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Trump: Peace maker
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#51 Posted:
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^^^Kitchen Nightmares with Gordon Ramsey. Production stopped in '14.

Good analogy, though. So, does that mean that if Trump gets the country running properly, we then kick him out for a nicer guy/gal/transgender/gender neutral/dog/cat/alien......?

David (dpnewell)
Cathcam13 Offline
#52 Posted:
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Who cares? All the President is anymore is a figure head. I say we push a bill through that sets term limits on the senate and House. Then push another bill through that limits their pay to that of a lance corporal.
Cathcam13 Offline
#53 Posted:
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See how quickly this nation winds up in the green.......
dstieger Offline
#54 Posted:
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I worked for two different organizations that had tough guys come in. (only 200-400 'employees', not 300 million, so I don't know if the anal works well here.)

First was place that was having serious problems; morale, competence, safety, etc. New guy brought unforgiving, austere, take-no-prisoners mentality. Everyone hated it, but the organization was turned around in less than six months - the guy was replaced with a more 'normal' leader -- the changes was planned as temporary from the start -- and things were good for a number of years. Workers embraced the professionalism and increased productivity and sense of quality.

Second place was mid to high performing when the new boss arrived with lofty goals for the organization and even loftier ambition for himself. We rocketed to the top very quickly, but at the expense of a lot of great talent and permanent damage to morale and culture. As soon as the guy left after a couple years, I think, the place went down fast. Not that it could have sustained the beatdowns and micromanagement much longer, even if he'd stayed.

No comment on presidency...really....just thinking about the restaurant thing

I guess that in my experience, getting the organization on board with tough boss' plans probably requires a fair amount of respect, even if he's widely disliked....not sure Trump is going to get there.

I also think that the nation is a pretty low point of patisanship, not just of our leadership, but of the population. One of Trump's signature management techniques is pitting under-management against each other -- competition and all that....might work in business or reality tv....or even in Congress -- but, I'm dispirited by the divides opened up all over society and I do think that Trump has to accept some of the blame for that.
Phil222 Offline
#55 Posted:
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Cathcam13 wrote:
Who cares? All the President is anymore is a figure head. I say we push a bill through that sets term limits on the senate and House. Then push another bill through that limits their pay to that of a lance corporal.


I wish what you said here was true, but the size and scope of the modern presidency is far more than that of just a figurehead. We see this regularly in things like war, executive orders, etc. The scope of the presidency has far exceeded our founder’s wildest dreams.

I agree that term limits could be beneficial in all walks of government. Does anyone know why Supreme Court Justices serve for life? I have heard people say it’s so they can do their job without fear of being replaced. Must be nice...
Cathcam13 Offline
#56 Posted:
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Let me re-phrase that, should be that of a figure head........
Cathcam13 Offline
#57 Posted:
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Executive orders should be unconstitutional
Ewok126 Offline
#58 Posted:
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I always seem to perform better and loved working in places that had unforgiving or "austere" type mentality. Due to the fact that people as a whole tend to take the path of least resistance they don't typically follow the rules, give an inch they take a mile. Its ok if BOB takes an hour break but you better only take 15 minutes. In the type of environment you are describing it is not long before the Riffraff is out the door, the staff that is left follow the rules and treatment is typically equal across the board for all. When you get a group like that they tend to start "Owning" or as you say "Staff tends to embrace their professionalism and have a huge sense of quality. A person starts to feel that they are part of a team and not each man for himself.

I think that is why I always loved working in the OR doing brain surgeries, spine cases and heart cases. Most surgeons have this mentality and one screw up its GTFO of my OR and dont come back "EVER" no matter what the reason for the screw up was.

