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Burner02 Offline
#51 Posted: Wed, Apr 18 2018, 8:23 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
And how do you believe the FBI has politicised their position of power? What have they done which implies they are not discharging their duties in a fair and equitable manner? What proof do you have (actual proof) to support these claims?



Never said that about the FBI.

You need to provide evidence that I did.
Burner02 Offline
#52 Posted: Wed, Apr 18 2018, 8:40 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Huh?


You too?
Burner02 Offline
#53 Posted: Wed, Apr 18 2018, 8:56 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
With all due respect Burner, sounds to me like you're describing Donald and not Comey.
1. Donald doesn't do any of his thinking inside the box. He said it himself, he likes chaos!

2. Trump's detractors, and not the media, but the masses of people that didn't vote for him think his agenda favors the wealthiest people in the country and not the middle class eg tax cut. Most of these same people don't think being 'equitable' is even in his vocabulary.
(Omit joke "along with many other words ")

3. Polarization is at the core of Donalds success. You do see that, right?

Since our country's inception, federal employees have of course held personal political opinions. I agree that federal agents should never act on their partisan motives. But I dont see comey as someone with a political agenda. Just a personal one.

Is Comey a grandstander, sure, an entrepreneur yep, a Republican that helped Donald win the election, that too. His strong, granted, profitible objection to Donald is NOT based at all on Donald's politics, it's based on his character.

I'm not condoning the timing of the book or much of what he's been saying (small hands etc) but I think the message he's sending is apolitical and frighteningly valid. He's a whistle blower the way I see it. In the final analysis I see a flawed patriot.

One last thing: nowadays everyone seems to have an agenda. Even fact check sites. Do I know Comey so well that I can vouch for him entirely? Course not.
My 2c


Huck, on your three points:

1. I would encourage individuals to think outside the box. When they start coloring outside the box in most cases is not good.

2. As far as Trump goes, the left should of had a better message and a better candidate. No one to blame but themselves.

3. The polarization I see for the most part is the left will not accept the fact that Trump won and Clinton did not. The left has taken on the role of the Federalist from the early 1800's and the Federalist creed of "rule it or ruin it." It really gets old.
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#54 Posted: Wed, Apr 18 2018, 9:25 PM EST
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Burner02 wrote:
Huck, on your three points:

1. I would encourage individuals to think outside the box. When they start coloring outside the box in most cases is not good.

2. As far as Trump goes, the left should of had a better message and a better candidate. No one to blame but themselves.

3. The polarization I see for the most part is the left will not accept the fact that Trump won and Clinton did not. The left has taken on the role of the Federalist from the early 1800's and the Federalist creed of "rule it or ruin it." It really gets old.

Of course I can't agree.
I'm beyond amazed at how anyone who's witnessed Trump's time in office hasn't concluded that this guy is dangerous, and taking us in a clearly bad direction.

Trump was part of a perfect storm for the right.

You're right, the left had no viable candidate. Or message. But it wasn't losing the election that's killing the left, it's losing it to this loose cannon fruitcake

Here's to hoping we get it together midterms.

You like Trump?
victor809 Offline
#55 Posted: Wed, Apr 18 2018, 9:32 PM EST
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Burner02 wrote:
I don't need to provide evidence, I never said it.


Let's start from the beginning:
spey wrote:
Very educational read Burner.

huck wrote:
And totally partisan

burner wrote:

Agreed, to the institution. In this case the FBI.

(see.... here you are saying the FBI is partisan)

victor wrote:
I assume this is where you try to spout the nonsense that the FBI is somehow democrat leaning...

burner wrote:
Not the first time you have been wrong. Even a smart boy like you should be able to connect the dots on this one.

(hey... here you are actually saying "connect the dots" when trying to imply something without clearly stating it, or any evidence to support it)
victor wrote:
You saying "connect the dots" isn't actually providing any evidence.
It's been a popular claim recently, and only recently, that the FBI is somehow in the bag for the democrats. No one has actually provided evidence.
If you have no evidence then that's fine. It just makes it clear what kind of person you are

(now... here I do make the assumption that when you say "partisan" in a negative manner you mean left leaning partisan, as that appears to be the "evil" partisan here. I'll admit that's an assumption... a "conneting of the dots" if you will)
burner wrote:

There is no room in our society for the politicization of these positions of power. If allowed we are headed down a road of no return.
If a person feels that politicization of the positions of power is acceptable then that person is part of the problem.

