America's #1 Online Cigar Auction
first, best, biggest!

...to mewl and melt.

Then why constantly blame the other guy when they're at the wheel?

8 years of the Kenyan King bashing W, and he did more to damage the economy than W ever did!

Trump is taking the victory lap because he's doing what he said he would do campaigning. Go back and see it for yourself or better yet...keep on doing whatever it is you think you're doing. The train has left the station. The Dow is soaring into uncharted territory because business believed in what he was saying. the employment numbers are way up, consumer spending is up and it's all to do with his election. If the C@nt Carpetbagger would've been elected it would be the same anemic limp along growth with revised downwards numbers because well because. No use of the bully pulpit, no talk about smashing terrible treaties that bound us to an anchor. Why? Because they signed it and want it that way. You don't have to be a good serf and do what they tell you because they tell you.


“The average growth rate for economic recoveries since the 1960s is 3.9 percent ranking the Obama recovery, with an average GDP growth rate of just 2.1 percent, among the slowest in history,” said Sen. Dan Coats (R.-Ind,), who chairs the Joint Economic Committee of the U.S. Congress.



and this....

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/12/trump-economys-sustained-growth-pace-unlike-anything-seen-in-13-years.html


But yeah...who wants prosperity?

Sounds like they are taxing us too much.

The Dow is soaring?

They ARE!

Our Founding Fathers grabbed the squirrel rifles off the mantels and took on the then World's Superpower because we were taxed 13%. 13%!

We've gotten lazy and we've gotten soft.

We're not being represented by our government we're being ignored. Every time we find a way to save a buck we spent 20!

6000 points would be soaring with most economists.

It's what a fluke in DNC circles?

Um...in reality? I posted it before...let me post it again.

“The average growth rate for economic recoveries since the 1960s is 3.9 percent ranking the Obama recovery, with an average GDP growth rate of just 2.1 percent, among the slowest in history,” said Sen. Dan Coats (R.-Ind,), who chairs the Joint Economic Committee of the U.S. Congress.

2.1% isn't recovery. It's not even registering a heartbeat. Any margin of error is 2 - 2.5% on almost everything!

Every time they posted their numbers 2-3 months later they'd revise them lower by a full point to a point and a half! That NEVER got the media's attention though. The tingling up their legs was still going on. They knew they didn't make the numbers but decided to con America. Main Street knew the guy was all hat and no cattle. Wall Street kept the con game afloat. K Street kept the light on and silence was golden!

Agreement? There was never any agreement with you. You can't be trusted to wipe your own butt much less keep your word.

You're a big d!ck and this just proves it. You can't handle an opposing viewpoint so you think this what weakens what I said?

I think you've overplayed you hand if you really think this is going to do anything.


It was bad enough that you posted crap all over the original thread that detailed each and every point of my divorce. Hell, you probably gifted CBid cupcakes so they'd erase the post.

*10 is most likely right around the corner.

LOL!

You've admitted to being a pivot man in your gym, beating up homeless and mentally ill people in your neighborhood on this website and you think for one second that a fight engineered between my son and I by my ex...one that the minute he hit me she was on the phone calling the cops...one where I didn't hit him...and there were no charges pressed because he wanted to live with me during and after the divorce is doing what to diminish me or besmirch me? Keep believing in your little twisted world because its not based in reality. Whatever she thought she was going to accomplish was diminished in the outcome. Kids lived with me, I got the house...she got the boot! You can't spin reality the way you want with this exposure Victor . Keep trolling.

I know your name because you troll my LinkedIn and FB accounts scouring for whatever trolls like you want to see. Could've just asked and I'd send you a picture.

As far as disgusting, you really are a big d!ck. This kinda cemented it.

I really hope the entire board here sees exactly who and what you are. If it means exposing my name on a forum so be it. Here's yours so anyone legally paying attention can follow the dots...Victor .

Both of you need to grow up. You’re acting like spoiled brats on a playground.

Not taking sides, but having been a law enforcement officer for almost 14 years I’ll be the first to say many, many times bs arrests are made for nothing more than policy. Domestic and similar crimes are near the top of bs arrests.

Both of you make accurate yet colorful posts and both of you can be horses asses at times. This is one of those times.

I'm grown and not going to take his B$.

Thanks for your wisdom in the arrest department...I lived it...that scratch on my face was from my ex wife after I was in cuffs. Yeah. He thinks my arrest holds sway over me. It was a low point in that that happened. It doesn't define who or what I am in any manner. He's only trying to embarrass me with it and it's not going to work because just like my ex..she was defeated. Him clinging to knowing my name...Lord know he trolled hard for it because I've had no interaction with him via this board...and exposing it...it's spilled milk now. Whatever. Wow. Now what? I'm supposed to sit down to pee like Victor ? I don't think so.

