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Trump: Peace maker
tailgater Offline
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North Korea agreed to halt ALL nuclear testing and close down a nuclear facility.
They will no longer test mid range nor intercontinental ballistic rockets.
Furthermore, North and South Korea are going to meet for discussions at the demilitarized zone between their nations.
Sounds like FoxNews is at it again, eh?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/20/asia/north-korea-closes-nuclear-site/index.html



I'm glad Obama won that Nobel Peace prize for, er, uh, ???


I heard Kerry was next in line for one.

Perspective.




DrMaddVibe Offline
#2 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
North Korea agreed to halt ALL nuclear testing and close down a nuclear facility.
They will no longer test mid range nor intercontinental ballistic rockets.
Furthermore, North and South Korea are going to meet for discussions at the demilitarized zone between their nations.
Sounds like FoxNews is at it again, eh?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/20/asia/north-korea-closes-nuclear-site/index.html



I'm glad Obama won that Nobel Peace prize for, er, uh, ???


I heard Kerry was next in line for one.

Perspective.







Yeah...it was a real Nixon/China moment.
frankj1 Offline
#3 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
North Korea agreed to halt ALL nuclear testing and close down a nuclear facility.
They will no longer test mid range nor intercontinental ballistic rockets.
Furthermore, North and South Korea are going to meet for discussions at the demilitarized zone between their nations.
Sounds like FoxNews is at it again, eh?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/20/asia/north-korea-closes-nuclear-site/index.html



I'm glad Obama won that Nobel Peace prize for, er, uh, ???


I heard Kerry was next in line for one.

Perspective.





I'm not good at looking up old posts, but I know I have posted a few times that N.Korea was doing and saying Trump level lunatic claims NOT because they really were a legitimate threat, but because they need so much. So now I'll expand on my theory as it seems to be coming to fruition.

The Little Fat Rocket Boy is universally painted as crazier than The Donald by most Western outlets, and 98.2% of Americans willingly accept this as fact. his photos support the image. We HOPE he is just a crazy despot.

The facts are that he is 3rd generation dictator, he has spent years outside of N Korea, educated and "finished" with the wealthiest on Earth...obviously not in the dark like his subjects for the previous two regimes of his family. Probably knows more about wine than Speyside.

He sees what is really going on outside of his country. And he knows he can not keep info out any longer, in fact the leaking in of outside info has been happening for a decade or more. (sorry for this inconvenience, but Thanks Obama, and W too) It's no longer a few groups of people huddled in dark basements trying to find Radio Free Europe on an AM radio...info finds everyone in today's world. And our way is superior.

His people are hungry in the real sense, and thirsty for what they are learning has been kept from them. This way of life, this isolationism policy is no longer viable. Revolt is a few scant years away...or less.

But Little Fatso isn't the lunatic in the way we love to believe. He is more worldly than most of us. And he can be a superhero if he can deliver modern life, including FOOD and basic human necessities to his people.

How best to accomplish this? Make loud threatening noise, claim you're crazy enough to use your (fake?) force, poke the Bear, and then suddenly offer to consider previously non-negotiable points in exchange for..negotiations.

Brilliant moves. Not because he is fooling anyone but because the timing is so perfect for him to save his dying country.
His half brothers to the south have been enjoying Western pleasures for decades. He knows of these advantages first hand. And he knows it's well past time to open his country to a better life, or risk being overthrown, imprisoned, executed, whatever.

Donald, don't blow this. It's an opportunity being handed to you, he has no leverage, it's not about you.







DrafterX Offline
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Our President didn't create this opportunity..?? Huh
tailgater Offline
#5 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
I'm not good at looking up old posts, but I know I have posted a few times that N.Korea was doing and saying Trump level lunatic claims NOT because they really were a legitimate threat, but because they need so much. So now I'll expand on my theory as it seems to be coming to fruition.

The Little Fat Rocket Boy is universally painted as crazier than The Donald by most Western outlets, and 98.2% of Americans willingly accept this as fact. his photos support the image. We HOPE he is just a crazy despot.

