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Stormy Daniels debacle . . .
bs_kwaj Offline
#1 Posted:
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Let him, who is without sin... cast the first stone. BigGrin

And all of the other Presidents were sinless, eh?


Beer

Speyside Offline
#2 Posted:
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The one night stand, who cares, no big deal. The lies, not a criminal act. How the money was reimbursed to Cohen, could be a big deal or not. Being lied to a big deal or not depending on your point of view.
rfenst Offline
#3 Posted:
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This is going to turn into a royal mess for Trump. My wife thinks Melania will eventually dump him.
bgz Offline
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I don't know why he even tries to hide it. "Have you ever banged a pornstar?" should be a standard question on all job applications.

That automatically increases the candidates "cool factor" when checked!
Buckwheat Offline
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bs_kwaj wrote:
Let him, who is without sin... cast the first stone. BigGrin

And all of the other Presidents were sinless, eh?


Beer



That is not a defense nor an excuse for his actions and repeatedly lying about it. fog
Gene363 Offline
#6 Posted:
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At least it wasn't a creepy age difference, it occurred before becoming POTUS, he paid for the service and not in the oval office.
gummy jones Offline
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I assume infidelity has never been his strong point. I think it's unbecoming. incredibly immoral. I also think its pretty common (unfortunately) in America and more so amongst celebrities and elites.

As far as the media and left's and never trump efforts to make it a really big deal - predictable. Anything to not give any credit for some of the legitimate accomplishments of this administration.

As less comes out of the Russia stuff we will hear more about this and whatever the next "outrage of the week" becomes.

gummy jones Offline
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above should say "fidelity" not infidelity

Or the sentence should state "we know infidelity has always been his strong point"
RMAN4443 Offline
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gummy jones wrote:
I assume infidelity has never been his strong point. I think it's unbecoming. incredibly immoral. I also think its pretty common (unfortunately) in America and more so amongst celebrities and elites.

As far as the media and left's and never trump efforts to make it a really big deal - predictable. Anything to not give any credit for some of the legitimate accomplishments of this administration.

As less comes out of the Russia stuff we will hear more about this and whatever the next "outrage of the week" becomes.



Bang Bang Bang........that's hitting the nail on the head......Trump could cure cancer today and people with TDR would be outraged that it wasn't done last week
dstieger Offline
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If it is no BFD, then perhaps, Trump and Cohen shouldn't have lied about it....and then lied about their lies....and paid off Daniels.

I really don't think it should have been any big deal, either. But, I have no trouble envisioning a scenario in which one or both is found guilty of campaign finance laws -- and then the Trumpettes will call it a witch hunt....or analogous to jaywalking...or whatever....as crazy as impeachment talk sounds to us, it is going to gain traction and maybe support simply because they tried to cover up and lie about stupid chit like this. I've been one of the biggest eye-rollers at all the talk about Trump's lying --- mostly because he's so good at avoiding truth without actually lying -- rare is the case when analysis of his words will get you an outright lie. It was bound to catch up to him.

By the way, who's side is Giuliani on?
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RMAN4443 wrote:
Bang Bang Bang........that's hitting the nail on the head......Trump could cure cancer today and people with TDR would be outraged that it wasn't done last week

reminds me of a post I wrote several years ago in which I said if Obama found a cure for cancer and it would cost one dollar per patient, Congress (at that time) would refuse to fund it.


plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose. or something like that.
dstieger Offline
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frankj1 wrote:


plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose. or something like that.



Pacman would be so proud
frankj1 Offline
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Gene363 wrote:
At least it wasn't a creepy age difference, it occurred before becoming POTUS, he paid for the service and not in the oval office.

not a creepy age difference, like with the playboy models?
I take comfort in knowing he's a higher level immoral creep.
Gene, I keed, I keed

but what has always stumped me is the staunch support from the Moral Right Wing. His "flaws" were well known prior to his campaign. None of this unsavory stuff should be a surprise, but should be scorned by the Holy Rollers.
Gene363 Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
not a creepy age difference, like with the playboy models?
I take comfort in knowing he's a higher level immoral creep.
Gene, I keed, I keed

but what has always stumped me is the staunch support from the Moral Right Wing. His "flaws" were well known prior to his campaign. None of this unsavory stuff should be a surprise, but should be scorned by the Holy Rollers.


