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Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, Mar 26 2018, 5:43 PM EST
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The March for Our Lives was big, just not nearly as big as organizers said it was.
Multiple media outlets reported that the Saturday gun-control rally in D.C. drew more than 850,000 protesters, citing march organizers, which would have surpassed the massive 2017 Women’s March by more than 300,000.
The problem is that two separate expert analyses, using aerial imaging and photographs, put the march crowd in the 200,000 range, or about a quarter of the widely touted 850,000 figure.

Digital Design & Imaging Service in Falls Church, Virginia, estimated the peak crowd size at 202,796, with a 15 percent margin of error, according to CBS News.
A separate estimate by a team of research scientists led by G. Keith Still, professor at Manchester Metropolitan University in England, said the crowd was even smaller, pegging the number of protesters at about 180,000, according to the New York Times.
Mr. Still had placed the 2017 Women’s March crowd at the National Mall at about 470,000, which is in line with other estimates showing the number of protesters between 440,000 to 500,000.......

“While Washington, D.C. authorities have yet to give an official estimate, reports published by major news organizations put the crowd size at 850,000 people, which would make it the largest demonstration in the capital’s history,” said the release by 42West, a leading Los Angeles public-relations firm.
Those media reports were based on the organizers’ estimates, including a tweet by March for Our Lives that declared “more than 850,000 marched with us in DC yesterday.”.......

Full report here:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/26/march-our-lives-organizers-inflate-crowd-size-400/
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Yes, I know, everyone does it. Those "news" orginizations with an agenda took the orginizers at their word and published their vasty inflated numbers as fact. Cudos to CBS News and the New York Times for reporting the real numbers.

David
DrMaddVibe Offline
#2 Posted: Mon, Mar 26 2018, 5:50 PM EST
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Grab em by the pu$$y!

Bless their little Tide pod eating hearts.

The first generation to actually hold a demonstration rally to take away their rights!
ZRX1200 Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, Mar 26 2018, 9:08 PM EST
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TAKE MY RIGHTS!!!
jjanecka Offline
#4 Posted: Mon, Mar 26 2018, 10:33 PM EST
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I really hate how the media is exploiting the kids on this protest. It's really disgusting, especially since some schools are suspending kids for not going to the protests.
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#5 Posted: Mon, Mar 26 2018, 11:46 PM EST
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Are you saying that a political activist group exaggerated it's numbers?

I'm shocked. Shocked I say.
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 5:24 AM EST
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Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
Are you saying that a political activist group exaggerated it's numbers?

I'm shocked. Shocked I say.




No, what I'm saying is that most media outlets reported the political activist's grossly exaggerated numbers as FACT.

David (dpnewell)
DrafterX Offline
#7 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 8:35 AM EST
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And they will continue to do so until it becomes the truth... They will also attack anyone who disagrees with them.. gotta remember this was all about the childrens... Mellow
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#8 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 8:53 AM EST
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Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
No, what I'm saying is that most media outlets reported the political activist's grossly exaggerated numbers as FACT.

David (dpnewell)



I'm shocked, just SHOCKED that the media engaged in yellow journalism!
HuckFinn Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 9:13 AM EST
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To me, it wasn't a big deal when Donald over inflated his inauguration #s, and if the media exaggerated #s here, who cares. Not me.
There were a chitload of people marching. In lots of cities.

Pretty impressive.
tailgater Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 9:17 AM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
To me, it wasn't a big deal when Donald over inflated his inauguration #s, and if the media exaggerated #s here, who cares. Not me.
There were a chitload of people marching. In lots of cities.

Pretty impressive.


When the Donald inflated his inauguration figures, the news networks didn't blindly report his bogus numbers.

Now that the message meshes with MSM ideals, the news networks have blindly reported the bogus numbers.

That is the part I have a problem with.
DrafterX Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 9:30 AM EST
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I heard they were all just like the Obamas... Mellow
Speyside Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 10:32 AM EST
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Partisian news reporting has became the norm. The truth would be nice.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 10:35 AM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Pretty impressive.


No, it was down right embarrassing.

Parents have failed their children that's what was on display on the Lawn.

