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Hannity and Cohen
delta1 Offline
#51 Posted:
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Hannity's failure to disclose his relationship to Cohen before making his pronouncements to millions of Americans who believe his opinions about the un-American and totally improper process of serving a search warrant on the President's lawyer, without mentioning that the lawyer is suspected of engaging in criminal conduct...shows his lack of integrity and a dangerous lack of concern for undermining the criminal justice system and the rule of law in the US.
tailgater Offline
#52 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
Hannity's failure to disclose his relationship to Cohen before making his pronouncements to millions of Americans who believe his opinions about the un-American and totally improper process of serving a search warrant on the President's lawyer, without mentioning that the lawyer is suspected of engaging in criminal conduct...shows his lack of integrity and a dangerous lack of concern for undermining the criminal justice system and the rule of law in the US.




Tell me, specifically, how our criminal justice system OR our rule of law have been "undermined".


DrMaddVibe Offline
#53 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
Hannity's failure to disclose his relationship to Cohen before making his pronouncements to millions of Americans who believe his opinions about the un-American and totally improper process of serving a search warrant on the President's lawyer, without mentioning that the lawyer is suspected of engaging in criminal conduct...shows his lack of integrity and a dangerous lack of concern for undermining the criminal justice system and the rule of law in the US.



Did you think the same thing watching a football game about Jon Gruden when he was calling NFL games after being a head coach? I mean, he knew the players, the coaches, the plays and all.

I will walk it back again...do you know how many lawyers he has on his radio and tv show a week? Personally, I don't know why Cohen even uttered his name except perhaps it would deflect from whatever they're trying to bury him with.

Hannity has gone on the record that he never paid for his services. Therefore there is no client/lawyer relationship beyond whatever he asked him for advice on...he says it was with property dealings...I don't really care as I see this as pure deflection with no substance. To think Sean Hannity is pulling the strings is laughable. He's good, but he's not that good.

Stop listening to MSNBC. You might actually hear an opposing view that will make you do your own research.
tailgater Offline
#54 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
one claimed him as a client...not that it will ever matter...


anyway, someone asked for an Amen


AMEN!


A day late and all I get is one non-Christian amen?

Beggars can't be choosers...

Shalom, my friend.

frankj1 Offline
#55 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
A day late and all I get is one non-Christian amen?

Beggars can't be choosers...

Shalom, my friend.


it reads different than I say it.

Us Heebs say AH-main, and that's what I gave you.
Shabat Shalom. my friend.
tailgater Offline
#56 Posted:
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Us Heebs...

I don't think I've ever seen that in type before.

giggle.


delta1 Offline
#57 Posted:
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It would be unseemly for the one who made the statement that induced a call for an Amen to issue an Amen, so I will refrain from saying Amen...ahem...


delta1 Offline
#58 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Tell me, specifically, how our criminal justice system OR our rule of law have been "undermined".





Many on the right claim that this is a civil society based the rule of law, that we have to support our law enforcers, and embrace the law and order flag. Even Trump addressed lawlessness and criminality in America during his inaugural address, proclaiming the "carnage ends now."

Yet, when he and those in his campaign are suspected of wrong-doing and become subjects and targets of criminal investigations relating to their actions during the election, Trump and his number one cheerleader, Hannity, have engaged in a campaign to discredit the FBI, the US intelligence agencies and those doing the investigating. Hannity has called for a halt to the special counsel's investigation from the very beginning, and has echoed Trump's claims that it is a partisan hoax and a witch hunt. He has repeated the alt-right claim that the FBI and the DOJ are deep-state partisans who are out to get Trump and are failed institutions that need to be rebuilt.

After the FBI and US Atty office in NY served search warrants at Cohen's office and residences, Hannity and Trump decried the actions as an attack on American democracy, ignoring the layers of investigative and judicial over-view that examines the underlying accusation of criminal conduct that sought-after evidence in specific locations may prove which precedes the issuance of a search warrant. At least 35 - 40 % of Americans accept their views that the US criminal justice system is corrupt and out to get the President, who they claim is innocent of all the allegations.