The facts are that he is 3rd generation dictator, he has spent years outside of N Korea, educated and "finished" with the wealthiest on Earth...obviously not in the dark like his subjects for the previous two regimes of his family. Probably knows more about wine than Speyside.

He sees what is really going on outside of his country. And he knows he can not keep info out any longer, in fact the leaking in of outside info has been happening for a decade or more. (sorry for this inconvenience, but Thanks Obama, and W too) It's no longer a few groups of people huddled in dark basements trying to find Radio Free Europe on an AM radio...info finds everyone in today's world. And our way is superior.

His people are hungry in the real sense, and thirsty for what they are learning has been kept from them. This way of life, this isolationism policy is no longer viable. Revolt is a few scant years away...or less.

But Little Fatso isn't the lunatic in the way we love to believe. He is more worldly than most of us. And he can be a superhero if he can deliver modern life, including FOOD and basic human necessities to his people.

How best to accomplish this? Make loud threatening noise, claim you're crazy enough to use your (fake?) force, poke the Bear, and then suddenly offer to consider previously non-negotiable points in exchange for..negotiations.

Brilliant moves. Not because he is fooling anyone but because the timing is so perfect for him to save his dying country.
His half brothers to the south have been enjoying Western pleasures for decades. He knows of these advantages first hand. And he knows it's well past time to open his country to a better life, or risk being overthrown, imprisoned, executed, whatever.

Donald, don't blow this. It's an opportunity being handed to you, he has no leverage, it's not about you.




Don't blow it?

You sound like that shrill Elizabeth Warren: "You didn't build that!"


Frank, if that moon whack job launched a nuke at NYC yesterday, you'd blame Trump.
Instead, he's "promising" to play nice and put away his nukes and you can't give Trump some of the credit? You can only hope he doesn't screw it up?

We embrace each other's wildly wrong-minded politics, because we both know we typically meet in the middle when push comes to shove.
Don't get the TDR on me now.


HuckFinn Offline
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tailgater wrote:
Don't blow it?

You sound like that shrill Elizabeth Warren: "You didn't build that!"


Frank, if that moon whack job launched a nuke at NYC yesterday, you'd blame Trump.
Instead, he's "promising" to play nice and put away his nukes and you can't give Trump some of the credit? You can only hope he doesn't screw it up?

We embrace each other's wildly wrong-minded politics, because we both know we typically meet in the middle when push comes to shove.
Don't get the TDR on me now.



Credit for what? Gambling that Kim Jong-un was bluffing? And assuming for a second that it was Trump's tough talk, it could have gone either way no? So in that case we're lucky...damn..
Besides, there's no proof that it is in any way related to Trump's bravado.

But I do agree with you about one thing you've said TG.
We can't depend on Donald to not screw this up.
delta1 Offline
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There is truth to what Frank said. The reality is that NK's missile tests have shown that he is still incapable of launching a nuclear attack with any precision, let alone strike the continental US. I live in SoCal and I scoff at NK's nuclear threat. The only people who say he is a threat to the US are those with a stake in the game: the US Intel community and US military-industrial complex. One HAS to relay the worse case scenario and the other benefits from any international threat and does its best to inflate them all.

The joint effort to host the Winter Olympics factored into the shift...many more NKoreans witnessed the splendor and beauty of South Korea. There seemed to be a new-found desire to treat each other as brothers and partners, different from before.
Was it because the SKoreans were afraid to mistreat the NK's thereby increasing the probability of military conflict that could only hurt them the most?

Maybe KJU saw the folly in continuing his Big Nuclear bluff...maybe the tightening sanctions became unbearable...


it's still early yet, and we have not dismantled a single bomb or production plant...the NKs have made promises before...but Trump deserves credit because he's the POTUS at a momentous time, potentially.
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Let's see if anything real comes of this. I hope it does. I am not going to applaud because there probably will be a meeting or even if there is a meeting. If something significant does happen I will happily applaud president Trump.
DrafterX Offline
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I applaud him for not just sending them a few billion like Obama did in exchange for pretending to play nice.. Mellow
Abrignac Offline
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So if fair is fair he should be getting his Nobel prize soon?
Burner02 Offline
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Future headlines:

Trump Destroy's Meeting

or

NK gets to much, U.S. to little!