(here you state your issue is not with the "partisan" but the "politicizatin". so... by that measure, you don't want him to politicize his position for either the right or the left. That's fine. But accusing the FBI of being political, requires evidence as well.... so as you can imagine, I asked for it)
victor wrote:
And how do you believe the FBI has politicised their position of power? What have they done which implies they are not discharging their duties in a fair and equitable manner? What proof do you have (actual proof) to support these claims?


Now... the funny part is... your first response to this is:
burner wrote:


I don't need to provide evidence, I never said it.

which is weird... since you're responding to a post wayyy up there...
then you go with
burner wrote:
Never said that about the FBI.

You need to provide evidence that I did.

to which I will re-direct you to:
1- your initial statement that the FBI is partisan
2 - your walkback of that statement to it being "politicized" and "There is no room in our society for the politicization of these positions of power." which implies you believe these positions of power are politicized.

I'm not putting words in your mouth. I'm asking you to explain the statements you are making.

DrafterX Offline
#56 Posted: Wed, Apr 18 2018, 9:41 PM EST
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Trump is dangerous..?? How many terrorists and criminals did Obama let back on streets..?? Huh
HuckFinn Offline
#57 Posted: Wed, Apr 18 2018, 9:43 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Trump is dangerous..?? How many terrorists and criminals did Obama let back on streets..?? Huh

Dunno. How many?
DrafterX Offline
#58 Posted: Wed, Apr 18 2018, 9:47 PM EST
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Something like 90% of Guantanamo.. plus about 5,000 thieves and drug dealers out of the pen.. just for starters.. plus that Manning freak.. Mellow
Burner02 Offline
#59 Posted: Thu, Apr 19 2018, 5:44 AM EST
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Burner02 wrote:
Agreed, to the institution. In this case the FBI.


Dearest Vickie,

In my above response to Huck, I'm saying yes that the opinion piece is partisan but to the FBI.

In my best guess Huck was saying it was right leaning

One may say that my response was somewhat sarcastic but the fact remains that the article was partisan toward the FBI. Which, I have no problem with.

And again, I will point out that no where in this thread did I trash the FBI.

But in your rush to argue (never seen that before) you missed the point of my trashing of Comey and anyone in our government like him that puts themselves above the institution they represent.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#60 Posted: Fri, Apr 20 2018, 8:49 AM EST
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The FBI acted in a very partisan manner.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/04/comey-mccabe-fbi-clinton/558200/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/aa-5

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/session-justice-department-prosecute-andrew-110002565.html

d'oh!
xibbumbero Offline
#61 Posted: Fri, Apr 20 2018, 10:12 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
He's a douche... always has been, and now he's trying to make money off of being a douche.


So..Comey's a douche,the former head of the FBI but trump,who wouldn't know the truth if hit him between the eyes,isn't?
Me thinks you need to re-evaluate your definition of the word douche. X Shame on you
DrafterX Offline
#62 Posted: Fri, Apr 20 2018, 11:01 PM EST
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Hillary lost.. Mellow
HuckFinn Offline
#63 Posted: Sat, Apr 21 2018, 8:47 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Hillary lost.. Mellow

AGAIN?

Damn
DrafterX Offline
#64 Posted: Sat, Apr 21 2018, 8:42 PM EST
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Ya... She got pissed off and killed a pizza guy afterwards... Mellow
HuckFinn Offline
#65 Posted: Sun, Apr 22 2018, 7:23 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Ya... She got pissed off and killed a pizza guy afterwards... Mellow

You gotta stop pizza pranking her dude.
DrafterX Offline
#66 Posted: Sun, Apr 22 2018, 8:26 AM EST
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I didn't do it... Not talking
DrMaddVibe Offline
#67 Posted: Sun, Apr 22 2018, 3:51 PM EST
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Now it's a "battleground"!!!

http://www.cetusnews.com/news/Analysis-%7C-Under-attack--the-FBI-becomes-a-partisan-battleground.SkzEwWYhM.html
DrafterX Offline
#68 Posted: Sun, Apr 22 2018, 4:09 PM EST
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We are young, heartache to heartache we stand...
No promises, no demands...Mellow
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