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delta1 Offline
#1 Posted:
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Trump's personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, was served search warrants by the FBI in cooperation with the US Attorney's Office in Southern New York. Search warrants were served at his residences and offices in New York, with possible evidence of money laundering, fraud and campaign finance law violations the targets.

Special Counsel Mueller uncovered potential evidence of criminal conduct, but this matter was beyond the scope of his investigation, so he referred it to the US AG/DOJ, who then passed it on to the US attorney of New York.

Ruh roh...
Brewha Offline
#2 Posted:
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And...TrumpelThinSkin says the FBI has made “an attack on America”.......
frankj1 Offline
#3 Posted:
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the smart play is to not comment at all.
The court of public opinion has no say in this.
HuckFinn Offline
#4 Posted:
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Looks like the chit and the fan are on a collision course
HuckFinn Offline
#5 Posted:
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Oh, was I not supposed to say anything?

frankj1 Offline
#6 Posted:
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#3 for Trump, not Huck.
banderl Offline
#7 Posted:
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It's a witch hunt!
rfenst Offline
#8 Posted:
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I find great irony that Trump is being sued over a written contract he never signed and claims he never paid consideration for. What a circus.
jw517 Offline
#9 Posted:
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Witch hunt? Sober up.
delta1 Offline
#10 Posted:
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Another irony: Trump personally interviewed and then appointed the US Attorney in southern NY... the same US Attorney who reviewed the evidence and decided there was probable cause that the crimes occurred and had to approve the affidavits to the federal court for the search warrants.
victor809 Offline
#11 Posted:
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I don't know if he actually reviewed the docs. He's since recused himself from the investigation.
delta1 Offline
#12 Posted:
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whoops...I 'm a victim of fake news...apologies for my alternative fact that Trump's own man dimed him out...wonder if they'll ever make public the affidavit for the search warrants, so we can see who in the US Atty's office signed it...

Fact: Cohen's public words and behavior are real...
dstieger Offline
#13 Posted:
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I certainly hope that the suspected criminal activity is 'significant' -- pretty heavy-handed stuff for anything less than serious felony-type activity, IMO. But, at least it has been educational....I learned a lot about attorney/client-privilege the last couple days....I watched enough tv law drama, from Matlock to Breaking Bad to have believed that it was pretty sacrosanct -- turns out...well, not so much -- risk to Trump has jumped a couple notches, and I'm not convinced that's entirely fair just yet
delta1 Offline
#14 Posted:
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yup, it'll be interesting what, if any, criminal charges result...

Campaign finance laws are considered pretty significant...there have been a few elected officials in CA recently who've been thrown out of office and charged criminally for violating those regs...

Speyside Offline
#15 Posted:
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What attorney client privilege Dave? Both Trump and Cohen both insist Trump knew nothing about the payoff. Also Trump did not sign the document.
dstieger Offline
#16 Posted:
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Who said anything about payoff?

Cohen has one client, AFAIK, the Donald. Raid of two offices and two residences leads me to believe that something relating to Trump will have been collected....no?

My understanding always had been that most (nearly all?) communications between attorney (Cohen) and client (Trump) were privileged, and thus protected from use in prosecutions of the client. Reading I've done the last day or two (prompted by this news) learns me different....things just got escalated for Trump
frankj1 Offline
#17 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
What attorney client privilege Dave? Both Trump and Cohen both insist Trump knew nothing about the payoff. Also Trump did not sign the document.

I've been thinking about that unsigned thing...

one side says he didn't have to sign the nondisclosure agreement for it to be enforcible.
but they also say it shows the Prez didn't know about the nondisclosure agreement.

so who hired the attorney that wrote it on behalf of the client that did not sign it, did not know about it, yet wants it enforced?
rfenst Offline
#18 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
...wonder if they'll ever make public the affidavit for the search warrants, so we can see who in the US Atty's office signed it...


They will be part of the court file if a criminal case is filed.
rfenst Offline
#19 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
I've been thinking about that unsigned thing...

one side says he didn't have to sign the nondisclosure agreement for it to be enforcible.
but they also say it shows the Prez didn't know about the nondisclosure agreement.

so who hired the attorney that wrote it on behalf of the client that did not sign it, did not know about it, yet wants it enforced?


Exactly- If it is about the money.
dstieger Offline
#20 Posted:
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I suspect you guys are correct. But, what of it? Trump was stupid to lie about the affair and payment from the get-go....nobody believes he wasn't aware of the pay-off. But, is lying about the piece on the side enough to warrant top level FBI attention and lawyer office raids? If that's the crux of the issue, what's the worst criminal charge we might hear? At least nobody's talking about collusion right now, right?
victor809 Offline
#21 Posted:
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The payoff issue could tie into some finance laws. Perhaps he did pay Cohen back... but with money that wasn't his... like a campaign fund? I am totally speculating... because the investigation has been nice and quiet... but I suspect if they are looking at the stormy thing it has to do with what money was used, from what pools...

