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frankj1 Offline
#101 Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2018, 12:50 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
You sure are fickle.

Good thing your tripod leaves no question as to your gender, lest I go all samantha bee on ya.



what...
our poor won't eat that crap.
delta1 Offline
#102 Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2018, 12:53 PM EST
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experts, former ambassadors and NK intelligence people, say the document signed is basically the one SK President Moon and KJU signed at their meeting in April...only thing we've gained is a commitment by KJU and Trump to continue the dialog and a willingness to establish a peaceful relationship...

who cares if this is like negotiating with a terrorist or welcoming one of the Axis of Evil into the brotherhood...Nixon proved that face-to -face talks with a monster (Mao), as did Carter by meeting with Arafat, that something positive can be gained...if nothing else, a reduction of hostilities that could lead to war...

Over-all, better than nothing...we are all better off than the predicament we were in 8-10 months ago when NK was doing missile tests and Trump was threatening fire and fury...we'll know how "honorable" KJU is in the next few years...

Trump deserves some credit for his part...
HuckFinn Offline
#103 Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2018, 1:08 PM EST
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Removing troops from the Korean Peninsula, alienating allies with trade wars and insults are part of Trump's agenda of neo-isolationism.

Sure, if the South Koreans don't kick in more money for our 28,000 troops to remain in the Korean Peninsula we'll leave, save 800 million and the North will likey as they did before, move on the South. Our problem? Not in China's opinion probably.

Isolationism leads to world wars. Agreed it sounds good but only on paper.
As horrible as the U.N., NATO and the WTO might be they've kept the peace for 70 years.

Maybe they have modern history audible books Donald can listen to.
ZRX1200 Offline
#104 Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2018, 1:42 PM EST
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Just when you think you'll never read anything dumber here.
dstieger Offline
#105 Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2018, 1:57 PM EST
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Z...a little trick I learned on how to keep that record intact: "Hide User Posts"
ZRX1200 Offline
#106 Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2018, 2:39 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:






Huh?
dstieger Offline
#107 Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2018, 2:42 PM EST
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sniff sniff....nobody ever listens to me...in my rugbiest Victor voice
victor809 Offline
#108 Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2018, 2:50 PM EST
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Your voice is way too high pitched to sound like me.:)
HuckFinn Offline
#109 Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2018, 2:55 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Your voice is way too high pitched to sound like me.:)

Camping will do that to ya
ZRX1200 Offline
#110 Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2018, 3:00 PM EST
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#102 Delta.....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WhZ2jFiebDU

Then

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OhzLDQLztOU

And it's the same? LMMFAO at fake news.

I sure hope it takes, the people of Korea sure deserve something better with each other and their neighbors.
delta1 Offline
#111 Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2018, 4:47 PM EST
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when you stop laughing, take a look at these, and compare...


an article that details the agreement signed by SK/Moon and NK/KJU in April 2018...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/north-south-korea-denuclearization-agreement/



an article that describes what Trump and KJU agreed to on June 12, 2018

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/north-korea-summit-agreement-trump-kim-jong-un-signed-meeting-singapore-today-2018-06-12/


both are largely symbolic and "hope to accomplish"

1) peaceful relations between the nations,
2) de-nuclearization of the peninsula...but no details
3) re-unify families (SK) and remains (US/MIAs)

Your turn...how are they different...


Make no mistake...we are all better off with the two talking and trying to make a deal...the alternative was truly frightening for people in that part of the world...
fiddler898 Offline
#112 Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2018, 5:02 PM EST
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Trump got tooled.
delta1 Offline
#113 Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2018, 5:25 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
You like the anal what?



the anal and the ob/gyn
ZRX1200 Offline
#114 Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2018, 7:16 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
when you stop laughing, take a look at these, and compare...


an article that details the agreement signed by SK/Moon and NK/KJU in April 2018...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/north-south-korea-denuclearization-agreement/



an article that describes what Trump and KJU agreed to on June 12, 2018

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/north-korea-summit-agreement-trump-kim-jong-un-signed-meeting-singapore-today-2018-06-12/


both are largely symbolic and "hope to accomplish"

1) peaceful relations between the nations,
2) de-nuclearization of the peninsula...but no details
3) re-unify families (SK) and remains (US/MIAs)

Your turn...how are they different...