No comment on the presidency here either cause it is what it is and I really don't give a chit about that. My not giving a chit is due to people have run it in the ground so much now its worse than hearing the one song playing on the radio over and over and my eyes glaze over and my brain starts thinking about basket weaving.
Cathcam13 Offline
#59 Posted:
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Now, with that being said, if he signed one that gave me the right to kick back and smoke a cigar in the middle of my work day, Without worries of repercussions, I would definitely not be against it.
Ewok126 Offline
#60 Posted:
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^^^
Heck yeah, That would move my respect meter up a little bit for sure.
Phil222 Offline
#61 Posted:
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#59 Ha!! We should lobby for that one.
Ewok126 Offline
#62 Posted:
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Phil222 wrote:
#59 Ha!! We should lobby for that one.


That and a Tiki bar on every job site. A good during lunch drink makes everyone happy! Drool
RMAN4443 Offline
#63 Posted:
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Ewok126 wrote:
That and a Tiki bar on every job site. A good during lunch drink makes everyone happy! Drool

https://youtu.be/jIky9KbaWc4

enjoy Applause
Ewok126 Offline
#64 Posted:
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Thank God the Tiki Torch still shines! Applause

Appreciate the link. Very good indeed! Beer
frankj1 Offline
#65 Posted:
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RMAN4443 wrote:
https://youtu.be/jIky9KbaWc4

enjoy Applause

seen him a few times, not recently.
been a fan for a long time.
teedubbya Offline
#66 Posted:
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Good job goldie
delta1 Offline
#67 Posted:
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"eff em...I don't want no stinkin Nobel Prize anyway!!!" Trump


dude defaulted ....again......I hafta be more careful extending any more credit to him...
Brewha Offline
#68 Posted:
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Wait....is “peace maker” a ***** grab thing?
Speyside Offline
#69 Posted:
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Perspective?

Any new comments?
banderl Offline
#70 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Wait....is “peace maker” a ***** grab thing?



No, that's a piece taker.

In another surprising development, the orange f**ktard got played by another despot with a similar BMI.
Brewha Offline
#71 Posted:
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Thank you for the clarity of thought Bander.

I feel enlightened.....
Brewha Offline
#72 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
Perspective?

Any new comments?

Honestly - What can one say?

Trump is the very portrait of a self serving opportunist. Yet his lovers would paint him as a “peace maker”.....

So it goes.
DrafterX Offline
#73 Posted:
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And what did Obama do to earn the Peace prize..?? Think
Brewha Offline
#74 Posted:
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I think it was selling all those blue hats that read “Make Peace Great Again”.....
delta1 Offline
#75 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
And what did Obama do to earn the Peace prize..?? Think


something about a Tour of some kind...people around the world kinda liked an American President who didn't seem so hawkish, and talked about nuclear non-prolifereration...
DrafterX Offline
#76 Posted:
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He was just kiddin.. Mellow
delta1 Offline
#77 Posted:
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The Peace Maker has changed his tune about immediate and total denuclearization being the goal, and that this is a process... and that our idea of denuclearization may be different from KJU's...the June 12 Summit in Singapore is the first step in what could be a long process...

Is Trump starting to get the hang of diplomacy?

One good sign is that KJU has replaced his three top military commanders, all considered veteran hard-liners...

hope springs eternal...
MACS Offline
#78 Posted:
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/12/trump-to-hannity-kim-jong-un-to-start-denuclearization-virtually-immediately.html

Huh... looks like NK has agreed to denuclearization.
Buckwheat Offline
#79 Posted:
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teedubbya Offline
#80 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/12/trump-to-hannity-kim-jong-un-to-start-denuclearization-virtually-immediately.html

Huh... looks like NK has agreed to denuclearization.


Again? Cool. I hope it takes this time. Does it allow for a Hans Blix type to verify it?
frankj1 Offline
#81 Posted:
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finally! somewhere to send those boxes of food we had packed for poor folk in 'merica!
tailgater Offline
#82 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
finally! somewhere to send those boxes of food we had packed for poor folk in 'merica!


You sure are fickle.

Good thing your tripod leaves no question as to your gender, lest I go all samantha bee on ya.


dstieger Offline
#83 Posted:
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I think China is the big winner of this round; Cancellation of planned and future exercises with South Korea? Really? "Expensive and provocative" ?!?!?!?!?