Bunch of Tide pod eating sniveling little snots that demonstrated for someone...anyone to take away their God given rights as an American citizen.

Complete and utter embarrassment.

I can only imagine at how the leadership in N. Korea, China, Russia and Iran reacted watching this, but hey...you're impressed.

It doesn't take much for some people.
ZRX1200 Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 10:38 AM EST
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"We can’t expect the American people to jump from capitalism to communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have communism.

“We do not have to invade the United States, we will destroy you from within.”
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#15 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 10:40 AM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
To me, it wasn't a big deal when Donald over inflated his inauguration #s, and if the media exaggerated #s here, who cares. Not me.
There were a chitload of people marching. In lots of cities.

Pretty impressive.


Yeap, prog teachers have done a great job indoctrinating their students. You should be proud. Who would have thought that Americans would be marching in the streets, demanding that their Constitution rights be done away with?

David (dpnewell)
opelmanta1900 Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 10:41 AM EST
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Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
I'm shocked, just SHOCKED that the media engaged in yellow journalism!


I'll see your shock and raise you a flabbergasted... #notmymedia
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 10:56 AM EST
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In a NYT opinion piece yesterday, retired Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens wrote "They should demand a repeal of the Second Amendment."

Article found here:
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/03/27/former-supreme-court-justice-stevens-repeal-the-second-amendment/23396492/

Also there where photos of protestors carrying "Repeal the 2nd Amendment" signs.

So, after repeating over and over again that "nobody wants to take your guns", some are finally admitting to what this whole movement is all about.

David (dpnewell)
dstieger Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 11:08 AM EST
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By and large, I applaud the kids. Sure, there was some coaching...and some got a bit silly-stupid, drunk with the attention and whatnot.....but most of them were coherent, intelligent, and actually somewhat measured, I thought. As peaceful assembly and protest go, this was mostly well-done.
Buckwheat Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 11:40 AM EST
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Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
In a NYT opinion piece yesterday, retired Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens wrote "They should demand a repeal of the Second Amendment."

Article found here:
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/03/27/former-supreme-court-justice-stevens-repeal-the-second-amendment/23396492/

Also there where photos of protestors carrying "Repeal the 2nd Amendment" signs.

So, after repeating over and over again that "nobody wants to take your guns", some are finally admitting to what this whole movement is all about.

David (dpnewell)


Those **** Republicans!! horse ram27bat
ZRX1200 Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 11:50 AM EST
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Yeah he's a real uber conservative.....
ZRX1200 Offline
#21 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 11:52 AM EST
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Joel, LMMFAO
dstieger Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 11:53 AM EST
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Dude's like 100 years old. Did he 'march'? What was his involvement with the kids?
DrafterX Offline
#23 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 12:34 PM EST
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He was trying to lure them into a van with candy and stuff... Mellow
delta1 Offline
#24 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 1:12 PM EST
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So....if your right interferes with my right, how do we decide which right prevails? Do we go by numerical order priority, as in lowest number must be most important? Or whoever shouts the loudest?


The kids hold the trump card in this game...they're gonna outlive all those who are outraged at them ... but if they become politically active, they will outnumber the ones who condemn them and if they remain united they will be in position to make tough decisions for the nation...their willingness to expand their cause to all gun violence, not just school shootings, seems to have expanded their support....this anger directed at them will harden their resolve...


this may end like the anti-war movement of the 60's and 70's that forced the end of the draft and then the war in Viet Nam...the status quo also dismissed the youth movement then as a subversive fringe...
MACS Offline
#25 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 2:35 PM EST
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The kids are trying to tell the adults what's best.

Yeah, the same generation that eats laundry detergent. This is not quite comical, but I can't help but laugh at it.
victor809 Offline
#26 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 2:42 PM EST
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I've seen this tide pod reference a lot the past 2 days.
Like a whole lot.

It seems every pro-gun response to these kids is "well you eat tide pods, so we don't need to listen to you!".

I'm really baffled by the people who have posted this response. Some of them are theoretically smart people. People I would expect to understand that one set of teens doing something stupid doesn't mean another set of teens is automatically stupid. Our generatiion had jackass... how would you respond if someone told you your opinion on everything was invalid because your generation watched jackass?