Misappropriateing 130k is a felony...
victor809 Offline
#22 Posted:
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Delta... I stand corrected. Looks like the rod guy did sign the paperwork for the raid... then recused himself maybe?

Odd...
Buckwheat Offline
#23 Posted:
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I really like these bits from the prez.:

‘It’s an attack on our country,’ the president said. ‘It’s an attack on what we all stand for.’ - Yes he is.

& 'It's a disgraceful situation'

Why yes it is. ram27bat

delta1 Offline
#24 Posted:
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Trump is a self-serving, bomb-ass-tic infantile selfish attention freak...those statements he made about the search warrants executed reflect those characteristics...

Cohen is the one who is being targeted in SNY...why should Trump be so outraged about one of his flunkies being in legal jeopardy ... he's never acted like they mattered before...

if he hasn't done anything wrong, why the flameout ...maybe there are some Trump skeletons hiding in Cohen's closet...


Trump is savvy about keeping his powder dry...he doesn't do emails or text messages, so it's tough to gather evidence of his wrong-doing...other than the stuff that spews from his own mouth...remember when he ordered everybody out of the Oval Office so he could have a one on one chat with Comey?

I can't imagine Cohen keeping written records of his shady work on behalf of Trump, or if he did, not shredding that stuff when the Storm first hit the fan...that's prolly one of the reasons investigators asked for the search warrants...Cohen was not forthcoming with requested docs...
HuckFinn Offline
#25 Posted:
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The search of Cohens office, home and hotel room that the fbi conducted was a no-knock search so that evidence couldn't be destroyed.
Speyside Offline
#26 Posted:
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Victor, Rod has not been recused. I was listening to a discussion on this today. The gist of it was he does not need to recuse himself untill he is questioned in any manner.
HuckFinn Offline
#27 Posted:
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From:
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/382477-abc-trump-appointed-us-attorney-recused-himself-from-cohen-probe

The U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, Geoffrey Berman, was recused from the investigation into President Trump’s personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, ABC News reported.

Berman was not involved in the FBI raid of Cohen’s hotel room and office in New York City because of the recusal that was approved by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, sources told ABC News.

Other officials in the office of the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York handled the search of Cohen's office, home and hotel room.

Berman was appointed to his post by Attorney General Jeff Sessions. He previously worked with Rudy Giuliani, who is a supporter of Trump, and donated to Trump's 2016 campaign.

Sessions testified to Congress that Trump personally interviewed candidates for several U.S. attorney positions, including the job in New York, which might partly explain his recusal.

Berman replaced Prett Bharara, who has become a vocal Trump critic since his firing.

The raid on Trump's lawyer was reportedly carried out after special counsel Robert Mueller — who is investigating potential Russian collusion in the 2016 elections — gave federal prosecutors a referral.

While not related to Mueller’s investigation, the raid likely resulted from information Mueller’s team uncovered during its investigation and handed over to New York prosecutors.
HuckFinn Offline
#28 Posted:
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Regarding Rosenstein, many are asking why he hasn't recused himself and he's openly talking about doing it.
delta1 Offline
#29 Posted:
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For any other President, this would be a huge story, with a potential threat to his ability to remain in office. His personal lawyer is under investigation for bank and wire fraud and violation of campaign finance laws, all because he paid a porn star to keep quiet about a past affair with the President while his wife was pregnant, negotiating the botched non-disclosure deal just weeks before the election...

But with the circus surrounding this guy, this is just another day...


All the cons who yawn and accuse the deep state within the FBI/DOJ of ginning up this stuff just to discredit Trump, giving him a pass and sowing distrust of our top law enforcement agency should ask themselves: If Hillary was the President, and someone accused John Podesta of paying big money to somebody to keep quiet about some sort of scandal involving Hillary during the last weeks of the campaign...shucks, this is just a nothing burger, no biggie....

or...sic him FBI and LOCK HER UP!!!
HuckFinn Offline
#30 Posted:
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According to

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41028733

It's because


He defies the normal metrics for success because his voters don't so much support him for what he does as they adore him for what he's against.

Trump is against the political establishment (the media, the Republican Party, political grandees like the Bushes and the Clintons) and change (which encompasses everything you had but fear you are losing) and he's against the world (which has taken jobs and sent immigrants to take over America).

No mention of his hair...I was a bit disappointed
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