There is no substantial "higher moral ground' in this comparison, there is a distinction between seducing a 22 year old intern and paying a professional sex worker.
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Gene363 wrote:
There is no substantial "higher moral ground' in this comparison, there is a distinction between seducing a 22 year old intern and paying a professional sex worker.

paying a hooker is not what happened, unless she takes payments a decade later.

and we just learned today Trump actually did make the payment, not for services rendered, ...something I did not know at the time of my previous post.


Gene363 Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
paying a hooker is not what happened, unless she takes payments a decade later.

and we just learned today Trump actually did make the payment, not for services rendered, ...something I did not know at the time of my previous post.





Meh, tempest in a teacup.
frankj1 Offline
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Gene363 wrote:
Meh, tempest in a teacup.

oh, I am not in a state of disbelief, nor am I happy. I have more issues with far Right Wing religious zealots shrugging off this behavior that they would condemn a liberal for as sin.

for them, it didn't happen in office nor in the Oval Offfice, evidently a greater immorality than repeated infidelity followed by payoff/bribes to cover up followed by conspiring with an attorney to deny, a moral distinction made by these hypocrites.

I believe I know immoral behavior when I see it and he is a repeat offender...office holder or not.

These supporter have sold out.
tailgater Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
reminds me of a post I wrote several years ago in which I said if Obama found a cure for cancer and it would cost one dollar per patient, Congress (at that time) would refuse to fund it.





They had to pass the bill so they could find out what's in it...
frankj1 Offline
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shaddup, you!
tailgater Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
oh, I am not in a state of disbelief, nor am I happy. I have more issues with far Right Wing religious zealots shrugging off this behavior that they would condemn a liberal for as sin.

for them, it didn't happen in office nor in the Oval Offfice, evidently a greater immorality than repeated infidelity followed by payoff/bribes to cover up followed by conspiring with an attorney to deny, a moral distinction made by these hypocrites.

I believe I know immoral behavior when I see it and he is a repeat offender...office holder or not.

These supporter have sold out.


Kennedy
Johnson
Clinton

Dogs.

Clinton was accused of rape.

Trump "allegedly" porked a whore. 12 years ago.
She was "allegedly" paid off to shut her come dumpster pie hole.

Lies?
You bet they're a big deal.

But we only get to the lies because of the hypocrites who voted for Clinton and attacked Trump.
frankj1 Offline
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tailgater wrote:
Kennedy
Johnson
Clinton

Dogs.

Clinton was accused of rape.

Trump "allegedly" porked a whore. 12 years ago.
She was "allegedly" paid off to shut her come dumpster pie hole.

Lies?
You bet they're a big deal.

But we only get to the lies because of the hypocrites who voted for Clinton and attacked Trump.

why leave off GOP cheaters?

It's likely that in my lifetime only two POTUS's were faithful husbands, Ford and Carter.

if you were not on the Huckapoo/Sandbagger payroll, you'd admit that 98.2% odds Trump has outdogged all of them is accurate.

Love the " " around alleged, and the implication she's the only one.

I wish Spicer was still here...he'd throw up and quit again.
.
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Gene363 wrote:
There is no substantial "higher moral ground' in this comparison, there is a distinction between seducing a 22 year old intern and paying a professional sex worker.


And then lying about it to a grand jury.
Gene363 Offline
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Krazeehorse wrote:
And then lying about it to a grand jury.


There is that too. That said, Trump is not a Clinton with regard to the FBI with hunt.
Gene363 Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
oh, I am not in a state of disbelief, nor am I happy. I have more issues with far Right Wing religious zealots shrugging off this behavior that they would condemn a liberal for as sin.

for them, it didn't happen in office nor in the Oval Offfice, evidently a greater immorality than repeated infidelity followed by payoff/bribes to cover up followed by conspiring with an attorney to deny, a moral distinction made by these hypocrites.

I believe I know immoral behavior when I see it and he is a repeat offender...office holder or not.

These supporter have sold out.