Make no mistake...we are all better off with the two talking and trying to make a deal...the alternative was truly frightening for people in that part of the world...



Al, buddy....pal......I think I've agrees with everyone of your posts in this thread. My reaction was from listening to the media....and reading what you said.
MACS Offline
#115 Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2018, 8:24 PM EST
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fiddler898 wrote:
Trump got tooled.


But the Obama Iran deal was legit, right?

You're so predictable. TDS fuh sho, fuh sho!
frankj1 Offline
#116 Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2018, 9:27 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
But the Obama Iran deal was legit, right?

You're so predictable. TDS fuh sho, fuh sho!

that's not the name of that deal...how many countries?
how many are still in?
MACS Offline
#117 Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2018, 10:32 PM EST
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They're not US.
frankj1 Offline
#118 Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2018, 7:42 AM EST
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we are not an island
MACS Offline
#119 Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2018, 8:45 AM EST
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Correct, but are you going to pay more for a car just to make friends with the dealer?

Hell no. A business deal, a trade deal, a peace deal... all have one thing in common. In order for them to be "good", both sides have to walk away with some sort of "win". That was no win for us.

I am not condoning his methods, but I am happy that we finally have someone willing to say that we are not the world's bank any more. I'd love it if he said... we ain't making "friendship payments" any more. At least not until we're in the black, and even then... it has to be beneficial to US, too.
HuckFinn Offline
#120 Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2018, 9:01 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Z...a little trick I learned on how to keep that record intact: "Hide User Posts"

I know what I know
I’ll sing what I said
We come and we go
That’s a thing that I keep
In the back of my head

Pantywaist, so if you have me blocked how'd you know who z was referring to?

Yeah, you're not passive-aggressive. You had to post that in the thread and not pm.

Or maybe you wanted your friend there z to know you "had his back".

Smiling.

Oh damn, you can't read this. ****.
victor809 Offline
#121 Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2018, 9:27 AM EST
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MACS. You speak as if you've already proven that the deals we had , peace, or trade, were bad.
I don't believe that has been established yet.
Abrignac Offline
#122 Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2018, 11:33 AM EST
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Dialog is a bad thing?
victor809 Offline
#123 Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2018, 11:57 AM EST
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I don't think anyone has said it is.



.... Well.... Huck may have....
frankj1 Offline
#124 Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2018, 1:15 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Correct, but are you going to pay more for a car just to make friends with the dealer?

Hell no. A business deal, a trade deal, a peace deal... all have one thing in common. In order for them to be "good", both sides have to walk away with some sort of "win". That was no win for us.

I am not condoning his methods, but I am happy that we finally have someone willing to say that we are not the world's bank any more. I'd love it if he said... we ain't making "friendship payments" any more. At least not until we're in the black, and even then... it has to be beneficial to US, too.

Victor beat me to it, but I also don't have the info you seem so sure of to denounce these complicated deals.
Not saying you aren't correct, just have no idea what it's based on...yet.

I do know I am uneasy about tossing over and saying highly insulting things about several countries we know would be on our side if the worst happened, while bestowing heaps of praise on two of the most ruthless dictators.

I also know I am uneasy about what promises from US will mean in the future. I doubt you want to be know as untrustworty either.

and tail, my buddy, let me stop you before you start with group mind reading and source citing as influencing my addled brain. These are values to me, as a proud American. Even if Trump had never existed...yet I am still willing to wait and see.
But I am, so far, uneasy.
victor809 Offline
#125 Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2018, 1:32 PM EST
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I do find it odd that I've now seen two people use the "buying a car" analogy for Trump's"negotiating style"... I wonder if this was some right wing talking point somewhere.
DrafterX Offline
#126 Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2018, 1:40 PM EST
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I prolly woulda seen it... Mellow
RMAN4443 Offline
#127 Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2018, 1:46 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I do find it odd that I've now seen two people use the "buying a car" analogy for Trump's"negotiating style"... I wonder if this was some right wing talking point somewhere.

I just saw Mac's comment here....Mac's comment had no influence on my comment as I made it before I saw this post.

I have no idea about right wing talking points, as I am not (or do not consider myself right wing)…..I'm more than capable of having my own thoughts
DrafterX Offline
#128 Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2018, 1:48 PM EST
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The mind is a terrible thing... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#129 Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2018, 4:03 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I do find it odd that I've now seen two people use the "buying a car" analogy for Trump's"negotiating style"... I wonder if this was some right wing talking point somewhere.