It's good to see you back, Victor. Obviously, you and I don't spend time on the same dicussion boards. For years folks on the left blamed Bush for 9/11. Some claimed he knew about the attacks in advance, and that he allowed them to happen so that he could take us to war. Others claimed that since he had been in office for 9 months, it was all on him and Clinton's hands where clean. No strawman arguement. Just facts of what I've experienced for years.

David (dpnewell)

DMV,
I usually agree with what you post, and appreciate your perspective here, but am saddened by your and Victor's exchange. The thing I like about this political board is that we can disagree with each other, yet still be brothers.

Frank and I are at opposite ends of the political spectrum, but I would still be thrilled to share a cigar and adult beverage with him, and even though we almost always disagree, I have come to respect him and his opinion. To me Victor comes across as an arrogant know it all, but again, I could put our differences aside, and still enjoy time with him in the real world. Though I disagree with him more times then not, I still find his view point interesting.

Back before my exile, there was another lefty on this board (who's name I can not recall at this time) that I would get into it with all the time. We would fight like cats and dogs. One day he found a great price on Illusione Rothchilds, and PMed me. We did a box split together. Yes we fought on this board, but we where able to put that aside for things we had in common.

I'm not trying to preach to you brother. It just saddens me that there is so much animosity between the two of you.

David (dpnewell)

I disagree, I like watching DMV and victor go at it. Mild entertainment for quick work breaks :D

In the blue state of NJ where the economy still s*cks, and my house is taxed at over $8,000 a year. With our new Democrat governor, we are told to expect a tax increase of approximately 10% this year. The state sales tax is also suppose to increase this year, with some of the revenue going to a legal defense fund to help illegal invaders fight deportation. With such outrageous taxes, I have a real concern about being able to find a buyer for my home. Not to mention the “exit tax” that is withheld at closing for those leaving the state.

Yet in NC, where there are help wanted signs everywhere, my equivalent home is taxed at $890 a year. In the 6 years I've owned this home, my taxes have increased a whopping $15. Just say'n.

David (dpnewell)

Delta the market isn't the economy

8 years of free money for corporations has a way of pumping up value

For the record although I think our recent growth and likely continued growth (hint it's a good time to get in if you are truly long) is based on legitimate economic optimism Trump is at least short sighted for openly taking credit. You tie your success to the market when it goes up and you better believe that your entire legitimacy will then be questioned when it inevitably goes down.

Moral of the story, Trump talks way too much

down like the last 4 months? OK, intentional sarcasm.

as I said before, too much credit, too much blame, but he is so unpredictable that the roller coaster is moving waaay too fast for comfort. Stable people do inspire comfort. He seems to inspire testosterone.

Despite lying eyes here (and legit individual exclusion from the last 9 years) recovery from the Great Recession did happen, and it happened after a very long rough period. And it continues to happen at a similar pace when all factors are looked at impartially.

And if one gives credit to Obama, they logically have to give credit to Bush who started the bailouts.

Gummy, not kidding with this question, I am in over my head in matters that get too deep in national economy matters, but did the bailouts truly extend for 8 years of Obama? I thought much had been paid back (if not pocketed by those scoundrels now reappearing) after they were given out, including all the way back to the Bush origins.

I didn't read this whole article but it likely spells it out

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704462704575590642149103202

The answer is much deeper than this and above my understanding as well but bail outs are only part of our historically slow recovery

I highly recommend googling Thomas sowell' s "tax cuts for the rich" (free pdf) and reading it. It's incredible and spells out pretty clearly the best long term plan for true growth vs the knee jerk reaction of our ruling bodies.

Here's a little video where he sums up key points

https://youtu.be/rc-bELgAowU

(Disclaimer: it's really hard for me to think of a living person I admire more than Dr sowell.)

It is one measure of the health of the American economy, and I use it as an example because Trump himself has said he has caused the jump in the stock market, because he's like a genius with money and employment...


just as the OP pointed to the difference between taxes collected (revenue) and expenses paid by the US govt. in April 2018 as an illustration of economic prosperity...we all know that is a cyclical phenomenon with some months skewed in one direction, while others skew in the opposite ... with a more accurate indicator being the year ending budget report...

It's OK to disagree with me. Ask Frank. He's made a career of it.
Or ask my wife.
I once got in trouble calling her a contrarian.
Seems I hiccuped after the first syllable.

Its really not a measure of economic health by anyone but the main stream media

It's not science

I know you're right, but me and tail are having fun.

What? Is it unanimous or is it consensus? Because even in science we can't seem to get agreement on a lot of theories.

Does economics have electrolytes..??