Wouldn't it be a lot easier for you to say you hate Trump? Why bother with tortured facts, it would save you a lot of keyboard time too, i'm just saying. Beer
DrafterX Offline
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Not too many years ago old whores didn't have any credibility... Just sayin.. Mellow
Gene363 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Not too many years ago old whores didn't have any credibility... Just sayin.. Mellow


Feminine empowerment, well, unless they accuse Bill Clinton. Brick wall
frankj1 Offline
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Gene363 wrote:
Wouldn't it be a lot easier for you to say you hate Trump? Why bother with tortured facts, it would save you a lot of keyboard time too, i'm just saying. Beer

but then I'd be lying. There are very few people I sincerely hate, but there are many actions and behaviors I detest.

While the focus shifted to me, somehow I missed the defense of the Righteous Right Shrug Band...
Gene363 Offline
#28 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
but then I'd be lying. There are very few people I sincerely hate, but there are many actions and behaviors I detest.

While the focus shifted to me, somehow I missed the defense of the Righteous Right Shrug Band...


I was just trying to save you time. Beer
gummy jones Offline
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#27 what do you want people to do? No one elected him Lord, he was elected president over a lying criminal who supports abortion on demand at any time, even partial birth. You want to see evil, find some videos of that procedure. Seriously, it's worth your time. I'd still vote for Trump over hilary infinite more times. Don't misunderstand the previous sentence as rubber stamp approval of all things Trump.

Your issue is with Trump. It's pretty clear based on your volume of work.

Further, I see you have adopted the habit of marginalizing large swaths by referring to them as zealots. it's a bit disappointing. I know many of these zealots, although i call them by other names and they are the sweetest, most giving people in the world. Literally. Check the stats. They do more charitable giving than any other group and it isn't even close. (I actually ate the best baklava I've ever had last night from 3 Greek orthodox nuns - incredible women) I'm sure there are some crazies but I'd take that bunch either as a neighbor or in a foxhole over any other group. And if we were being honest, most would too.

Maybe you are only suggesting westboro Baptists and Isis et al are the zealots you refer to? Well they're really not worrying about now are they? And if you aren't then you did in fact marginalize a massive amount of people you do not know and likely have little experience with as a fringe group of crazies.

I consider myself a strong Christian and abide by that world view. I don't support almost anything Trump does socially and i don't base my morals off of any man. Would it be better if i posted a lot of hyperbole on facebook about his affairs or lost my mind and got butt hurt because some of the stuff he tweets is offensive and most of it stupid? Maybe I should call for his immediate impeachment because he had sex with some strumpet a decade ago? Or is it better to maintain my reason, appreciate some of the things he has done (especially some things with the economy, national defense, world politics, religious freedom, hopefully infrastructure, hopefully healthcare, etc) and evaluate things as they come like a grown up? He is a means to an ends in the absence of any other options.

Trump derangement syndrome is real and it has shaken people to the core. I was no fan of Obama and probably typed more disparaging things about him on the net than I should have. But my world didn't tumble to the ground like many people's has since Trump was elected. It's sad really and reflective of how fragile and fragmented we have become. And that is likely the main issue and has resulted in the inability to think critically. The people that hate everything he does assumes the other side loves everything he does when it is likely far from that simple for most normal, working Americans. Case in point Nancy Pelosi referring to the tax breaks as "crumbs" many times over. Well
if it's so insignificant why the heck has she been so reluctant to feed me those crumbs in the past, choosing rather to take similar crumbs from off my own table?

RMAN4443 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Not too many years ago old whores didn't have any credibility... Just sayin.. Mellow

When I see her on the news, she doesn't look like she made a career of playing hide the c0x for money......but I guess she wants her little girl to be proud of her for her employment choicesAnxious
dstieger Offline
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Nothing to worry about....Trump said today that "(Giuliani) will get his facts straight.".....lol
Gene363 Offline
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dstieger wrote:
Nothing to worry about....Trump said today that "(Giuliani) will get his facts straight.".....lol



LOL
tailgater Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
why leave off GOP cheaters?

It's likely that in my lifetime only two POTUS's were faithful husbands, Ford and Carter.

if you were not on the Huckapoo/Sandbagger payroll, you'd admit that 98.2% odds Trump has outdogged all of them is accurate.

Love the " " around alleged, and the implication she's the only one.

I wish Spicer was still here...he'd throw up and quit again.
.


A wealthy power hungry SOB pokes a whore a decade before he becomes a politician.