That is a monster 'give'
Buckwheat Offline
#84 Posted:
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Here's a link to the full text of what they signed. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44453330

No details on what and/or how they are going to do anything. As I said before; I'm hopeful and cautiously optimistic. fog
ZRX1200 Offline
#85 Posted:
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Popcorn
ZRX1200 Offline
#86 Posted:
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CBS morning news apparently has just now become aware of Korean human rights issues... and they're really upset about flags being neighbors.

Fking hilarious.
bs_kwaj Offline
#87 Posted:
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Yeah. what about all those people and families lil' Kim has murdered??

Or was all that just propaganda so we could bomb the **** out of him and keep the military industrial complex alive?

Think

BigGrin

Beer

EDIT: oh.. and saw the link to 'The Worm' crying... but couldn't bring myself around to watch it. ;-0
HuckFinn Offline
#88 Posted:
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The closest any American president came to accepting a sit-down with the North Koreans was Clinton. He rejected the idea after his secretary of state saw it was bs.


It's a big deal to the North Koreans. It validates/empowers them.



No other potus would have met with this butcher.

But I'm sure it will look good (wait, maybe the mid-term elections had something to do with it?) to all those already enamored and hypnotized by King Donald the Orange.
DrafterX Offline
#89 Posted:
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Yes, we shoulda just waited until a rogue rocket took out Tokyo before we did anything... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#90 Posted:
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I'm not necessarily against this meeting... And I haven't decided yet if it was a success or a failure or a... Meh... But the meeting hasn't really given any indication of reducing the chance of a rogue rocket taking out Tokyo.... I think that's still a chance.
DrafterX Offline
#91 Posted:
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They are dismantling a rocket engine test station... So ya, that could increase the likelihood I guess.. Mellow
victor809 Offline
#92 Posted:
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....the test site they blew up a couple weeks ago?

Reports indicated that may have already been damaged.
DrafterX Offline
#93 Posted:
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Sounded like a different place... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#94 Posted:
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I can't find anything on a quick Google... But may be blending two reports in my head
DrafterX Offline
#95 Posted:
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I heard Google hates Trump... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#96 Posted:
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Well... Google is an information provider... Trump is like the opposite of information....
victor809 Offline
#97 Posted:
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To be fair to trump, he didn't really do anything terrible here.

The document they signed didn't really commit either north Korea or the USA to anything... The denuclearization wording was vague and non-committal, and trump didn't give anything up for it.

His statement that a war games will stop is a concession... But it isn't written down anywhere, so he could technically walk that back, especially if Un doesnt do anything with the nonspecific denuclearization.

Not a huge loss. North Korea got their meeting with the US. But I don't see that as the bad thing others see it as. I wouldn't have been upset at Obama for meeting with n Korea.

Now if only he weren't such a train wreck with our actual allies.
tailgater Offline
#98 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:
The closest any American president came to accepting a sit-down with the North Koreans was Clinton. He rejected the idea after his secretary of state saw it was bs.


It's a big deal to the North Koreans. It validates/empowers them.



No other potus would have met with this butcher.

But I'm sure it will look good (wait, maybe the mid-term elections had something to do with it?) to all those already enamored and hypnotized by King Donald the Orange.


Just when you thought there was a finite limit to partisan BS, Huck strikes again.

Here's the deal:

OF COURSE there is risk the NK will break promises.
Or they could be just looking to feel "legitimate" on the world stage.

If this were easy, Obamy could have done it.

But the risk is small compared to the gain if NK de-nukes even a portion of their arsenal.

To think otherwise is just myopic hatred of our President.

tailgater Offline
#99 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Well... Google is an information provider... Trump is like the opposite of information....



I saw it coming.
And it was still funny.

Well played, sir.

Buckwheat Offline
#100 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Well... Google is an information provider... Trump is like the opposite of information....


"Information is not knowledge. The only source of knowledge is experience. You need experience to gain wisdom." - Albert Einstein fog
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