Many of these same people, after Trump has been found to have behaved immorally or less than truthfully, are the ones who say, "we all knew who Trump was before the election, and we still voted for him."
Speyside Offline
#59 Posted:
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Hannity knows Cohen. Yawn. Kind of a great big WGAF? Yawn.
DrafterX Offline
#60 Posted:
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We voted against Hillary.. Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#61 Posted:
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And it's a damn good thing we did... Her crimes and the DNC's woulda been swept under the rug.. Mellow
HuckFinn Offline
#62 Posted:
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Turn on the news
Benedict Donald and the Orange aids be goin' dowwwn
HuckFinn Offline
#63 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
Many on the right claim that this is a civil society based the rule of law, that we have to support our law enforcers, and embrace the law and order flag. Even Trump addressed lawlessness and criminality in America during his inaugural address, proclaiming the "carnage ends now."

Yet, when he and those in his campaign are suspected of wrong-doing and become subjects and targets of criminal investigations relating to their actions during the election, Trump and his number one cheerleader, Hannity, have engaged in a campaign to discredit the FBI, the US intelligence agencies and those doing the investigating.


Great gig. Simply based on Donald's presidential power, he can now tell the cops to GFY.
You can't investigate me!
Didn't work for Tricky Ddick.

If I didn't have to shave twice a day I'd want that job.
It's like a super power!
tailgater Offline
#64 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
Many on the right claim that this is a civil society based the rule of law, that we have to support our law enforcers, and embrace the law and order flag. Even Trump addressed lawlessness and criminality in America during his inaugural address, proclaiming the "carnage ends now."

Yet, when he and those in his campaign are suspected of wrong-doing and become subjects and targets of criminal investigations relating to their actions during the election, Trump and his number one cheerleader, Hannity, have engaged in a campaign to discredit the FBI, the US intelligence agencies and those doing the investigating. Hannity has called for a halt to the special counsel's investigation from the very beginning, and has echoed Trump's claims that it is a partisan hoax and a witch hunt. He has repeated the alt-right claim that the FBI and the DOJ are deep-state partisans who are out to get Trump and are failed institutions that need to be rebuilt.

After the FBI and US Atty office in NY served search warrants at Cohen's office and residences, Hannity and Trump decried the actions as an attack on American democracy, ignoring the layers of investigative and judicial over-view that examines the underlying accusation of criminal conduct that sought-after evidence in specific locations may prove which precedes the issuance of a search warrant. At least 35 - 40 % of Americans accept their views that the US criminal justice system is corrupt and out to get the President, who they claim is innocent of all the allegations.

Many of these same people, after Trump has been found to have behaved immorally or less than truthfully, are the ones who say, "we all knew who Trump was before the election, and we still voted for him."




You must live in fear if you think a Foxnews personality has the power to single handedly undermine our Criminal Justice System and our Rule of Law by reporting potentially biased information.

We had 8 years of a mainstream media in the back pocket of Obama and his cronies.
That was OK.
But 30 seconds of ONE lawyer being friends with ONE conservative talking head and it's Armageddon.

I'd LOL, but I save that backlash for things that are funny "ha ha". Not funny "you have to be sh*tting me".


HuckFinn Offline
#65 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
You must live in fear if you think a Foxnews personality has the power to single handedly undermine our Criminal Justice System and our Rule of Law by reporting potentially biased information.

We had 8 years of a mainstream media in the back pocket of Obama and his cronies.
That was OK.
But 30 seconds of ONE lawyer being friends with ONE conservative talking head and it's Armageddon.

I'd LOL, but I save that backlash for things that are funny "ha ha". Not funny "you have to be sh*tting me".



Hannity posited an image of strings connecting people to Mueller with the heading "The Mueller Crime Family"
He contaminated the conversation with his slanderous bs. Only reason you're okay with this biased rantings is because....Trump.

Obama wasn't in daily communication with mainstream media personalities to coordinate messaging. That Trump was should scare you. Google 'the cult of Trump'. It's likely you've subliminally joined TG.
Cohen is more a fixer than a lawyer. If Hannity was using him to get real estate advice or to make payoffs or something else illegal and nefarious, I'm gonna let the investigators decide. Not you.
delta1 Offline
#66 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
You must live in fear if you think a Foxnews personality has the power to single handedly undermine our Criminal Justice System and our Rule of Law by reporting potentially biased information.

We had 8 years of a mainstream media in the back pocket of Obama and his cronies.
That was OK.
But 30 seconds of ONE lawyer being friends with ONE conservative talking head and it's Armageddon.

I'd LOL, but I save that backlash for things that are funny "ha ha". Not funny "you have to be sh*tting me".




Not just Hannity, but when combined with the POTUS and his personal media outlet, making that a daily attack, crazy things can happen...Frank points to Sinclair Lewis' classic novel on media manipulation...despotic control of media messaging has had serious consequences in the real world...

Here's an interesting article that describes the drop in Mueller's and the FBI's favorability among Americans in a recent poll, given the non-stop pounding by Trump and Trump media...

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/17/603039236/npr-marist-poll-gop-dems-divided-on-mueller-as-special-counsels-favorability-dro
frankj1 Offline
#67 Posted:
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Remember The Maine
DrMaddVibe Offline
#68 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
https://www.npr.org/2018/04/17/603039236/npr-marist-poll-gop-dems-divided-on-mueller-as-special-counsels-favorability-dro



What those polls tell me is that they better hurry up.

The "Unfavorable" is creeping up on all sides.

This was about "Russian Collusion"...riiight?


Now that Comey's memos have dropped, we can read by his own admission that there was nothing there. Game Over.
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#69 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
Not just Hannity, but when combined with the POTUS and his personal media outlet, making that a daily attack, crazy things can happen...Frank points to Sinclair Lewis' classic novel on media manipulation...despotic control of media messaging has had serious consequences in the real world...

Here's an interesting article that describes the drop in Mueller's and the FBI's favorability among Americans in a recent poll, given the non-stop pounding by Trump and Trump media...

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/17/603039236/npr-marist-poll-gop-dems-divided-on-mueller-as-special-counsels-favorability-dro


Of course the favorability drop wouldn't have anything to do with the constant media publications of "un-named source" bombshells that turn out to be "nothing burgers" or outright fabrications. It's all because Trump is a despot. Got it.

David (dpnewell)
tailgater Offline
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HuckFinn wrote:
Hannity posited an image of strings connecting people to Mueller with the heading "The Mueller Crime Family"
He contaminated the conversation with his slanderous bs. Only reason you're okay with this biased rantings is because....Trump.

Obama wasn't in daily communication with mainstream media personalities to coordinate messaging. That Trump was should scare you. Google 'the cult of Trump'. It's likely you've subliminally joined TG.
Cohen is more a fixer than a lawyer. If Hannity was using him to get real estate advice or to make payoffs or something else illegal and nefarious, I'm gonna let the investigators decide. Not you.


Hey.
I trademarked the "because...Trump" line.


Obama wasn't in daily communication?
Newsflash: He didn't have to be.
If you were ever popular enough to have someone kiss your azz, you'd know you don't have to do anything except throw them a bone every now and then.

Look, if Trump meets with Hannity and tells him what to say, then you and I are on the same side of the conversation.
But that's NOT what we're talking about.
You're upset because Hannity KNOWS Cohen and didn't tell you.
He's a fixer? Says you. But let's say he is. OK.
Guess what? Investigations into Cohen went on uninterrupted despite Hannity knowing him.

How could that EVER happen?
Oh yeah.
Because it didn't matter who knew whom.






tailgater Offline
#71 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
Not just Hannity, but when combined with the POTUS and his personal media outlet, making that a daily attack, crazy things can happen...Frank points to Sinclair Lewis' classic novel on media manipulation...despotic control of media messaging has had serious consequences in the real world...

Here's an interesting article that describes the drop in Mueller's and the FBI's favorability among Americans in a recent poll, given the non-stop pounding by Trump and Trump media...

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/17/603039236/npr-marist-poll-gop-dems-divided-on-mueller-as-special-counsels-favorability-dro


As opposed to the non-stop propping up of Saint Barrack during his reign?

Obama, the guy who won a Nobel Peace Prize before he took his oath in office?
The guy who gives Chris Matthews "Thrills up his leg"?
The guy who called Police doing their Job "stupid" yet received a bye from the media?
The guy who had a debate moderator act as his fact-check DURING the debate?
Who compared his bowling skills to those of Special Olympic Athletes, yet was not ever criticized by the Main Stream Media?

I mean, you're kidding? Right?


HuckFinn Offline
#72 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Hey.
I trademarked the "because...Trump" line.


Obama wasn't in daily communication?
Newsflash: He didn't have to be.
If you were ever popular enough to have someone kiss your azz, you'd know you don't have to do anything except throw them a bone every now and then.