Tell me again how the angst isn't partisan.

Trump is lying?
Probably.
But to who?
It's not like the POTUS scheduled a TV interview and looked into the camera and told ME that he didn't have sexual relations with her.

I mean, that's already been done.

tailgater Offline
#34 Posted:
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And Frank.
I didn't "omit" GOP cheaters.
Just look at the list of POTUS since Kennedy.

The story lines focus on Clinton, Kennedy and Johnson. And of the 3 I bet Johnson was the biggest pig, but his circle of trust didn't have the same loose lips.

Unless Nixon pulled a Marv Albert, I don't see him gallivanting around.

I didn't include Carter nor Obama. No reason to.
So don't focus on the politics. Focus on the stories.
delta1 Offline
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"Derangement" implies a mis-alignment of some sort, a separation from a core or central base. Those on the left accused of Trump Derangement Syndrome are supposedly unhinged and have become abnormally critical of our President. I'm offering a different perspective. Libs have always been critical of GOP Presidents. Y'all haven't forgotten how much we griped about Bush, until 9/11 and the beginning of the war in the Middle East. But once it became a quagmire and evidence mounted that there were no WMD's, the criticism increased exponentially....and then Katrina...

Those with Trump Derangement Syndrome are really the cons who would not tolerate this lying, philandering, self-serving, contradictory and wildly inconsistent behavior from any past President: GOP or Dem. The cons have lost their center, wobbling off-kilter from their values without realizing it, like real deranged people...just rolling over because of the crumbs from the tax cut and the pro-business de-regulations that will cost more long term in dollars and lives than any short term gains in profits.

Yes: tax cut crumbs. Obama's two tax cuts were bigger than Trump's.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/factcheck/ct-trump-tax-cut-claim-fact-check-20171101-story.html
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
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Really Al? No WMDs in Iraq? I'm no defender of Bush, the RINO Democrat Lite, but let's not ignore facts.

NYTimes article from 10/14/2014.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html

Quote:
From 2004 to 2011, American and American-trained Iraqi troops repeatedly encountered, and on at least six occasions were wounded by, chemical weapons remaining from years earlier in Saddam Hussein’s rule.
In all, American troops secretly reported finding roughly 5,000 chemical warheads, shells or aviation bombs......

......more than 2,400 nerve-agent rockets unearthed in 2006 at a former Republican Guard compound.


Bush could have announced these finds and vindicated himself, but he was more concerned that if this was revealed, terrorist organizations would start searching for ones the US hadn't found yet. There where also reports that many of Irag's operational chemical weapons where snuck into Syria right before the invasion.

Katrina? Yes that was a Federal cluster f*ck, but Governor Blanco and Mayor Nagin also contributed to the problems.

".....tax cut and pro-business de-regulations that will cost more long term in dollars and lives...." Hyperbole, or do you actually believe the tax cuts and de-regulations are going to kill people?

"Obama's two tax cuts were bigger than Trump's." Yet you conveniently forgot about the ACA. Arguably the largest middle class tax increase in decades.

David (dpnewell)
frankj1 Offline
#37 Posted:
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gummy jones wrote:
#27 what do you want people to do? No one elected him Lord, he was elected president over a lying criminal who supports abortion on demand at any time, even partial birth. You want to see evil, find some videos of that procedure. Seriously, it's worth your time. I'd still vote for Trump over hilary infinite more times. Don't misunderstand the previous sentence as rubber stamp approval of all things Trump.

Your issue is with Trump. It's pretty clear based on your volume of work.

Further, I see you have adopted the habit of marginalizing large swaths by referring to them as zealots. it's a bit disappointing. I know many of these zealots, although i call them by other names and they are the sweetest, most giving people in the world. Literally. Check the stats. They do more charitable giving than any other group and it isn't even close. (I actually ate the best baklava I've ever had last night from 3 Greek orthodox nuns - incredible women) I'm sure there are some crazies but I'd take that bunch either as a neighbor or in a foxhole over any other group. And if we were being honest, most would too.

Maybe you are only suggesting westboro Baptists and Isis et al are the zealots you refer to? Well they're really not worrying about now are they? And if you aren't then you did in fact marginalize a massive amount of people you do not know and likely have little experience with as a fringe group of crazies.