Unless someone has video of these particular kids doing the tide challenge, and then protesting guns, it seems like an irrelevant association.

More importantly, and much more frighteningly is how this meme has spread across the "conservative" groups. Is this another russian bot thing?
ZRX1200 Offline
#27 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 2:48 PM EST
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We have video of him saying he wasn't actually there. ...


And now they're smoking bug spray.
MACS Offline
#28 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 2:55 PM EST
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And I've never watched jackass. Idiotic.
victor809 Offline
#29 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 3:13 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
And I've never watched jackass. Idiotic.

That's my point MACS. Not every teen has eaten tide pods on youtube. What percentage of teens do you think have eaten tide pods on youtube? How much overlap would you expect from the group which eats tide pods, and the group which is marching around for political goals?

And we still haven't addressed the oddity that this statistics-poor attempt at disregarding these kids is popping up everywhere all of a sudden.
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#30 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 3:30 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:

And we still haven't addressed the oddity that this statistics-poor attempt at disregarding these kids is popping up everywhere all of a sudden.


Must be big pharma's fault.
dstieger Offline
#31 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 3:32 PM EST
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failure of our birth control system?
HuckFinn Offline
#32 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 3:33 PM EST
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Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
Yeap, prog teachers have done a great job indoctrinating their students. You should be proud. Who would have thought that Americans would be marching in the streets, demanding that their Constitution rights be done away with?

David (dpnewell)

Kids, students aren't protesting. They're begging for their lives!
Grownups have let them down. What did we do to call attention to their being slaughtered
Argue about it on cigar forums? Watch it on tv? We did nothing.

So kids have taken over the reins.
Ridiculous to assume they're all indoctrinated by anything or anyone!
They're scared!! And so what if some of what they say 'seems scripted'?
Isnt that ignoring the obvious? They want change. So would you if you were a student.


And to them, 2nd amendment rights are a small price to pay for their safety.
Sure beats being shot at I guess. Being shot at!

Yeah, I'm proud of them.
They started a conversation that was long overdue.
DrafterX Offline
#33 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 3:46 PM EST
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You guys are assuming every kid in the country was there to oppose guns.. I'd bet the majority of kids would feel better with someone carrying a gun around them... Mellow
xibbumbero Offline
#34 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 3:51 PM EST
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Didn't trump do the same thing regarding his inauguration? X Shame on you
HuckFinn Offline
#35 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 3:55 PM EST
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If repealing the 2nd amendment prevented even a single future mass slaughter I'd be for it.
DrafterX Offline
#36 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 3:57 PM EST
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Until you needed to defend yourself... But I guess if you keep a couple river rocks in your pocket for the rest of your life you might be ok... Mellow
HuckFinn Offline
#37 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 3:59 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Until you needed to defend yourself... But I guess if you keep a couple river rocks in your pocket for the rest of your life you might be ok... Mellow

Protect myself from what, from whom? Somebody with a gun?
DrafterX Offline
#38 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 4:03 PM EST
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Or somebody with a bigger rock... Mellow
HuckFinn Offline
#39 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 4:06 PM EST
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Nobody's got bigger rocks than me.
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#40 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 4:07 PM EST
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"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery" is a translation of a Latin phrase that Thomas Jefferson used: "Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem."

I do not live in a communist country. Nor do I own a gun. But with my last breath I would protect our constitution. Many if not all of our forefathers felt the same way as Thomas Jefferson. They developed an amazing document. The constitution.

Never seek to diminish our rights.
tailgater Offline
#41 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 4:07 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
So....if your right interferes with my right, how do we decide which right prevails? .


Dude.
Don't bogart that.
victor809 Offline
#42 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 4:08 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Kids, students aren't protesting. They're begging for their lives!
Grownups have let them down. What did we do to call attention to their being slaughtered
Argue about it on cigar forums? Watch it on tv? We did nothing.

So kids have taken over the reins.
Ridiculous to assume they're all indoctrinated by anything or anyone!
They're scared!! And so what if some of what they say 'seems scripted'?
Isnt that ignoring the obvious? They want change. So would you if you were a student.