Only options Federalist media have. Stay tuned.
DrafterX Offline
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Obama sets stage for negotiations... Mellow
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
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^^"Secret Meetings Bring North Korea to the Negotiation Table"

According to unnamed sources close to the matter, it was secret meetings between former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and high ranking North Korean military officials that set for the stage for the upcoming Jong-un/Trump summit. These same sources claim that Jong-un stated in private that he would only meet with the Orange Orangutan due to the insistance of the high angel and godess, Hillary Clinton. "If it wasn't for Hillary Clinton's direct intervention and devine negotiation skills, I would have already laid waste to the American continent" Jong-un is reported to have stated.

Maybe I should apply for a job with the NYT or WP.

David (dpnewell)



HuckFinn Offline
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Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
^^"Secret Meetings Bring North Korea to the Negotiation Table"

According to unnamed sources close to the matter, it was secret meetings between former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and high ranking North Korean military officials that set for the stage for the upcoming Jong-un/Trump summit. These same sources claim that Jong-un stated in private that he would only meet with the Orange Orangutan due to the insistance of the high angel and godess, Hillary Clinton. "If it wasn't for Hillary Clinton's direct intervention and devine negotiation skills, I would have already laid waste to the American continent" Jong-un is reported to have stated.

Maybe I should apply for a job with the NYT or WP.

David (dpnewell)




Maybe.
But don't quit your day job.
HuckFinn Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Obama sets stage for negotiations... Mellow

And Donald ordered the hookers.
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
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HuckFinn wrote:
Maybe.
But don't quit your day job.


Why? My story is as factual as the majority of what's been reported about Trump. I would think that the NYT, WP and Huff Post would be thrilled to have me write fiction for them.

David (dpnewell)
DrafterX Offline
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ThumpUp
HuckFinn Offline
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Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
Why? My story is as factual as the majority of what's been reported about Trump. I would think that the NYT, WP and Huff Post would be thrilled to have me write fiction for them.

David (dpnewell)

I think you're right!
Quit your day job!
jjanecka Offline
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I think donald did the right thing
tailgater Offline
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HuckFinn wrote:
Credit for what? Gambling that Kim Jong-un was bluffing? And assuming for a second that it was Trump's tough talk, it could have gone either way no? So in that case we're lucky...damn..
Besides, there's no proof that it is in any way related to Trump's bravado.

But I do agree with you about one thing you've said TG.
We can't depend on Donald to not screw this up.


Blah blah....leftist rant....blah blah.




DrMaddVibe Offline
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Think


8 years of the Kenyan King only whipped up Rocket Man into believing he could shoot whatever he wanted to up in the sky, so...I'd have to say Trump's tactics did bring him to the table.

I'd also have to say that the other post about the nation starving...well...their own leader did that to them. Not us. That's what happens whenever a nation is run by despots.

Can't really punish them more than they can endure, but giving away billions like previous administrations got us to where we are today.
delta1 Offline
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Both Obama and Trump's administrations have imposed heavy sanctions on the NK govt and their economy. Trump has also increased the belligerence and threats of military response. I think he's frightened the SKs (and Japan)so much about the consequences to them if military action happens, that they've played an enhanced role in meeting with and negotiating with the NKs. The SKs deserve much credit, also, for getting the temperature set way down on the peninsula.

It'd be interesting to see how they convinced KJU to put his nukes on the bargaining table and to meet with Trump.
Buckwheat Offline
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I'm optimistic and I hope it turns out as well as predicted. fog
HuckFinn Offline
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Same here. Cautiously optimistic.
HuckFinn Offline
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tailgater wrote:
Blah blah....leftist rant....blah blah.





And rightist sagacity
RMAN4443 Offline
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HuckFinn wrote:
And rightist sagacity

Saggy Tittys????Think
frankj1 Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Think


8 years of the Kenyan King only whipped up Rocket Man into believing he could shoot whatever he wanted to up in the sky, so...I'd have to say Trump's tactics did bring him to the table.

I'd also have to say that the other post about the nation starving...well...their own leader did that to them. Not us. That's what happens whenever a nation is run by despots.

