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Sounds like World War 3 is heating up.

Going to be a crazy summer.

Trump's finest told him that Iran was complying. I don't know about anyone else, but unlike folks here, and like the Mueller final report, I have no inside sources telling me anything else, yet.
Israel seems to be against the deal though.

But seriously, I really never knew for sure how to view the deal...or why most of Trump's advisors and all of our allies wanted us to stay in. I do know that it may set a precedent to other countries that our word may not be worth much...see North Korea coming up.

One more item that I can't believe I, being a lib, have to bring up...Kerry had no business doing what he did. I am not a Trump supporter (duh) but he is the President and Kerry was not given this assignment. This is one of those situations where I don't want everything I want. That would end up in dictatorship, and a benevolent dictator is still worse than just losing a few issues.

Trump never explained why it was a bad deal, other than that we've paid Iran upfront and there is nothing to prevent them from resuming nuclear acquisition and preparation when the deal expires in ten years. All the experts say the inspections have been working and Iran seems to be keeping up it's part of the bargain.

Trump has based his agenda almost exclusively to undo Obama's accomplishments, good or bad, and many pointed to the Iran deal as a major foreign policy achievement by the previous President. Is that a legitimate reason to move the world closer to war than to peace?

Ten years is a long time to work out additional agreements to contain the threat using diplomacy and subtle pressure, while waiting out the old Iranian mullahs who are currently in power. (funny how old men closer to death all over the world, make decisions that will lead to the premature deaths of young innocent people) There continues to be a huge portion of the Iranian population, mostly young and well-educated who are still pro-west/democracy. Diplomacy and business/education exchanges have historically been preferred ways to democratize a country. This decision may have just put those pro-democracy people in jeopardy, or at least drive them away from us.

The other people that this decision puts at risk are innocent Israelis. Iran has the capability to respond to use of Israeli force and can launch weapons into Israel. Israel pushed the US into reneging on the deal so that there would be an excuse to exercise their military options, to satisfy Israel's desire to punish Iran for reasons that go way back, beyond Iran's potential nuclear capability threat. With the US clearly locked in with the Israeli position, Israel can go to their preferred solution: military force against Iran. To dramatize that point, Israel bombed an Iranian military base in Syria within hours of Trump's announcement. The little dog's tail is wagging the big dog.

Who and how will the US enforce all the sanctions, and how effective will they be? We aren't the only ones doing big business in Iran, and all the other players say they'll stick with the deal, effectively watering down any solo US sanctions that might take hold. Boeing may lose $20 billion in business due to sanctions, so US businesses doing business in Iran and citizens who may have been employed by those companies will pay a price.

Meanwhile, with the US out and the inspectors presumably out, will Iran resume its nuclear acquisition activities...yes...

Will that cause more upheaval and uncertainty in the ME...yes...

will Israel intensify military action against Iran...yes...

will that lead to a larger conflagration in the Middle East that will drag us into war there once again........................

People usually don't flee from peace...will there be another surge of displaced people who will flood into safe havens all over the world............

I agree strongly with the first sentence....but I dismiss the assumption of the question following.

I am a little nauseous when Trump gets in a room full of foreign dignitaries and rants about how chitty Obama was (and even other previous presidents were.) Its bad enough when he does it at his perpetual campaign rallies, but when he says it directly to Macron or Abe or Merkel....it not just unconventional anymore...its wrong, IMO

But I haven't heard anything that makes me believe that this weeks' decision moves the world closer to war. In fact, the limited coverage/opinioning that I have heard seems to indicate that nobody has a clue what this is going to mean weeks, months, or even years from now. I think the risk of potential 'secondary sanctions' on friendly businesses is greater than the risk of someone getting into a hot war with Iran.

by Massachusetts standards, I am practically a Texan...how do you know about the chromosomes?

maybe so...but history is replete with mistakes of war when the wise guys didn't want to give peace a chance...

sure ... bombs seem to be flying regularly there ... that's why peace initiatives, even non-perfect ones, are so valuable that they should be nurtured, not abandoned...

If anyone could add a tripod, then everyone would have one.

We didn’t pull out. We are choosing to violate it. (That’s hot)

I say we because Trump is us.

I’m sure NK will abide by a Trump treaty much better than Iran will an Obama (actually multilateral) treaty.

It’s all good.

https://youtu.be/7SV9eRoaNyc

I think it's worth a watch... former cia agent Mike Baker on the Rogan podcast yesterday... the while hours is informative but this clip is specifically about iran...

and of course, now there is no way to stop weapon development, unless the rest of the countries involved keep it alive.

Why Iran (or NK) would give up their nuclear aspirations is completely lost on me. There are no carrots big enough. Probably no sticks, either.

Look at it from their POV; "There's what...nine countries with nukes out there? Why not us? Why does US have the right to tell us that we can't create a nuke? I don't see anyone sanctioning France....or Pakistan....Or, Israel." Having a nuke is one of the absolute biggest things that an authoritarian leader can use to show his people how bad-azz their country is. Nothing legitimizes their position on the world stage like a nuke, in their eyes -- or at least how they think their people would view them. In fact, US, NATO, