America's #1 Online Cigar Auction
first, best, biggest!

Last post 5 years ago by cacman. 101 replies replies.
3 Pages123>
Homeowner’s son kills three would-be burglars with AR-15
cacman Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 07-03-2010
Posts: 12,216
Three would-be robbers were shot and killed Monday when an Oklahoma homeowner’s son opened fire on them with an AR-15, authorities said.

Wagoner County sheriff’s deputies were called to the home in Broken Arrow, southeast of Tulsa, around 12:30 p.m. local time. When they arrived, they found the three dead suspects and two uninjured residents.

Sheriff’s spokesman Deputy Nick Mahoney said the suspects entered the home through a glass back door with the intent to burglarize it. It was not immediately clear why they picked that home.

Mahoney said the suspects encountered the homeowner’s 19-year-old son, who opened fire after an exchange of words. Two of the suspects died in the home’s kitchen while a third was found in the driveway.

It was not immediately clear whether the suspects were armed, but Mahoney said the preliminary investigation indicated the shootings were in self-defense. The homeowner’s son volunteered to give a statement at the sheriff’s office.

“This is very, very unusual for us [in Wagoner County],” Mahoney told the Tulsa World. “It’s not something we’re used to.”

https://nypost.com/2017/03/28/homeowners-son-kills-three-would-be-burglars-with-ar-15/
dstieger Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 06-22-2007
Posts: 10,889
cacman wrote:

It was not immediately clear whether the suspects were armed, but Mahoney said the preliminary investigation indicated the shootings were in self-defense.


More to follow at 11, I hope.
bgz Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 07-29-2014
Posts: 13,023
That's good news!!! Clicked the link and ended up getting click baited into looking at sparkle and duct tape boobs.
dstieger Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 06-22-2007
Posts: 10,889
So...must be an Oklahoma thing, bgz....Drafter comes by it naturally
bgz Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 07-29-2014
Posts: 13,023
We need to get Drafter to post more nipple tape pics then... wait.. not that, never that.
HuckFinn Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 07-10-2017
Posts: 2,044
Wow. An AR-15 in the news in a very positive light!
What are the odds?
It's almost as though...
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 08-23-2014
Posts: 1,373
Hey Huck,
Just for the record, the Texas church shooter was stopped by an evil former NRA instructor using one of those evil AR-15 sporting rifles. FYI.

David (dpnewell)
dstieger Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 06-22-2007
Posts: 10,889
Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
Hey Huck,
Just for the record, the Texas church shooter was stopped by an evil former NRA instructor using one of those evil AR-15 sporting rifles. FYI.

David (dpnewell)


What was the assailant using?
DrafterX Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,508
River rocks... Mellow
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 11-02-2006
Posts: 121,359
Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
Hey Huck,
Just for the record, the Texas church shooter was stopped by an evil former NRA instructor using one of those evil AR-15 sporting rifles. FYI.

David (dpnewell)


After he fired over 400 rounds, killed 26 people, wounded 20 more, and was exiting the building to leave the scene was when he was wounded by the instructor.

He later died of a self inflicted head shot wound after fleeing in a vehicle and traveling a number of miles distance at high speed. He even had time to make a few cellphone calls before crashing his vehicle at high speed, at which point, he committed suicide.

I'm all for responsible ownership, but I'd hardly call that "stopped a shooter"...
HuckFinn Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 07-10-2017
Posts: 2,044
It's clear to me that AR-15s are not evil but also clear that if they weren't out there and available they wouldn't be killing people.

I knew when I posted my skepticism over the motive for this news story invasion that I'd be criticized but cmon, you don't think it's even remotely possible that pro-AR-15 people are on the lookout for a story like this? Doesn't seem a little too coincidental to anyone?

That was my point.
HuckFinn Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 07-10-2017
Posts: 2,044
DrafterX wrote:
River rocks... Mellow

With eyeballs painted on em
Ewok126 Offline
#13 Posted:
Joined: 06-25-2017
Posts: 4,356
HuckFinn wrote:
It's clear to me that AR-15s are not evil but also clear that if they weren't out there and available they wouldn't be killing people.

I knew when I posted my skepticism over the motive for this news story invasion that I'd be criticized but cmon, you don't think it's even remotely possible that pro-AR-15 people are on the lookout for a story like this? Doesn't seem a little too coincidental to anyone?

That was my point.



I am on the lookout for a bunch of chidrens that are Pro-AR15, Then I can send um to DC to protest. Think

I wonder if that would be too coincidental to anyone? Sarcasm
RMAN4443 Offline
#14 Posted:
Joined: 09-29-2016
Posts: 7,683
HuckFinn wrote:
It's clear to me that AR-15s are not evil but also clear that if they weren't out there and available they wouldn't be killing people.

I knew when I posted my skepticism over the motive for this news story invasion that I'd be criticized but cmon, you don't think it's even remotely possible that pro-AR-15 people are on the lookout for a story like this? Doesn't seem a little too coincidental to anyone?

That was my point.

People that want to kill are going to kill with whatever means they have......in the Bible they killed with stones slingshots and crucifixions.......Jeffery Dahmer liked to chop them up and eat them......the Hillside Strangler strangled....the Tsarnev brothers used pressure cookers.......Timothy McVeigh used a rental truck and some fertilizer....crazy people decide they're gonna kill, they'll use whatever works
HuckFinn Offline
#15 Posted:
Joined: 07-10-2017
Posts: 2,044
RMAN4443 wrote:
People that want to kill are going to kill with whatever means they have......in the Bible they killed with stones slingshots and crucifixions.......Jeffery Dahmer liked to chop them up and eat them......the Hillside Strangler strangled....the Tsarnev brothers used pressure cookers.......Timothy McVeigh used a rental truck and some fertilizer....crazy people decide they're gonna kill, they'll use whatever works

Agreed. There are natural born killers among us.
The only point I'm trying to make is make it as hard for them to kill en masse so easily.

There's no comparing a modern automatic weapon for its lethal capability with a slingshot, right?
And trucks and cars are weaponizible sure. Whole other issue though.
Sot one thing at time imo. Have to deep deeply in to this school shooting phenomenon and figure that out. First. Easy access to automatic weapons are just one single element of the larger problem.
Gotta start somewhere.
Phil222 Offline
#16 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2017
Posts: 1,911
HuckFinn wrote:
The only point I'm trying to make is make it as hard for them to kill en masse so easily.


If all we're trying to do is stop the "mass killings" which are a very tiny portion of the overall homicide rate in this country, then I believe there is some data out there that would support more bans and regulations.

If we are trying to stop homicides as a whole, then the reports that I have seen are somewhat undecided. You can look at the handgun ban in the UK and see that it did very little to curb homicide rates. Australia does have some promising numbers, but I have seen studies that state no direct correlation with the regulations. I haven’t spent a lot of time looking, but have yet to find anything that I would call concrete in regards to curbing homicide rates. If someone here has some good data then please share it.

I think a good first step would be to invest some serious resources in studying gun violence and homicides in the U.S. I know that once we give up certain "rights" (dependent upon your interpretation of the 2nd Amendment), it will be very hard to get them back if it turns out we were wrong. I just want to be certain before I throw my support behind any regulations or bans that will affect more law abiding citizens than not.
Phil222 Offline
#17 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2017
Posts: 1,911
And from the news report...it sounds like this kid gunned down three unarmed burglars in his kitchen. Did he really need an AR to accomplish that?
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#18 Posted:
Joined: 08-23-2014
Posts: 1,373
Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
After he fired over 400 rounds, killed 26 people, wounded 20 more, and was exiting the building to leave the scene was when he was wounded by the instructor.

He later died of a self inflicted head shot wound after fleeing in a vehicle and traveling a number of miles distance at high speed. He even had time to make a few cellphone calls before crashing his vehicle at high speed, at which point, he committed suicide.

I'm all for responsible ownership, but I'd hardly call that "stopped a shooter"...



I know, he was hit in the leg and chest with the magical .223 round and didn't die. Shocking, I tell you. If the media and gun grabbers are to be believed, he should have been dead after the first wound to his leg, let alone the chest wound. I have read in the media, and told by many of the ill-informed that the .223 round is some super high powered round that is designed to shread organs on contact. The truth, is that it is medium powered at best, and was actually designed to wound. Hence 400 rounds fired to kill 26.

So, do you really believe that outlawing AR-15s would have stopped this massacre or any of the other shootings where they were used? Anyone with even the slightest amount of firearm experience would know that in the close quarters of a church or classroom, a shotgun and a hundgun or two could produce far more carnage. Don't forget that the Virginia Tech murderer killed 32 and his weapon of choice was a typical handgun. The Navy Yard muderer killed 13 with a typical hunting shotgun, and he didn't have the advantage of a large group of people crowded into a small space, like at a church or classroom. In March, 2014, 29 people where killed and 130 wounded in a mass knife attack at a Chinese train station. On July 14, 2016, 84 people where killed and 120 injured in France by a murderer using a truck as his weapon. In 1995, 168 people where killed and 680 injured by a murder who choose fertilizer as his weapon.

So, since I have shown that an AR-15, nor even a gun, is needed to commit mass murder, why all the screams about outlawing this particular rifle? Could it be that once this rifle is outlawed, the same arguements can be used to outlaw all other semi-auto rifles? That the same arguement could be used to then outlaw all semi-auto hanguns, and eventually all revolvers, and then all pump actions, and then all lever actions, and then all bolt actions, etc. etc.?

Believe me. Many in power, and their pawns the media and gun grabbers. won't be happy until the US Citizen is nothing more then a helpless, defenseless, unarmed slave. Any who thinks this whole thing has to do with just one model of rifle is blind.

David (dpnewell)
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#19 Posted:
Joined: 11-02-2006
Posts: 121,359
Dave,

I never called for an outlawing or restriction.

I just called you on your bs exaggeration. Stuff like that and your TV lawyer sthick won't help your position.

And, since you apparently missed it the first time, despite being made succinctly clear, I'm perfectly fine with responsible adults owning whatever firearm they want.
teedubbya Offline
#20 Posted:
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
Gerbil what you actually say isn’t relevant. You said you hated guns and want the 2nd amendment rights not only taken away but those that previously excersized those rights jailed.

And because that is what you think that means you are a moron that has been manipulated by others as opposed to all the free thinkers in here who are too intelligent to be manipulated (that’s reserved only for folks that disagree with us). And for all of that you should be ashamed and may god have mercy on your big dumb soul.

DrafterX Offline
#21 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,508
OhMyGod
tailgater Offline
#22 Posted:
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
Phil222 wrote:
And from the news report...it sounds like this kid gunned down three unarmed burglars in his kitchen. Did he really need an AR to accomplish that?


Phil22 to son:
If you ever encounter 3 intruders in our house, first ask if they have a weapon. If they do, then make sure you arm yourself with just enough firepower to do the job.
If they have knives, ask the blade length.
If they are unarmed then ask how much they can bench press, or if they know karate.


DrafterX Offline
#23 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,508
There was funky Billy Chin and little Sammy Chung...
He said here comes the big boss, let's get it on
We took a bow and made a stand, started swinging with the hand
The sudden motion made me skip now we're into a brand knew trip...

Laugh
tailgater Offline
#24 Posted:
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
Well, everybody WAS doing it...

ZRX1200 Offline
#25 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,476
And people NEVER miss....and multiple intruders always stand still when confronted.......and those 10 round or less mags the grabbers are OK with (for now) sure help your odds of success.
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#26 Posted:
Joined: 11-02-2006
Posts: 121,359
teedubbya wrote:
Gerbil what you actually say isn’t relevant. You said you hated guns and want the 2nd amendment rights not only taken away but those that previously excersized those rights jailed.

And because that is what you think that means you are a moron that has been manipulated by others as opposed to all the free thinkers in here who are too intelligent to be manipulated (that’s reserved only for folks that disagree with us). And for all of that you should be ashamed and may god have mercy on your big dumb soul.




True, true. I should probably just move to San Francisco with Victor.
teedubbya Offline
#27 Posted:
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
A simple I’m sorry would have sufficed.
teedubbya Offline
#28 Posted:
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
Hey z, I could be wrong but my understanding is the Florida school shooter used.....

10 round mags.

Phil222 Offline
#29 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2017
Posts: 1,911
tailgater wrote:
Phil22 to son:
If you ever encounter 3 intruders in our house, first ask if they have a weapon. If they do, then make sure you arm yourself with just enough firepower to do the job.
If they have knives, ask the blade length.
If they are unarmed then ask how much they can bench press, or if they know karate.


I never said any of that. I thought my question was pretty clear. I asked if it was possible to gundown three unarmed people without an AR?
teedubbya Offline
#30 Posted:
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
It doesn’t matter what you really say.

Duh.
Phil222 Offline
#31 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2017
Posts: 1,911
I guess not...Cool
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#32 Posted:
Joined: 11-02-2006
Posts: 121,359
teedubbya wrote:
A simple I’m sorry would have sufficed.


I'm sorry.
teedubbya Offline
#33 Posted:
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
Your apology is accepted
ZRX1200 Offline
#34 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,476
I don't know, but I'm pretty sure he had pulled the fire alarm......

Pretty sure the burglars dad didn't work for Cubic Simulations Systems either. We can rabbit hole if you wanna dig bro. My shovel is sharp and my will is strong.
teedubbya Offline
#35 Posted:
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
My point was that limiting to 10 round mags wouldn’t have made a difference.

I try to be open minded and was actually considering that issue. I actually discussed it with the brother of one of the FL school victims.

His comment was something to the effect of the guy that put 3 rounds in his brothers chest was only using 10 round magazines. Since you can change magazines so quickly capacity doesn’t matter much.

I didn’t verify if they were really 10 round mags but have no reason to question him.
ZRX1200 Offline
#36 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,476
I think they were, I had heard something about it.
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#37 Posted:
Joined: 08-23-2014
Posts: 1,373
Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
Dave,

I never called for an outlawing or restriction.

I just called you on your bs exaggeration. Stuff like that and your TV lawyer sthick won't help your position.

And, since you apparently missed it the first time, despite being made succinctly clear, I'm perfectly fine with responsible adults owning whatever firearm they want.



Sorry TG, my apology. I miss read the tone of your reply, but having read it again, I understand your point, and am again offering an apology. With that said, most of my rant was not directly meant for you, but for some of the others here who are calling for the banning of certain firearms. I should have separated it into 2 distinct replies.

David (dpnewell)
HuckFinn Offline
#38 Posted:
Joined: 07-10-2017
Posts: 2,044
A lot of apologizing in this thread.

What is this site coming to.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#39 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,301
HuckFinn wrote:
Gotta start somewhere.



Let's try something really radical then. Something that we haven't done. Let's work on mental health.

That's the issue that binds all of these mass killings.

After the Parkdale shooting...how many witnesses came forward..."He said he was gonna shoot the place up", "He was a disturbed individual", "Everyone knew he was going to do this" comments. Neighbors, parents, cops, teachers, guidance counselors...on and on and on. If there was that many accounts to an event about to happen...and they don't just snap. They work up to it. Then the signs were missed. This kid might've been able to be helped. Not all of them can but at the rate this is happening there's got to be events that were missed where he could've been saved.

I'm not a doctor, nor do I profess to be one. I'm not a psychiatrist nor psychologist. Looks like he could've used one though. Years ago.

Instead, lets keep on this narrative where we need MORE legislation and LESS guns. That's worked out sooooo damned swimmingly so far.
teedubbya Offline
#40 Posted:
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
All I know is it must be one thing or another. It can never involve multiple things or compromise of any form. There must be a total win. Compromise is evil.
DrafterX Offline
#41 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,508
FBI was aware.. local cops were aware.. social workers were aware... His guardians played dumb... It wasn't the gun laws that failed... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
#42 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,301
DrafterX wrote:
FBI was aware.. local cops were aware.. social workers were aware... His guardians played dumb... It wasn't the gun laws that failed... Mellow



This particular kid wasn't put into any system because the Broward coward was intent on just lowering crime statistics and getting rewarded for doing so! No law on the books now was going to ever work because the law enforcement failed to do their job.
HuckFinn Offline
#43 Posted:
Joined: 07-10-2017
Posts: 2,044
DrMaddVibe wrote:
Let's try something really radical then. Something that we haven't done. Let's work on mental health.

That's the issue that binds all of these mass killings.

After the Parkdale shooting...how many witnesses came forward..."He said he was gonna shoot the place up", "He was a disturbed individual", "Everyone knew he was going to do this" comments. Neighbors, parents, cops, teachers, guidance counselors...on and on and on. If there was that many accounts to an event about to happen...and they don't just snap. They work up to it. Then the signs were missed. This kid might've been able to be helped. Not all of them can but at the rate this is happening there's got to be events that were missed where he could've been saved.

I'm not a doctor, nor do I profess to be one. I'm not a psychiatrist nor psychologist. Looks like he could've used one though. Years ago.

Instead, lets keep on this narrative where we need MORE legislation and LESS guns. That's worked out sooooo damned swimmingly so far.