Can't really punish them more than they can endure, but giving away billions like previous administrations got us to where we are today.

hunger is a great motivator, even more so when it becomes known to a people that it is not the norm elsewhere, like South Korea for one. Could even cause for them to rise up against the powers that be!

Not sure why you think I implied that anyone other than the 3 generations of despots created this though.

We (and others) have been funneling info into this sealed off nation for a long time now, and yes Donald has been the latest to continue that effort. But I have a difficult time believing that a worldly sophisticate, European educated third generation power broker does more than smile at being called adolescent insults...I could, however, believe that Trump has had people in contact with Fatso's people and that may have helped expedite matters more than bullying.

Somewhere in there I am giving Trump credit for future success, Doc. So if you see tailgater, tell him I am not being E. Warren shrill...not this time anyway.
HuckFinn Offline
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RMAN4443 wrote:
Saggy Tittys????Think

Them too!
Buckwheat Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Think


8 years of the Kenyan King only whipped up Rocket Man into believing he could shoot whatever he wanted to up in the sky, so...I'd have to say Trump's tactics did bring him to the table.

I'd also have to say that the other post about the nation starving...well...their own leader did that to them. Not us. That's what happens whenever a nation is run by despots.

Can't really punish them more than they can endure, but giving away billions like previous administrations got us to where we are today.


At least get your facts in line with reality! Carter (i.e. 1994 Agreed Framework) started it under Bill (against his wishes) and it has continued under every president since then. Not that it makes any difference who started it. There's more than enough blame to go to both parties. Remember that Congress writes the checks. fog
tailgater Offline
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HuckFinn wrote:
And rightist sagacity


You have increased my vocabulary by two. thank you.

First: Sagacity
"the quality of being sagacious"

So I had to look up the second: Sagacious
"having or showing keen mental discernment and good judgment; shrewd."


So now that I know, I gotta ask:
Isn't "Rightist Sagaciousness" redundant?

frankj1 Offline
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sage
HuckFinn Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
So if fair is fair he should be getting his Nobel prize soon?

Along with Dennis Rodman
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
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tailgater wrote:
You have increased my vocabulary by two. thank you.

First: Sagacity
"the quality of being sagacious"

So I had to look up the second: Sagacious
"having or showing keen mental discernment and good judgment; shrewd."


So now that I know, I gotta ask:
Isn't "Rightist Sagaciousness" redundant?



LOL Applause

David (dpnewell)
HuckFinn Offline
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tailgater wrote:

Isn't "Rightist Sagaciousness" redundant?


No. "Hardly possible".

Sorta like rightist humor.
MACS Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
So if fair is fair he should be getting his Nobel prize soon?


To even imagine that anyone aside from the people who voted for him would give Trump credit for anything is just plain foolish. Never gonna happen.
DrafterX Offline
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They gave him credit for dividing the nation.. even tho he didn't build it... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Well, if Hollywood didn't give "The Interview" any Oscars...well....
delta1 Offline
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MACS wrote:
To even imagine that anyone aside from the people who voted for him would give Trump credit for anything is just plain foolish. Never gonna happen.



I've given him credit for a few things, including for NK, announcing new sanctions on Russia for meddling in our elections (since backed off), job growth/unemployment declines, and stock market gains...


http://www.cigarbid.com/...56772/Well-Done-Mr-Trump
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I give him credit for shattering the brains of a bunch of already fragile minded people... YouTube has never been better...
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Can't forget the Pink Pu$$y Hat factories!!!!

Churn them out girls!!!
MACS Offline
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I give him credit for shattering the brains of a bunch of already fragile minded people... YouTube has never been better...


Yessir!!!
tailgater Offline
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North and South Korea continue to break new ground in their peace talks.
World leaders are giving Trump a large share of the credit.

Meanwhile, CNN et al continue to lead with a story about porn star sex from a decade before Trump became president.

It's almost as disgusting as awarding Obama the Nobel Peace Prize.
What did he do?

Oh yeah.
He laughed at Mitt Romney when he said Russia was our biggest threat.
He wagged a finger at Syria stepping over the "red line" before Putin put Obama in place.
He played a shell game with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Nothing to see here. Not his war.

