog Offline
#20 Posted: Sat, Jul 28 2018, 1:47 PM EST
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I believe keeping the wrappers on actually aids in humidification by trapping and maintaining a good level of moisture. Most of the unwrapped cigars in my humidor tend to start coming unglued or crack from too much humidity.
frankj1 Offline
#21 Posted: Sat, Jul 28 2018, 10:59 PM EST
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yankeelawdog wrote:
I believe keeping the wrappers on actually aids in humidification by trapping and maintaining a good level of moisture. Most of the unwrapped cigars in my humidor tend to start coming unglued or crack from too much humidity.

I'd bet anything you really mean cello, not wrappers.
bgz Offline
#22 Posted: Sun, Jul 29 2018, 11:24 AM EST
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So GNF is a cello off guy?

How many kids you got?
GhettoNigFabulous Offline
#23 Posted: Fri, Aug 3 2018, 2:07 AM EST
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bgz wrote:
So GNF is a cello off guy?

How many kids you got?



Well....Not only me but Mrs. GhettoNigFabulous likes feeling only a rigid and silky smooth dark claro wrapper. No cello for her either
Pudding Mittens Offline
#24 Posted: Fri, Aug 3 2018, 11:26 AM EST
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GhettoNigFabulous wrote:
Well....Not only me but Mrs. GhettoNigFabulous likes feeling only a rigid and silky smooth dark claro wrapper. No cello for her either

The cello totally kills most of the sensation and makes it pointless. Although I hear the new extra-thin cellos are supposed to be more pleasurable!
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RMAN4443 Offline
#25 Posted: Fri, Aug 3 2018, 11:28 AM EST
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Pudding Mittens wrote:
The cello totally kills most of the sensation and makes it pointless. Although I hear the new extra-thin cellos are supposed to be more pleasurable!
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I heard that they're ribbed for her pleasure...Anxious
tonygraz Offline
#26 Posted: Fri, Aug 3 2018, 3:19 PM EST
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ribs are good - most people like them.
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