Look, if Trump meets with Hannity and tells him what to say, then you and I are on the same side of the conversation.
But that's NOT what we're talking about.
You're upset because Hannity KNOWS Cohen and didn't tell you.
He's a fixer? Says you. But let's say he is. OK.
Guess what? Investigations into Cohen went on uninterrupted despite Hannity knowing him.

How could that EVER happen?
Oh yeah.
Because it didn't matter who knew whom.







I think I'm unpopular enough to have someone try and kick my azz (at cbid of course) but...nm

I'm not upset that Hannity knew Donald (and didn't tell me? Lol) that's absurd.

I am pizzed that they spoke about content and direction before and after Hannity's shows.
That creeps me out actually.

He is known as a fixer. Not 'says me'. You ever research stuff? Cohen is dirty. Not something I'm gonna argue with anyone. If it's shown to be true you can applaud, if it isn't, he got away with it. End of discussion.
Investigation into Cohen is ongoing. With luck, Hannity's reasons for retaining him will be revealed and his wife will have to force a smile for the cameras like Melania does.
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#73 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:
I think I'm unpopular enough to have someone try and kick my azz (at cbid of course) but...nm

I'm not upset that Hannity knew Donald (and didn't tell me? Lol) that's absurd.

I am pizzed that they spoke about content and direction before and after Hannity's shows.
That creeps me out actually.

He is known as a fixer. Not 'says me'. You ever research stuff? Cohen is dirty. Not something I'm gonna argue with anyone. If it's shown to be true you can applaud, if it isn't, he got away with it. End of discussion.
Investigation into Cohen is ongoing. With luck, Hannity's reasons for retaining him will be revealed and his wife will have to force a smile for the cameras like Melania does.

There's that "open mind"......I think I almost saw it
HuckFinn Offline
#74 Posted:
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RMAN4443 wrote:
There's that "open mind"......I think I almost saw it

I've already said, I'm done keeping an open mind in all things Donald
There's a big difference between being open minded and blind to the truth.

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#75 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:
I've already said, I'm done keeping an open mind in all things Donald
There's a big difference between being open minded and blind to the truth.


Not if you keep an open mind Herfing
tailgater Offline
#76 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:
I think I'm unpopular enough to have someone try and kick my azz (at cbid of course) but...nm

I'm not upset that Hannity knew Donald (and didn't tell me? Lol) that's absurd.

I am pizzed that they spoke about content and direction before and after Hannity's shows.
That creeps me out actually.

He is known as a fixer. Not 'says me'. You ever research stuff? Cohen is dirty. Not something I'm gonna argue with anyone. If it's shown to be true you can applaud, if it isn't, he got away with it. End of discussion.
Investigation into Cohen is ongoing. With luck, Hannity's reasons for retaining him will be revealed and his wife will have to force a smile for the cameras like Melania does.


Once again, when the argument becomes unwinnable the left change the argument.

RUSSIA!

Speyside Offline
#77 Posted:
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So Huck speaks for the entire left? You think this is how Frank thinks, or how I think?
HuckFinn Offline
#78 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Once again, when the argument becomes unwinnable the left change the argument.

RUSSIA!



You must have assumed that was the argument. Never was. I met William Buckley once. I knew him. I'm not a conservative. Really. Not.
Argument was, stay focused TG, the two men strategized. And that's not okay.

Listen, you want to defend Donald in perpetuum? I dont really care. You're prepared to dismiss the word and honesty of people in government that admit under oath that he's done really shady things and call them conspirators? You're prepared to put all your chips on him? Your business. It's that 'cult of Trump' thing I was telling you about. But cool.

Google the new book by Jonah Goldberg 'Suicide Of The West' . He's a brilliant guy, a staunch conservative, who makes really compelling observations about Trump and what he's doing. Here's a link to a National Review interview:

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/23/604854281/goldbergs-suicide-of-the-west-tackles-ills-of-identity-politics


Used to be we, most of us, had enduring values and we thought.
Now it's all 'sides' and name-calling.

So, if you're that confident in the guy you helped elect, fine. And I mean that seriously.
I see through him. And I'm worried for our democracy.
Abrignac Offline
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HuckFinn wrote:
And I'm worried for our democracy.


Really?

If you were so worried about our democracy then you would be way less partisan.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#80 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:

Used to be we, most of us, had enduring values and we thought.
Now it's all 'sides' and name-calling.

So, if you're that confident in the guy you helped elect, fine. And I mean that seriously.
I see through him. And I'm worried for our democracy.


Applause


Do you think this is the 1st time anyone has heard the Saul Alinsky talking points?

You probably believe you thought that up all by yourself .


I'll let you in on a secret.

What got Trump elected was the carpetbagging Clintons.

She stole the DNC from the inside out. Used it to rig her candadicy. I wonder when Sanders knew his honorable man stance wasn't going to win anything? He held it together. What was he promised? Then there's the "deplorables" comment. Yeah. Right from her own mouth. You heard it. So did America. If that wasn't enough she even weaponized intelligence agencies against private citizens. The truth has already been found. Bury your collective heads in the sand while it spills out. The "swamp" and all its creatures swimming together. Some are running for the hills with their riches.

What choice did anyone have in the last election cycle? Vote for her or vote for him...or not vote at all. Anyone that voted 3rd party did the same as me...i didn't vote. 1st time since I was allowed to vote that I didn't. Put the blame for electing Trump where it belongs. Lather rinse and repeat. Do it again till you finally understand she ...Hillary...elected Trump.
Speyside Offline
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Doc, I agree with you, imagine that. I voted third party to voice my disgust with Trump and Clinton. I realize that was almost the same as not voting.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#82 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
Doc, I agree with you, imagine that. I voted third party to voice my disgust with Trump and Clinton. I realize that was almost the same as not voting.



Normally, I wouldn't have any issue with anyone voting 3rd party. I totally get it. Rage against the Machine!

In this cycle though?

She really counted on people to not write in "Jill" and "Bernie" or vote for Mr. Weed. That's how arrogant the carpetbaggers are. I firmly believe that a deal with them and the Kenyan King was put in place. Remember that 45 minute "WHERE ARE THEY?" meeting that they held in the run up to his coronation? I want a plumb spot in your administration where I can keep my pulse on the patient and then when they're done with you be it one or 2 terms you keep Joe on the sidelines (Hell, Crazy Joe is STILL on the sidelines thats how rattled he is!) and I'll take the power back. I really believe a deal like that was in place.

If there was a viable 3rd party candidate I would've voted for them...there just wasn't. Gary had opportunities and both the Left and the Right batted him down as the "Not Ready For Primetime" candidate he was. If only he had more to say beside he wanted to legalize weed and put the bong down when the cameras were on him...this might've legitimized the 3rd party. If anything...it tore it down, smashed it to splinters and it would have to take a super human to even go against the DNC and GOP now.

I still think she's gonna try and make another run of it. She won't succeed...again...if she does.
tailgater Offline
#83 Posted:
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Posts: 26,185
HuckFinn wrote:
You must have assumed that was the argument. Never was..



Uhh, it was the major point of the OP (I should know) and it was discussed in detail on the first page.

Not saying it was YOUR point, nor am I saying your point isn't valid.
It's just a DIFFERENT point.

DrMaddVibe Offline
#84 Posted:
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Yeah...why are they wetting themselves???Think Think Think
HuckFinn Offline
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Google Trump's threat to democracy

Here's an article from NYT

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/10/opinion/trumps-how-democracies-die.html


Here are the warning signs according to political scientists (from the same article )

1. The leader shows only a weak commitment to democratic rules. 2. He or she denies the legitimacy of opponents. 3. He or she tolerates violence. 4. He or she shows some willingness to curb civil liberties or the media.

It's one thing to be a conservative. But another to blindly accept this political atmosphere as a new, better normal. Even conservatives (see Joshua Goldberg new book: Suicide Of The West ) are speaking out against what's beginning to look like a tyrant's takeover.

Do some research folks. Read what even writers at the National Review are saying.

It's not a partisan issue.
We all should be genuinely worried about whats taking place in our country!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#86 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,409
HuckFinn wrote:
Google Trump's threat to democracy



No, I don't think I'm going to.


So, what size is your head? That way the girls can get you fitted for your Pink Pu$$y hat for the next parade.
HuckFinn Offline
#87 Posted:
Joined: 07-10-2017
Posts: 2,044
DrMaddVibe wrote:
No, I don't think I'm going to.


So, what size is your head? That way the girls can get you fitted for your Pink Pu$$y hat for the next parade.

So, you got nuthin'
Cool.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#88 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,409
HuckFinn wrote:
So, you got nuthin'
Cool.



Yeah, following your linked rabbit holes off topic...DONE!

The girls still need your head size for your Pink Pu$$y hat though.
Ewok126 Offline
#89 Posted:
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A drunk dude in a bar went up to this hot chick and said "Man, I sure would like to have a little Pu$$Y."

She replied "So would I, Mine is as big as your hat!"

tailgater Offline
#90 Posted:
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
HuckFinn wrote:
Google Trump's threat to democracy

Here's an article from NYT

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/10/opinion/trumps-how-democracies-die.html


Here are the warning signs according to political scientists (from the same article )

1. The leader shows only a weak commitment to democratic rules. 2. He or she denies the legitimacy of opponents. 3. He or she tolerates violence. 4. He or she shows some willingness to curb civil liberties or the media.

It's one thing to be a conservative. But another to blindly accept this political atmosphere as a new, better normal. Even conservatives (see Joshua Goldberg new book: Suicide Of The West ) are speaking out against what's beginning to look like a tyrant's takeover.

Do some research folks. Read what even writers at the National Review are saying.

It's not a partisan issue.
We all should be genuinely worried about whats taking place in our country!


It's official.
You've gone nucking futs.

HuckFinn Offline
#91 Posted:
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The White House’s increasing inaccessibility to the press; the violence against lawmakers and journalists; the apparent ease with which Russia preyed on Americans’ deep political divisions and distrust of government; and the president’s efforts to delegitimize the media, his opponents, unfavorable court rulings, and independent investigations into his campaign’s ties with Moscow, have all contributed to a sense that American democracy is battered and besieged.

“America is no more immune from collapse than were some of history’s most stable and impressive consensual governments,” Victor Davis Hanson wrote last week in National Review. “Fifth-century Athens, Republican Rome, Renaissance Florence and Venice, and many of the elected governments of early 20th-century Western European states eventually destroyed themselves, went bankrupt, or were overrun by invaders.”


In May, amid the fallout from Donald Trump’s firing of FBI Director James Comey, the democracy-monitoring group Bright Line Watch polled more than 1,000 political scientists in the United States on whether America was adhering to a list of 29 democratic principles. What they found is that the vitality of American democracy depends on your definition of “democracy.” The U.S. performed well on measures of free expression but poorly on measures of political civility and equality, with the quality of elections and checks and balances on power earning mixed results.

A poll by another democracy-monitoring project, the Authoritarian Warning Survey, helps place America’s political problems in an international context. In May, 68 democracy scholars compared the behavior of American political leaders since January to the typical behavior of politicians in other mature democracies. On average, the United States was judged to be within the norm for “consolidated” democracies in terms of the rejection of political violence and the protection of civil liberties. It was considered to be just outside the norm when it comes to constraints on executive power, respect for an independent press, and commitment to free and fair elections in which political opponents are treated as legitimate. And, most remarkably, it was deemed significantly outside the norm on political rhetoric that honors democratic principles. When asked what recent development posed the greatest threat to American democracy, the most common response was Trump’s dismissal of Comey.

From just one of dozens of articles about our waning democracy.
And democracy's gradual dissolution globally.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/06/american-democracy-trump/530454/

Tyranny doesn't suddenly appear and take hold. It's a slow process.
But, Hillary.
tailgater Offline
#92 Posted:
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
The things you cite above might be true to some extent.
But they didn't start happening January 20, 2017.
Which is precisely what you are suggesting.

Obama frequently dismissed FoxNews. Not with the vitriol by which Trump operates, but with no less impact.
If it seemed exceedingly less frequent please remember that it's ONE station versus the multitude of liberal "news" channels that unleash on the POTUS with every opportunity they get.
Often with justification. Other times to provoke a response.
Is that journalism? Or is it making the news ala Randolph Hearst?

But at the end of the day, it seems that President Trump is the only one capable of multitasking.
While the deranged were running around yelling about golden showers and Russia, Russia, Russia, all Trump did was improve the American manufacturing base and get North Korea to belly up to the table sans the nukes.

If his methods offended a few limp wristed nations and Americans with TDS: So what?




HuckFinn Offline
#93 Posted:
Joined: 07-10-2017
Posts: 2,044
TG, Trump even before his inauguration antagonized, baited and denounced most media outlets. Its his MO. Its what he does best: bicker.

Call them liberal outlets if you need to but that's not how the majority of Americans see cnn or CBS etc. I know you do and I'm not gonna argue. Fox btw is an entertainment channel. Not a news source. Totally false equivalence.

Here's where I will argue with you though: if you honestly think Donald is the only one who is able to multi-task, that he is a capable and compassionate leader, if you're confident that this guy represents you and the west in a way you're proud of, then all I can do is wonder if you're even half as bright as I'd given you credit for. Either way I have to laugh.
Guy's a bumbling idiot.

So, you just lost some points.

Oh right. Limp wristed...really man?
Are you glib or do you just not know world history?
Or do you just like to play the devil's advocate?

Funny, for someone who'd defend the 2nd amendment like it was a baby taking a bath among wolves, you don't either know much about the fragility of democracy at this moment in time (or historically) or prefer to listlessly argue how Obama vs Trump vs cnn vs fox vs left vs right..


Russia.



tailgater Offline
#94 Posted:
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
HuckFinn wrote:
TG, Trump even before his inauguration antagonized, baited and denounced most media outlets. Its his MO. Its what he does best: bicker.

Call them liberal outlets if you need to but that's not how the majority of Americans see cnn or CBS etc. I know you do and I'm not gonna argue. Fox btw is an entertainment channel. Not a news source. Totally false equivalence.

Here's where I will argue with you though: if you honestly think Donald is the only one who is able to multi-task, that he is a capable and compassionate leader, if you're confident that this guy represents you and the west in a way you're proud of, then all I can do is wonder if you're even half as bright as I'd given you credit for. Either way I have to laugh.
Guy's a bumbling idiot.

So, you just lost some points.

Oh right. Limp wristed...really man?
Are you glib or do you just not know world history?
Or do you just like to play the devil's advocate?

Funny, for someone who'd defend the 2nd amendment like it was a baby taking a bath among wolves, you don't either know much about the fragility of democracy at this moment in time (or historically) or prefer to listlessly argue how Obama vs Trump vs cnn vs fox vs left vs right..


Russia.



You don't even know what you're arguing anymore, do you?

FoxNews is MSNBC.
CNN is a biased news channel.
False equivalence, yes. Because CNN is the liar in this group by pretending to give news.

And I lost points?
Why? Because you lie about me using words like "compassionate"?

Or did I lose points because you failed to understand the multitask slam?
I'll spell it out: the left (you) were (and are) so hell bent fixated on Russia and golden showers and decade old porn star sex that you can't see how Trump is quietly getting things done that actually help this country.
Although even if you did see it, you'd never admit it.
Ever.

So Keep on lying.
Keep on hating everything Trump.
Because it's making it easy to use you as the litmus test: Huck agrees with it? Must be leftist BS.

You weren't always this way, but the TDS must be progressing.
(that means getting worse)





RMAN4443 Offline
#95 Posted:
Joined: 09-29-2016
Posts: 7,683
HuckFinn wrote:
TG, Trump even before his inauguration antagonized, baited and denounced most media outlets. Its his MO. Its what he does best: bicker.

Call them liberal outlets if you need to but that's not how the majority of Americans see cnn or CBS etc. I know you do and I'm not gonna argue. Fox btw is an entertainment channel. Not a news source. Totally false equivalence.

Here's where I will argue with you though: if you honestly think Donald is the only one who is able to multi-task, that he is a capable and compassionate leader, if you're confident that this guy represents you and the west in a way you're proud of, then all I can do is wonder if you're even half as bright as I'd given you credit for. Either way I have to laugh.
Guy's a bumbling idiot.

So, you just lost some points.

Oh right. Limp wristed...really man?
Are you glib or do you just not know world history?
Or do you just like to play the devil's advocate?

Funny, for someone who'd defend the 2nd amendment like it was a baby taking a bath among wolves, you don't either know much about the fragility of democracy at this moment in time (or historically) or prefer to listlessly argue how Obama vs Trump vs cnn vs fox vs left vs right..


Russia.




There's that "open mind" again

during the debates, didn't CNN hand Hillary the questions that were going to be asked in one of the debates???????

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/07/donna-brazile-is-totally-not-sorry-for-leaking-cnn-debate-questions-to-hillary-clinton/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1fdd8b4ee1c4
Phil222 Offline
#96 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2017
Posts: 1,911
I think what Huck is talking about here is Zakaria's "Rise of Illiberal Democracies."...could be wrong though...was just skimming though some of this discussion, and I agree with TG on that we've had problems long before Trump.