And to them, 2nd amendment rights are a small price to pay for their safety.
Sure beats being shot at I guess. Being shot at!

Yeah, I'm proud of them.
They started a conversation that was long overdue.


Lets not get too hyperbolic here.

There is no "slaughter"...
If they're "begging for their lives" it's because people have scared them into thinking their lives are actually at any nominal amount of risk.

Deaths of teens due to gun violence (even including non "mass shooting events") is not that high statistically.

This statement is just as stupid as MACS's inference that all these kids are eating tide pods.

I have nothing wrong with these kids protesting... but to call it "begging for their lives" is to buy into the nonsense.

Statistically mass shootings are super rare. The kids aren't actually in danger.
DrafterX Offline
#43 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 4:11 PM EST
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Until they put rocks in da classrooms.. then let's try to keep up with rock violence in da schools... Mellow
tailgater Offline
#44 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 4:11 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
If repealing the 2nd amendment prevented even a single future mass slaughter I'd be for it.



We should ban automobiles.
Get rid of them all.
Guaranteed to stop thousands of deaths.
Not even worth a debate.
It's 100% true.
tailgater Offline
#45 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 4:12 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Lets not get too hyperbolic here.

There is no "slaughter"...
If they're "begging for their lives" it's because people have scared them into thinking their lives are actually at any nominal amount of risk.

Deaths of teens due to gun violence (even including non "mass shooting events") is not that high statistically.

This statement is just as stupid as MACS's inference that all these kids are eating tide pods.

I have nothing wrong with these kids protesting... but to call it "begging for their lives" is to buy into the nonsense.

Statistically mass shootings are super rare. The kids aren't actually in danger.


Exactly.
MACS Offline
#46 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 4:15 PM EST
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Let me ask you guys this question?

We had guns in the 70's and 80's when I went to school. We didn't have shootings like we're seeing today. What changed??

It isn't the guns, lemme tell ya... it's the people. Their attitudes, their lack of self control, and their sense of entitlement. It's their peers that are shooting up schools, not gun owners or guns. Perhaps a bit of introspection would help, instead of blaming inanimate objects.
MACS Offline
#47 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 4:19 PM EST
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Victor, please point to where I said they ALL ate tide pods? Their generation is guilty of it... fuh sho. My point is... their not quite mature enough as a generation to be telling the adults what is good for us.
DrafterX Offline
#48 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 4:21 PM EST
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Half the guys I went to school with had deer rifles hanging in their trucks.. Mellow
tailgater Offline
#49 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 4:21 PM EST
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My middle kid (daughter #2) found herself some free time on Saturday and drove into Hyannis for the Cape Cod March.
Before she went she told me she had mixed feelings about it.
Basically, she wants an end to gun violence, but she also thinks that Americans have a right to own guns.

Casa de Tailgater has never been home to a firearm.
D2 has never fired anything not named Wii.
Like most 19 year old she gets most of her "news" from social media.

The event went without incident. D2 didn't have to confront a mindless hypocrite with signs saying to "shoot the NRA".
She got to listen to some music and meet with a few friends.

But she gets it.

EVERYONE wants to end gun violence.
tailgater Offline
#50 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 4:26 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Let me ask you guys this question?

We had guns in the 70's and 80's when I went to school. We didn't have shootings like we're seeing today. What changed??

It isn't the guns, lemme tell ya... it's the people. Their attitudes, their lack of self control, and their sense of entitlement. It's their peers that are shooting up schools, not gun owners or guns. Perhaps a bit of introspection would help, instead of blaming inanimate objects.


In the decade that preceded me at my town's high school, the students who were on the rifle team used to take their rifles onto the school bus each Monday morning. They would carry the rifle through the school hallways into the shooting range. they would lock up their rifle and go to class.
throughout the week they would shoot at the indoor range. In the school.
On friday they would remove the rifle from their locker and carry it through the school hallways and get onto the school bus for the ride home.

My town is halfway between Worcester and Boston. It ain't out in the sticks, so this isn't some hillbilly ritual.

By the time I got to that school it was the Junior High School and the shooting range was an arts and shop wing.



It ain't the guns.
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