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Italian Tobacco
Prime Offline
#1 Posted:
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I had the pleasure of smoking an Oliveros El Padrino Lucky Lou.(Most didn't like them, hey to each is own, I don't like Cohiba)
Trying to find them (discontinued in 2007/8)
recommended:

https://www..com/cigar/cigars-full-list/bohemian-original-brazilian.html

https://www..com/cigar/cigars-full-list/kristoff-gc-signature-series.html

https://www..com/cigar/cigars-full-list/gurkha-private-reserve.html

But without the Italian Tobacco I doubt any of them will be close.

What sticks do any of you know of that have Italian Tobacco?
ZRX1200 Offline
#2 Posted:
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Multiple competitor references.


And the wrappers are schittily DYED.
Ewok126 Offline
#3 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Multiple competitor references.


And the wrappers are schittily DYED.


Man, them are worse than the pissyily dyed, and they smell worse. Gonz
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 11-02-2006
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Prime wrote:


What sticks do any of you know of that have Italian Tobacco?


Parodi. Have fun with that.

Italian grown cigar tobacco is pretty much garbage. Pipe tobacco is decent though.
HuckFinn Offline
#5 Posted:
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Prime wrote:


What sticks do any of you know of that have Italian Tobacco?


Manicotti?
frankj1 Offline
#6 Posted:
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I seem to recall a blend from CAO years ago, maybe the Italia or some such name.
HuckFinn Offline
#7 Posted:
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Toscano cigars are made in Italy. Made of fermented Kentucky tobacco.
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#8 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
I seem to recall a blend from CAO years ago, maybe the Italia or some such name.


It's still made, and still available here.

https://www.cigarbid.com..._LineName.raw=CAO+Italia

I tried a couple a few years back. Didn't do anything for me.

David (dpnewell)
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#9 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:
Toscano cigars are made in Italy. Made of fermented Kentucky tobacco.


Nothing screams Italian like "imported from Kentucky".
danmdevries Offline
#10 Posted:
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Guinea Stinkers?
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#11 Posted:
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Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
Nothing screams Italian like "imported from Kentucky".


Grown by 3rd generation Kentucky Italians?

David
midmofan Offline
#12 Posted:
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https://i.pinimg.com/736x/0f/94/89/0f9489c80994d3b1533dc437281f253f--funny-signs-kentucky.jpg
HuckFinn Offline
#13 Posted:
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Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
Grown by 3rd generation Kentucky Italians?

David

Not the banjo player, but the mandolin player in the bluegrass band.
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#14 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:
Not the banjo player, but the mandolin player in the bluegrass band.

I think that's FGM.
Pudding Mittens Offline
#15 Posted:
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Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
Parodi. Have fun with that.

Parodis are 100% American tobacco, no Italian tobacco. They're just made in the Italian Toscano style.

Source: personal tour of the Avanti Cigar company factory led by its president, and the very interesting information he said along the way.

The tobaccos are fire-cured for a smoky taste. No, Jonathan Drew DID NOT invent the concept of using American fire-cured tobacco in cigars; the Avanti company and others have been doing it for over a century.

Some other fun tidbits he shared:

The founder was an Italian immigrant who spoke little English, so he had to get an interpreter to speak to an American lawyer about the formalities of forming the business. The lawyer said one of the requirements was that he needed a company seal, and due to a translation error, the Italian founder thought the lawyer meant a LITERAL seal, so the company seal has an actual seal (the animal) on it. They've kept it to the present day, just because it's so damned funny.

Parodi, De Nobili and Petri are the EXACT SAME product in all respects, absolutely zero difference except for the name and graphics on the boxes. They all come off the same line, from the same machines, made with the same tobaccos. So, why have three names? Because formerly, they were three separate companies (and thus actually slightly different cigars) before Avanti bought them all out, and older smokers living in different markets had formed different allegiances to the three brand names. They kept the three names, even though the product is now identical, to keep sales up. Avanti found that many smokers would say stuff like, "I'm a Parodi man, I wouldn't touch a De Nobili, they're garbage!" and the like, even though they'd been utterly identical for decades by that point. Amusing and insightful anecdote about consumer psychology.

They have an aging room that the president challenged any of us to simply stand in for 60 seconds or more. Just stand there. Only one guy in our tour group could do it, and just barely. The walls are lined with thousands of cigars all giving off ammonia, and it's nearly impossible to breathe in there without having coughing and wheezing fits and running desperately for the exit to get some clean air again.

The aforementioned lines, while made of fire-cured tobacco, don't have any flavorings added. Their self-titled "Avanti" line of cigars, however, are (very strongly) anisette flavored. The president said that a bunch of little old ladies have little paintbrushes and brush the flavoring liquid on the outside of every cigar by hand. We thought this was funny, until we reached that room. He wasn't kidding.

Good times!
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jjanecka Offline
#16 Posted:
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Interesting story
tailgater Offline
#17 Posted:
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Two words:
Clint Eastwood.

Pudding Mittens Offline
#18 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Two words:
Clint Eastwood.


Yup, if I remember right, Toscano-style were the cigars he smoked in his famous "Spaghetti Westerns".

The Avanti products I mention above have nationwide distribution, or at least I think so. Also I know "the mothership" sells them, along with other online cigar sites. Try them, they're cheap, so it's a cheap experiment. You may be very surprised indeed.

The president of the company sent a big box of them to Rush Limbaugh some years ago. Rush is a big cigar guy and has more money than God, so he can smoke the finest cigars on Earth all day long, and financially it'd be barely a rounding error to him. Despite that, he spent several minutes on his show praising these little 50-cent cigars, and I understand why.

Bonus: they don't need a humidor. They're designed to be dry. This is good because they'll definitely leave a scent in any humidor you put them in, due to the fire-cured tobacco.

Don't try the self-titled "Avanti" line unless you REALLY REALLY FRIGGIN' LOVE anisette flavor and smell. You've been warned. They're intensely anisette. They'll fill an entire room with heavy anisette smell. And for the love of God and all things holy, DO NOT EVER put them in a humidor, unless you want it to be forever transformed into a dedicated humidor for this cigar only.

"RamRod" is their bourbon-flavored line, much MUCH less intensity of the flavor though. But if you just want fire-cured natural flavor, stick to any of the identical triplets: Parodi, De Nobili, Petri. They only differ in length, just choose your preferred vitola and go.

Clarification: all their cigars are made of the same fire-cured tobacco, the RamRod and Avanti just have extra flavorings brushed on after production. So you get the fire-cured goodness no matter which you smoke, it's just a "added flavorings or not" question.
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frankj1 Offline
#19 Posted:
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Pudding Mittens wrote:
Parodis are 100% American tobacco, no Italian tobacco. They're just made in the Italian Toscano style.

Source: personal tour of the Avanti Cigar company factory led by its president, and the very interesting information he said along the way.

The tobaccos are fire-cured for a smoky taste. No, Jonathan Drew DID NOT invent the concept of using American fire-cured tobacco in cigars; the Avanti company and others have been doing it for over a century.

Some other fun tidbits he shared:

The founder was an Italian immigrant who spoke little English, so he had to get an interpreter to speak to an American lawyer about the formalities of forming the business. The lawyer said one of the requirements was that he needed a company seal, and due to a translation error, the Italian founder thought the lawyer meant a LITERAL seal, so the company seal has an actual seal (the animal) on it. They've kept it to the present day, just because it's so damned funny.

Parodi, De Nobili and Petri are the EXACT SAME product in all respects, absolutely zero difference except for the name and graphics on the boxes. They all come off the same line, from the same machines, made with the same tobaccos. So, why have three names? Because formerly, they were three separate companies (and thus actually slightly different cigars) before Avanti bought them all out, and older smokers living in different markets had formed different allegiances to the three brand names. They kept the three names, even though the product is now identical, to keep sales up. Avanti found that many smokers would say stuff like, "I'm a Parodi man, I wouldn't touch a De Nobili, they're garbage!" and the like, even though they'd been utterly identical for decades by that point. Amusing and insightful anecdote about consumer psychology.

They have an aging room that the president challenged any of us to simply stand in for 60 seconds or more. Just stand there. Only one guy in our tour group could do it, and just barely. The walls are lined with thousands of cigars all giving off ammonia, and it's nearly impossible to breathe in there without having coughing and wheezing fits and running desperately for the exit to get some clean air again.

The aforementioned lines, while made of fire-cured tobacco, don't have any flavorings added. Their self-titled "Avanti" line of cigars, however, are (very strongly) anisette flavored. The president said that a bunch of little old ladies have little paintbrushes and brush the flavoring liquid on the outside of every cigar by hand. We thought this was funny, until we reached that room. He wasn't kidding.

Good times!
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we actually covered this material a while ago. I think you were on sabbatical.
growing up, me and the boys used to smoke the Parodis, somewhere along the way we came to believe that the Parodi Seal was the Seal of Approval...a real parody, if you will.






GhettoNigFabulous Offline
#20 Posted:
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I really enjoy a Parodi cigar with a cup of coffee.

I like that they are totally different than handmade cigars. I think they give you a good image also. Like a rustic cowboy or a 1920's Italian gangster
RMAN4443 Offline
#21 Posted:
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GhettoNigFabulous wrote:
I really enjoy a Parodi cigar with a cup of coffee.

I like that they are totally different than handmade cigars. I think they give you a good image also. Like a rustic cowboy or a 1920's Italian gangster


a Thompson sub machine gun can give you that look tooAnxious
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