More shrinks, absolutely agree. Cut back on the violence on tv, in movies and video games too. More awareness and intervention regarding bullying. Keeping a more watchful eye on kids experimenting with substances. Anything and everthing that looks like a cause, address.
But sorry, but more gun regulations too. Kids shouldn't have easy access to guns.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#44 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,301
HuckFinn wrote:
More shrinks, absolutely agree. Cut back on the violence on tv, in movies and video games too. More awareness and intervention regarding bullying. Keeping a more watchful eye on kids experimenting with substances. Anything and everthing that looks like a cause, address.
But sorry, but more gun regulations too. Kids shouldn't have easy access to guns.


I was always a fan of Alfred Hitchcock's work. TV and movies. Now we have "The Walking Dead" and "The Devil's Rejects". Used to be your mind did all the work...a door opens...a shadow is visible...a scream is heard...the door closes...that kinda stuff. Now we have a bicycle kickstand being rammed into a zombie's head or a chainsaw being thrust through a cheerleader's midsection. NOTHING left to the imagination. Same case can be used for video games I suppose but isn't that why we play them? We're already supposed to be bought in with the Wily E. Coyote vs ACME mindset that it's not real and won't hurt.

I'm keyed on the mental health angle because it's never been tried. In the 80's we shut down facilities that housed people with conditions and just put them on the streets. Not our most glorious moment as a nation. Some people need medications, counseling...maybe both and some people aren't supposed to be in general population because they want to wear your face or think you're the Devil.

It's not going to be a flip the switch and we're fixed issue either. Just ignoring it and letting people self-medicate isn't working out so well either.
HuckFinn Offline
#45 Posted:
Joined: 07-10-2017
Posts: 2,044
Phil222 wrote:


If someone here has some good data then please share it.

I think a good first step would be to invest some serious resources in studying gun violence and homicides in the U.S.


Two links from another thread I thought were pretty informative:

https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/these-states-have-the-most-restrictive-gun-laws-in-america.html/?a=viewall

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/21/17028930/gun-violence-us-statistics-charts
Ewok126 Offline
#46 Posted:
Joined: 06-25-2017
Posts: 4,356
I agree DMV, I remember touring Braunton Mental Asylum In North Carolina where they housed mentally ill to the criminally insane. In speaking with the director this was a major concern back then due to the lack of federal funding and federal legislation. They were only allowed to hold people for a very very short period of time because of this. The outcome was exactly that, the patients was then put out on the streets on a psychotropic cocktail of meds and no therapy to go with it. This ends up in a never ending spiral because one: the patient can't afford a home much less meds or therapy. Two: they on the streets for a month till the meds run out or they quit taking them and the next thing you know they flip chit and this time they not in as a patient they in with the criminally insane. I have seen it more times than I have fingers and toes.

What breaks my heart is I have met and spoke with a lot of these folks and they are good people that just needed help. They just get kicked to the side and forgotten about and left to rot because no one wants to deal or even be around such people due to the stigma that comes along with it.
Phil222 Offline
#47 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2017
Posts: 1,911
HuckFinn wrote:
Two links from another thread I thought were pretty informative:

https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/these-states-have-the-most-restrictive-gun-laws-in-america.html/?a=viewall

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/21/17028930/gun-violence-us-statistics-charts


It seems like the main point articles like this try to make is that less guns equal less gun homicides. I do not dispute that.

What I'm concerned with are homicide rates as a whole.

Is there data available that shows homicide rates dropping after the implementation of stricter gun laws?

If yes, are those lower rates directly in response to the implementation of those regulations?

If yes again, do those lower rates warrant such regulations?

And I'm in no way saying that we should do nothing, just that we should make informed decisions. Funding for various solutions can always be taken away if there is no improvement. Getting "gun rights" back will be much more difficult.
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#48 Posted:
Joined: 11-02-2006
Posts: 121,359
Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
Sorry TG, my apology. I miss read the tone of your reply, but having read it again, I understand your point, and am again offering an apology. With that said, most of my rant was not directly meant for you, but for some of the others here who are calling for the banning of certain firearms. I should have separated it into 2 distinct replies.

David (dpnewell)


All good brother. Thank you.
teedubbya Offline
#49 Posted:
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
The proper reply is your apology is accepted.

Noobs.
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#50 Posted:
Joined: 11-02-2006
Posts: 121,359
I'm sorry
Users browsing this topic
Guest
3 Pages123>