Trump may have mentioned steel in the building of cars a long while ago...which struck me as odd back then since car manufacturing, like some other industries, are totally global now. And mostly for the better of us all.

Some of the best BMW's are assembled in America...just for example, and some domestic brands are assembled elsewhere, and many raw materials that become parts have proven to be more cheaply sourced from several countries as well, including shipping costs. All in all, it seems to have made for better, longer lasting automobiles in all price levels.

Seems like a fair deal?
DrafterX Offline
#130 Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2018, 4:23 PM EST
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$80,000 for a new F-250 fair..?? Think
delta1 Offline
#131 Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2018, 4:45 PM EST
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I'm a little amused at my con friends...just saw a spot on a LWM channel that showed past clips of the outrage on Fox News over Obama's meeting with the thuggish dictating oppressor of his people Raul Castro, and the chorus of FOX naysayers who were outraged when Obama said he'd be willing to have a dialog with KJU, Assad, the Iranian President and any other leader of a nation despite their terrorist, oppressive backgrounds...

Then they showed the same talking heads fawning over Trump's special place in history and the momentous accomplishment for shaking hands with and starting a dialog with the same murderous Axis of Evil leader who a few years ago wasn't worthy of a meeting with a US President...

Then they had a R congressman on, heaping praise on Trump...the same guy who chewed Obama a new one for meeting with Castro...silly guy twisted himself into a pretzel trying to distinguish the two...

Then there was the post summit interview where Trump basked in the glow of his engagement with KJU and said,"I may stand before you in six months and make some kind of excuse" for why we didn't get anything done...all while news filtered out that he gave in to KJU's request to suspend military drills with SK.........smh
ZRX1200 Offline
#132 Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2018, 5:33 PM EST
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For 6 months.....
frankj1 Offline
#133 Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2018, 6:10 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
$80,000 for a new F-250 fair..?? Think

get me the dealer's invoice and I can answer you....

as you know, there is no such thing as MSRP so don't waste time with that or discounts from that.
What did the dealer pay for that vehicle?
DrafterX Offline
#134 Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2018, 6:22 PM EST
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True.. true.. but I'm not really in the market.. just an observation... Maybe next year but I'll be shopping for somethin a few years old.. Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#135 Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2018, 6:43 PM EST
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did you really see that truck for 80K?
or just funnin' me?
MACS Offline
#136 Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2018, 7:57 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
I just saw Mac's comment here....Mac's comment had no influence on my comment as I made it before I saw this post.

I have no idea about right wing talking points, as I am not (or do not consider myself right wing)…..I'm more than capable of having my own thoughts


Ditto... I used that because it's a deal I assume we're all familiar with.

First car I bought (I was 21) I got effed in every way they could have effed me on that deal. I thought it was good until someone showed me it was not. I educated myself, and I have since bought many cars and got a fair deal on each.

To be fair (Victor and Frank) I obviously don't have any more info than you do, and I am perhaps guilty of mixing my thoughts and ideas on "fair trade" deals and us giving money to our allies... for nothing. My apologies for the confusion.
MACS Offline
#137 Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2018, 7:59 PM EST
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RE: 131

Al, I was totally in favor of normalized relations with Cuba. Still am... and was looking forward to a visit to their many rolling factories. That embargo has helped nobody.
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#138 Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2018, 8:30 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Ditto... I used that because it's a deal I assume we're all familiar with.

First car I bought (I was 21) I got effed in every way they could have effed me on that deal. I thought it was good until someone showed me it was not. I educated myself, and I have since bought many cars and got a fair deal on each.

To be fair (Victor and Frank) I obviously don't have any more info than you do, and I am perhaps guilty of mixing my thoughts and ideas on "fair trade" deals and us giving money to our allies... for nothing. My apologies for the confusion.

I kinda like that you have emotion about our country.
MACS Offline
#139 Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2018, 8:36 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I kinda like that you have emotion about our country.


20 years in the service may do that to you... I am happy to report that the vast majority of my coworkers now are also quite conservative. Angel
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#140 Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2018, 8:40 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
20 years in the service may do that to you... I am happy to report that the vast majority of my coworkers now are also quite conservative. Angel

while the vast majority of your "clients" on the other hand...