I consider myself a strong Christian and abide by that world view. I don't support almost anything Trump does socially and i don't base my morals off of any man. Would it be better if i posted a lot of hyperbole on facebook about his affairs or lost my mind and got butt hurt because some of the stuff he tweets is offensive and most of it stupid? Maybe I should call for his immediate impeachment because he had sex with some strumpet a decade ago? Or is it better to maintain my reason, appreciate some of the things he has done (especially some things with the economy, national defense, world politics, religious freedom, hopefully infrastructure, hopefully healthcare, etc) and evaluate things as they come like a grown up? He is a means to an ends in the absence of any other options.

Trump derangement syndrome is real and it has shaken people to the core. I was no fan of Obama and probably typed more disparaging things about him on the net than I should have. But my world didn't tumble to the ground like many people's has since Trump was elected. It's sad really and reflective of how fragile and fragmented we have become. And that is likely the main issue and has resulted in the inability to think critically. The people that hate everything he does assumes the other side loves everything he does when it is likely far from that simple for most normal, working Americans. Case in point Nancy Pelosi referring to the tax breaks as "crumbs" many times over. Well
if it's so insignificant why the heck has she been so reluctant to feed me those crumbs in the past, choosing rather to take similar crumbs from off my own table?


lots of scattershot above, much missed me as a target completely. I'll just respond off the top of my head and may ignore entire chunks of the above.

You have inferred incorrectly that I am indicting all people with religious cores. There is no wide swath being painted by me, but that's what you took from it.

I am targeting the hypocrites, the charlatans, the zillionaire conmen/women who have gleefully taken money from the truly humble and used those funds for lavish lifestyles, fame, and (this is big) political clout. Betcha lunch many are not even faithful to their spouses...as we have learned time after time as they become "outed" for their sinful ways. Seems to me this a small subset, opposite of what you think I meant, and I am asking why aren't they aren't skewering the immorality, why are they shrugging and saying "meh"? Only liberals can be called out? Horsechit. The Far Right (HA!) Religious Leadership has stuff to win by supporting someone they would identify as a sinner...

Follow the money...it always leads to those phonies, not just Sharpton and Jackson, but them too during other administrations. Cut from the same cloth.

As for Trump, I have hardened my opposition over the months, but went into the term truly hoping for the best. My politics would be out, I knew, but I've lived through many years when not aligned with the current power holders. Always survived quite nicely. I am not a knee jerk reactionary.

The chaos and circus and what may yet surface are more than I can turn quietly away from...

but my "body of work"? Please. You must be kidding.

Betcha lunch I'm considered one of the most fair, open-minded posters here. For a non-devout Jew, I still share many of the values and views on morality as many of you true Christian believers (those not in the "narrow swath" which is most good people).

You are way off base about me, and I must say that from our limited but positive shared history, I am disappointed how easily you could throw that history away.

I believe I deserve better.
DrafterX Offline
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Frank..!! Laugh
frankj1 Offline
#39 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Frank..!! Laugh

gotta catch my breath...

WILLIAM!!!
frankj1 Offline
#40 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
A wealthy power hungry SOB pokes a whore a decade before he becomes a politician.

Tell me again how the angst isn't partisan.

Trump is lying?
Probably.
But to who?
It's not like the POTUS scheduled a TV interview and looked into the camera and told ME that he didn't have sexual relations with her.

I mean, that's already been done.


cute synopsis, reads like a disparaging Trump tweet, effectively minimizes what we are now learning about...but I don't actually care how many times he has cheated. Or other people either. I wouldn't call for impeachment either. (Gummy, please note that in my "body of work" I have repeatedly said I hope for the good of the nation it does not come to that...hardly the stuff of a deranged hater)

For me, it would be unconscionable to behave that way, and Caren would kill me. I'm calling out the Holier-than-thou.

Oh, and since it does matter to you, your guy did look at you and say it didn't happen, and that he not only didn't pay her to shut up but didn't know that Cohen had done so, and didn't know where the money came from, and then came Rudy.

So rather than tell me I am out of whack about Trump, let me clarify that I'm not but you made the distinction again about how being lied to your face made a difference.

