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What exactly does he want?
victor809 Offline
#1 Posted:
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So the moron-in-chief tweets this...

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
The big Caravan of People from Honduras, now coming across Mexico and heading to our “Weak Laws” Border, had better be stopped before it gets there. Cash cow NAFTA is in play, as is foreign aid to Honduras and the countries that allow this to happen. Congress MUST ACT NOW!

3:49 AM - Apr 3, 2018

What do you think he's asking be done?
Congress can't "act" while it's not in the USA... short of declaring war.
Honduras can't "act" if it's in Mexico.
Mexico can "act"... but what does he want them to do? Illegally detain people because they are planning on going to the us border and asking for asylum?

This f-ing moron of a president needs to stop making these completely unconsidered statements. He sounds like a child just demanding from the world that things be done his way... without considering how it would happen.
MACS Offline
#2 Posted:
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I don't know... maybe he wants Mexico to not allow the refugees through their border, so they can't get to ours?

But it is asking a lot. Especially from a country who obviously doesn't recognize our borders in the first place.
victor809 Offline
#3 Posted:
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.... the people are legally in Mexico.
dstieger Offline
#4 Posted:
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not all of them have been legally in Mexico...some have been sent back...


As to what the president wants? Doesn't seem to difficult to figure out -

He doesn't really care if Mexico does anything about those in Mexico legally. Once some get to the border and try to enter illegally, it will be a highly successful circus show for Trump supporters as jumpers and runners get turned back. (Hopefully, none of the Runners will get terminated 'Logan's Run' style and provide a road bump in the news cycle.) Some seeking asylum will be admitted and demonstrate the compassion of the administration towards the downtrodden, persecuted immigrants. This is simply an opportunity for Trump to exercise a little muscle, even if illusory, and twist Pena Nieto's arm a little for better negotiating position on NAFTA rewrite. AND its an opportunity to poke Dems (and R's) for letting Dreamers continue to sweat.
victor809 Offline
#5 Posted:
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Mexico dealt with the ones which weren't supposed to be there.

Let's break down the situation...
There are people in Mexico from honduras traveling towards the USA. They are 800miles away, traveling by foot, with children... so probably a month away at that rate.
They are legally in mexico.
They have expressed a desire to seek asylum from the USA.

Why is this a thing? If we don't want them, when they make it to the border we say "no" and they're Mexico's problem.

But no... the orange moron has to tweet about everything... he has to show to the whole world that he has no clue what is going on, and dammit he's gonna act the most forceful about it.... whatever it is.

I can't understand how anyone could not see through him to the ridiculous blustering moron he is.
dstieger Offline
#6 Posted:
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He may be be a ridiculous blustering moron, but he's President Ridiculous Blustering Moron, and his tweets, and even mindless threats carry a certain weight whether you like it or not. The guy tends to get his way a lot of the time -- and if he thinks this is how to get get a leg up on Mexico in NAFTA negotiations, he may well be right --- Taking Trump at face value and mocking him might get you on MSNBC, but if think you are asking honest questions about wanting to understand his motives or intent, there might be more than one ridiculous blustering moron
HuckFinn Offline
#7 Posted:
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What exactly he wants seems to depend on the last conversation he's had.
dstieger Offline
#8 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:
What exactly he wants seems to depend on the last conversation he's had.


Not necessarily. He doesn't limit himself that way. It might also depend on whatever someone on Fox News said he should want.
victor809 Offline
#9 Posted:
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Dsteig... making false claims or irrelevant claims isn't going to "give him a leg up on mexico"... if Mexico and the rest of the world doesn't think he knows what he's talking about, they'll likely ignore him.
So far the only people who appear to believe him belong to a subset that voted for him in the first place.

This seems... dumb. It also appears to be blowing even more political capital...
dstieger Offline
#10 Posted:
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I roll my eyes at 99% of what he says/tweets, also. But, I think that you're wrong -- I think his 'adversaries' and 'counterparts' do end up bending towards what he think he wants much of the time. Doesn't matter if its EU, or Beijing....Fatty Fat or Saudi Princes....even Putin, perhaps.....if we're able to look back objectively in a few years, we might find that despite ignorant seeming words and actions, he ends up a lot closer to his objective than we ever imagined he might....

I was first to rail against the 'wall', but he may even get that...or at least enough pieces to declare a victory...still don't think Mexico is going to pay, though.....maybe charge those caravan-ers a toll to cross and use the tolls to pay for the wall....hmmm
jjanecka Offline
#11 Posted:
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Why don't they just pay the cartels to "clean them up?"
MACS Offline
#12 Posted:
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dstieger wrote:
He may be be a ridiculous blustering moron, but he's President Ridiculous Blustering Moron, and his tweets, and even mindless threats carry a certain weight whether you like it or not. The guy tends to get his way a lot of the time -- and if he thinks this is how to get get a leg up on Mexico in NAFTA negotiations, he may well be right --- Taking Trump at face value and mocking him might get you on MSNBC, but if think you are asking honest questions about wanting to understand his motives or intent, there might be more than one ridiculous blustering moron


Point, counterpoint... I'm giving Dave the point, here. Mostly because he made a lucid argument instead of just going with everyone else's program of complaining about Trump.
victor809 Offline
#13 Posted:
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Just because he isn't complaining about Trump doesn't make him... "right" macs...