HA!
delta1 Offline
#141 Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2018, 8:49 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
RE: 131

Al, I was totally in favor of normalized relations with Cuba. Still am... and was looking forward to a visit to their many rolling factories. That embargo has helped nobody.


Me too...hope we can get it done sooner rather than later....they are still letting in some US citizens, but with restrictions based on purpose for visit. The educational purpose is still legit... maybe we can enroll in a CC somewhere to get student status, and then apply for a visa to study their cigar industry....seems that individual travel is somewhat restricted...so traveling with established organized groups is the way to go.
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#142 Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2018, 9:40 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
did you really see that truck for 80K?
or just funnin' me?



https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-2018-Ford-F-250-Super-Duty-Lariat-Crew-Cab-4WD-t74193

Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#143 Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2018, 10:10 PM EST
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only looked at page 1 of 134.
didn't see it at 80K, but I wouldn't be buying a car that way in any event...but I'm an old school negotiator with modern info.

any idea what people normally pay? I doubt trade agreements have as much influence hear as unscrupulous predators selling vehicles do.
DrafterX Offline
#144 Posted: Thu, Jun 14 2018, 6:49 AM EST
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Gotta sort high to low prices...

I'm sure they can be bought cheaper but it's still a lot more money than 20 years ago...d'oh!
HuckFinn Offline
#145 Posted: Thu, Jun 14 2018, 7:51 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Gotta sort high to low prices...

I'm sure they can be bought cheaper but it's still a lot more money than 20 years ago...d'oh!

And they used to have ashtrays.
Burner02 Offline
#146 Posted: Thu, Jun 14 2018, 8:55 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I kinda like that you have emotion about our country.



Really a shame that more have not had or taken the opportunity to serve their country. More serving would not mean a country full of conservatives, but rather more American’s who appreciate those freedoms and rights taken for granted by so many. When one serves one comes to understand the meaning of sacrifice for others and country.
frankj1 Offline
#147 Posted: Thu, Jun 14 2018, 12:54 PM EST
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Burner02 wrote:
Really a shame that more have not had or taken the opportunity to serve their country. More serving would not mean a country full of conservatives, but rather more American’s who appreciate those freedoms and rights taken for granted by so many. When one serves one comes to understand the meaning of sacrifice for others and country.




I did not serve, yet I truly appreciate the wording you chose and agree.
Thank you.
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#148 Posted: Thu, Jun 14 2018, 1:53 PM EST
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Burner02 wrote:
Really a shame that more have not had or taken the opportunity to serve their country. More serving would not mean a country full of conservatives, but rather more American’s who appreciate those freedoms and rights taken for granted by so many. When one serves one comes to understand the meaning of sacrifice for others and country.




I did not serve. All through HS, every guy I knew had one question in the back of his mind. After graduation, would we find ourselves on the way to Nam? Saigon fell 2 weeks before graduation. After years of dreading Vietnam, I had no interest in the military. I now regret that I did not serve. Over the years I have come to appreciate and respect the sacrifice made by many. I do not take our freedoms and rights for granted, and am very thankful to those who gave so much to defend them.

David (dpnewell)
dstieger Offline
#149 Posted: Thu, Jun 14 2018, 2:03 PM EST
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Burner02 wrote:
Really a shame that more have not had or taken the opportunity to serve their country. More serving would not mean a country full of conservatives, but rather more American’s who appreciate those freedoms and rights taken for granted by so many. When one serves one comes to understand the meaning of sacrifice for others and country.






I agree....and my headstrong libertarian side wrestles with the fact that I'd be ok with some sort of compulsory service --- wouldn't have to be military necessarily, but could alternatively be some sort of domestic 'Peace Corps-like' service -- maybe 2 years that must start between 18-20...I might even allow LDS'ers to count their missions as checking the box...maybe
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#150 Posted: Thu, Jun 14 2018, 2:23 PM EST
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Frank and David,

I was not saying that everyone should serve but come to think of it probably not a bad idea. Seriously, I have been around the block enough times to know there are many, many individuals that did not serve that do have a grasp on what our liberties and rights mean and cost but many do not.

Was not casting stones at anyone individual, just making an opinionated statement.
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