Well now you know the truth. But it won't bother you. Really doesn't change my life either, I always figured he did chit and lied. same as most before him. But I don't only forgive or look away from the perps who are libs. Consistency in values.
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#41 Posted:
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To think, I came here looking for a link to some hot MILF videos. Should have known I'd find a bunch of dudes wearing orange lipstick.
frankj1 Offline
#42 Posted:
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this is my fault
DrafterX Offline
#43 Posted:
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Laugh
tailgater Offline
#44 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
cute synopsis, reads like a disparaging Trump tweet, effectively minimizes what we are now learning about...but I don't actually care how many times he has cheated. Or other people either. I wouldn't call for impeachment either. (Gummy, please note that in my "body of work" I have repeatedly said I hope for the good of the nation it does not come to that...hardly the stuff of a deranged hater)

For me, it would be unconscionable to behave that way, and Caren would kill me. I'm calling out the Holier-than-thou.

Oh, and since it does matter to you, your guy did look at you and say it didn't happen, and that he not only didn't pay her to shut up but didn't know that Cohen had done so, and didn't know where the money came from, and then came Rudy.

So rather than tell me I am out of whack about Trump, let me clarify that I'm not but you made the distinction again about how being lied to your face made a difference.

Well now you know the truth. But it won't bother you. Really doesn't change my life either, I always figured he did chit and lied. same as most before him. But I don't only forgive or look away from the perps who are libs. Consistency in values.



I've readily admitted that Trump was probably lying from the start on this one. I would always use "allegedly" because it ruffled feathers. But we all know it was probably true.

My point was it's funny how it's NOW unacceptable.
Bill Clinton was not only a pig, he was accused of RAPE.
And his indiscretions carried into the oval office.

and here's the best part:

When he officially and formally lied for all prosperity, and when that lie was proven with 100% certainty, we all heard from the left and from the friggin MEDIA how it "wasn't really a lie, because it was based on his lawyers definition of the term sexual relations".

So now we've got a pig who put his willy into that gaping cess pool.
12 years ago.

And when he lies about it the left has suddenly found faith? The horror of a man lying about having sex outside his marriage! Impeach him!

An honest person would admit that RAPE and sex IN the oval office is at least a little bit worse than extramarital affairs from over a decade ago.

But that's me.


frankj1 Offline
#45 Posted:
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I simply do not recall a rape conviction!

immoral behavior does not go in and out of style, the shrugs and winks are happening now at least as much. The more things change...

I laugh every time you minimize it as one time ages ago...get real.

The gaping cesspool...are you quoting a Prez tweet? She didn't charge, but was bribed.

I also laugh, but at how it is NOW acceptable to the Moral Blowhards* who have access to the Whitehouse and policy making.


* not the Gummy people


Speyside Offline
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Gummy, the woman who accused Clinton of rape had previously testified under oath that Clinton had never made sexual advances towards her. Clinton was a hound dog. So is Trump. Neither is a rapist. Innocent untill proven guilty is our standard. Neither has been so much as charged with a crime relating to sexual misconduct.

Also, why are you trying to personalize this with Frank? He directed no ill will at you. No do I think he was directing any ire at the majority of Christians. He was talking about a very specific segment of people I think.
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#47 Posted:
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Ok, all I See in this post is Blah Blah blah, infidelity is an issue maybe......Blah Blah Blah........Ok, with that said, the better part of my generation doesn’t give a rat’s rump about this. Why? Because we chose an A-hole to shake things up. Sometimes it takes a Royal A-hole to get the point across. I really don’t care if he had sex with every gal at the bunn farm. As long as he continues to annoy the you know what out of everybody and everything, he is doing exactly what I put him in there to do. So long as they’re all whining about Trump, they can’t see what we millennials are really up to. Term limits and a major pay cut for Congress. When it winds up on the ballot, we’re going to have a hay day at their expense. 🤣😂🤣🤪
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^^ ...we can accomplish a major pay cut and term limits without being so destructive...organize your community and get them to vote and have some of the smarter ones run for office...
delta1 Offline
#49 Posted:
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Please, someone explain how Trump's pickle is different from Clinton's?
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#50 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
Please, someone explain how Trump's pickle is different from Clinton's?


According to Stormy Daniels, Trump's pickle is more like a cornichon.
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