Came across these today...somewhat related to the original topic.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/apr/22/michael-cohen-sean-hannity-property-real-estate-ben-carson-hud

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/apr/24/sean-hannity-real-estate-property-dealer-jeff-brock-fraud-foreclosures
frankj1 Offline
#97 Posted:
Joined: 02-08-2007
Posts: 44,221
is one covered by attorney/client privilege if the discussions are about committed crime(s)?
HuckFinn Offline
#98 Posted:
Joined: 07-10-2017
Posts: 2,044
RMAN4443 wrote:
There's that "open mind" again

during the debates, didn't CNN hand Hillary the questions that were going to be asked in one of the debates???????

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/07/donna-brazile-is-totally-not-sorry-for-leaking-cnn-debate-questions-to-hillary-clinton/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1fdd8b4ee1c4

I've said a few times now, my mind is closed as regards Trump.
I've seen enough damnng evidence.
If you want to continue watching our agencies and press discredited and denegraded by Donald, all in order to divert attention away from allegations and nefarious activities, all the while trusting noone but Donald, thats your call. But don't you even wonder 'is this guy honest at all?' Maybe you dont....I know, Hillary...Obama...Bill..

And all the droves of Trump associates who've been indicted or are under investigation that have testified that they broke laws for Donald are what, part of some deep state conspiracy?...well, your call again. You're convinced Donald is guilt-free. Right?

I'd much rather be accused of being closed-minded than brain dead

Personally I think anyone who continues to have an open mind as it regards Donald ought to check that their mind isn't leaking out of their ears.

Maybe not until everyone ever associated with him, all of them are gone, found guilty and sentenced, you'll still be under the Trump spell.
You need more proof. I don't. Yup, my mind is sealed. Talk about something else.
HuckFinn Offline
#99 Posted:
Joined: 07-10-2017
Posts: 2,044
tailgater wrote:
You don't even know what you're arguing anymore, do you?

FoxNews is MSNBC.
CNN is a biased news channel.
False equivalence, yes. Because CNN is the liar in this group by pretending to give news.

And I lost points?
Why? Because you lie about me using words like "compassionate"?

Or did I lose points because you failed to understand the multitask slam?
I'll spell it out: the left (you) were (and are) so hell bent fixated on Russia and golden showers and decade old porn star sex that you can't see how Trump is quietly getting things done that actually help this country.
Although even if you did see it, you'd never admit it.
Ever.

So Keep on lying.
Keep on hating everything Trump.
Because it's making it easy to use you as the litmus test: Huck agrees with it? Must be leftist BS.

You weren't always this way, but the TDS must be progressing.
(that means getting worse)


You're right about only one thing TG, it's a waste of time trying to 'argue' with folks like you.
Folks who desperately need to keep things simple. Do zero research. Keep things black or white. CNN bad. Liars. Other side. Leftists.

Pathetic.

Oh, you're right a second time! I should never had used the word compassionate.

Trump is ffucking up our country, our alliances, conspiring with enemies, walking away from the Paris pact endangering our environment and kids' futures, starting trade wars, and possibly breaking our alliances with multiple nations and scrapping the Iran deal which would mean that within just a matter of years, unmonitered, they'll have the bomb....

It's an impressive list. So maybe you're right a third time, he can multitask.

Heil Donald!
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#100 Posted:
Joined: 08-23-2014
Posts: 1,373
HuckFinn wrote:
You're right about only one thing TG, it's a waste of time trying to 'argue' with folks like you.
Folks who desperately need to keep things simple. Do zero research. Keep things black or white. CNN bad. Liars. Other side. Leftists.

Pathetic.

Oh, you're right a second time! I should never had used the word compassionate.

Trump is ffucking up our country, our alliances, conspiring with enemies, walking away from the Paris pact endangering our environment and kids' futures, starting trade wars, and possibly breaking our alliances with multiple nations and scrapping the Iran deal which would mean that within just a matter of years, unmonitered, they'll have the bomb....

It's an impressive list. So maybe you're right a third time, he can multitask.

Heil Donald!



As he walks away shaking his head, he could be heard to mumble ..... "and all this time I though Banderi was the one with the incurable TDS........."
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