That's like saying I'm automatically right just for not going along with people's complaining about hank. And as we learned from the other thread I was very very wrong...
jjanecka Offline
#14 Posted:
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To be fair, I've never seen/read hitchiker's guide to the galaxy. Though it has been mentioned enough times already that I probably should have.
victor809 Offline
#15 Posted:
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Dammit...

I just cant...

...i don't even know who you are anymore.
jjanecka Offline
#16 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Dammit...

I just cant...

...i don't even know who you are anymore.


Angel
teedubbya Offline
#17 Posted:
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I’m no fan of President Embarrasment but I tend to go simple when it gets to this Fuch. Forget Honduras. He wants the border stronger to stop all illegals. He’s using Honduran immigrants as the boogey man this time.

I’m for a stronger border by the way. I say we plant dolt 45 scarecrows every few feet. For realism and to scare folks away maybe they should be grabbing towards genitalia while puckering lips.
jjanecka Offline
#18 Posted:
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Vic, I just rented the movie from google.
victor809 Offline
#19 Posted:
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.....goddammit.

I hate this generation.


Read the book!
victor809 Offline
#20 Posted:
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Fyi... both movies based off this book were terrible.
jjanecka Offline
#21 Posted:
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I don't have time for two hour movies let alone 20 hour books.
victor809 Offline
#22 Posted:
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Then spend less time on dumb cigar forums!

Sigh....


Sorry...

jjanecka Offline
#23 Posted:
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I can flip through this while doing other crap though.
HuckFinn Offline
#24 Posted:
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I don't think Trump knows what he wants. Except for the stupid wall.
I suspect he wants to appear strong and smart too.
Worst of all, what he wants changes from day to day.

Of course he gets friends and foes to bend in his direction.
He's top dog of the most powerful country in the world.
That just makes him a successful bully. Not a strategist.

Without seeing a serious, consistent message or agenda from him, I don't trust him.
And for all we know his bravado succeeds in the short run only.
And we've just been lucky so far as regards Iran and N. Korea

Only time will tell.
jjanecka Offline
#25 Posted:
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That more recent movie was pretty good in conaprison to some of the other space novelty crap like Spaceballs et al. I see there was a TV show; not sure if I should get into that or not.

Thanks for the heads up Vic. Stellar movie, I can see how it would have been a much better book.
ZRX1200 Offline
#26 Posted:
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As a super huge mega donor I get vast access, I told him Victor doesn't actually smoke cigars only pole. So he suggested twitter to give him a coronary.

You're welcome cbid.

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tailgater Offline
#27 Posted:
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I KNEW It!!!!


teedubbya Offline
#28 Posted:
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He refused to smoke my pole. I was a little schwetty though.
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#29 Posted:
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Victor asked "What exactly does he want?" Could it be that this is what he wanted all along?


Quote:
President Trump signed an order Wednesday deploying National Guard troops to the U.S.-Mexico border to boost security while he pressures Congress to deliver more resources to build his wall, hire more Border Patrol agents and make it easier to deport new illegal immigrants.
Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen said it’s too early to know how many troops will be sent, what their exact role will be or how much it will cost, but she suggested it would likely be along the lines of deployments by Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama, who sent the National Guard to assist in intelligence-gathering, construction and surveillance.
The move came just as the government announced the latest numbers showing illegal immigration leaped 200 percent in March compared with a year earlier. It is the largest increase in records dating back to 2011, and it suggests illegal immigration is quickly rising back to the heights of the Obama administration.
Ms. Nielsen said National Guard troops could be on the border immediately, though exact timing would depend on when the White House could strike agreements with governors.
Perhaps just as big was the White House announcement that Mr. Trump will pursue a new immigration debate on Capitol Hill. Unlike the February debate, which centered on legalizing illegal immigrants, this one will focus on stiffening enforcement by attempting to close loopholes that smugglers and illegal immigrants have seized on to “game” the system.

Rest of the story here: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/4/trump-sign-order-deploying-national-guard-border/

HuckFinn Offline
#30 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
So the moron-in-chief tweets this...

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
The big Caravan of People from Honduras, now coming across Mexico and heading to our “Weak Laws” Border, had better be stopped before it gets there. Cash cow NAFTA is in play, as is foreign aid to Honduras and the countries that allow this to happen. Congress MUST ACT NOW!

3:49 AM - Apr 3, 2018

What do you think he's asking be done?
Congress can't "act" while it's not in the USA... short of declaring war.
Honduras can't "act" if it's in Mexico.
Mexico can "act"... but what does he want them to do? Illegally detain people because they are planning on going to the us border and asking for asylum?

This f-ing moron of a president needs to stop making these completely unconsidered statements. He sounds like a child just demanding from the world that things be done his way... without considering how it would happen.

Just shut up and do it.
JadeRose Offline
#31 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
.....goddammit.

I hate this generation.


Read the book!





The "Dirk Gently" books are better. Just sayin....
victor809 Offline
#32 Posted:
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I think I read the holistic detective books.... but can't remember for the life of me any of it... maybe I should reread.
Did you see the BBC series based on dirk gently? First season was fun.
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