But he did genuflect and apologize a lot.

So there's that.




Mrs. dpnewell Offline
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^I found this on AOL of all places.

Quote:
Speaking on Saturday at a televised news conference in Sydney, Australian prime minister Malcolm Turnbull praised Trump's negotiations on North Korea and said he helped bring the two Korean leaders together.

"I have given him that credit because Donald Trump has taken a very, very strong, hard line on the denuclearization issue and he has been able to bring in the support of the global community and, in particular, China," Turnbull said. "North Korea's economic relationship is overwhelmingly with China. And so China's preparedness to impose those sanctions has been the critical change that has put the economic pressure on North Korea."


So not only is Turnbull giving Trump credit for bringing the two Korean leaders together, he's also giving Trump credit for uniting the global community and particulary China against the NK. The left is silent on this issue for now. Eventually the left will figure out how to play this so that Trump recieves no credit, the MSN will be reporting these scripted talking points, and Banderi and Huck will be repeating them here.


Full article here
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/04/28/north-korean-media-hails-summit-as-trump-presses-for-full-denuclearization/23422584/

David (dpnewell)
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I think it is entirely possible that Trump should be credited for changes in language and postures. How can he not? If you say that things have improved dramatically in recent days, weeks, or months; than other than Trump, what else is different?

I've still got major problems, but giving Trump some credit isn't one of them. First, I'd have some respect for Trump if he would have watched the meeting this weekend and tweeted something like, "Way to go, guys!"......or, "Things are looking up, but we all need to be cautiously optimistic"....not, "NK is on its knees thanks to me"....."Look, world! I am like a god"...or whatever it was he said.

Second thing is....has the entire world lost its senses? This is still Kim Jung Un we're talking about. We don't even know what he wants...but, everybody's throwing confetti. Denuclearization? Really......and people seem to think that he is really going to offer to kill the single greatest.....maybe ONLY thing that NK claims to have accomplished in its entire history???? Every NK leader has adeptly twisted our leaders in knots without ever ceding anything substantial. If you say him on tv walking up to Moon and shaking hands and thought that a new era in NK approach to the world has changed....well, you may be surprised to learn that 'gullible' isn't really in the dictionary
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Quote:
SEOUL, April 30 (Reuters) - South Korean President Moon Jae-in said U.S. President Donald Trump should win a Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts to end the standoff with North Korea over its nuclear weapons program, a South Korean official said on Monday.

"President Trump should win the Nobel Peace Prize. What we need is only peace," Moon told a cabinet meeting, according to a presidential Blue House official who briefed media.


https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/04/30/trump-should-win-the-nobel-peace-prize-says-south-koreas-moon-jae-in/23423438/

Imagine that. First Turnbull giving Trump credit, and now Moon saying that Trump should win the Nobel Peace Prize. Yet I still see that a majority on the left flat out refuse to give Trump any credit whatsoever.

David (dpnewell)

Mrs. dpnewell Offline
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^^Dave, points taken on both Trump and Kim. Trump does tend to have "diarrhea of the mouth" more often then not. I am surprised that someone in his administration hasn't already closed down his Twitter account. I believe his constant tweets do far more damage then good.

I'm not a real big Trump supporter. He does and says many things that disturb and anger me. But since right now my only choice is Trump or the left, I'm stuck with Trump.

David (dpnewell)



tailgater Offline
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It's like that show on the food network.
The azzhole dude comes in to a failing restaurant and starts yelling at everybody. Tells them they're stupid and doing it wrong. He insults them and belittles them.
It's good drama.
But at the end of the show the restaurant that was about to fail is suddenly making a profit.

Nobody would want to work for that guy on a long term basis.
But his methods are effective when a little jolt is needed.
Because he's not wrong.
And he doesn't let hurt feelings get in the way of progress.







dstieger Offline
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Never seen the show...or even the Food Network...but makes sense....certainly in the short term -- what are longer term success rates? And, I wonder if it would be possible to get a sense for impact of the azzboss on longetivity
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I like the analogy... ThumpUp
tailgater Offline
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You like the anal what?

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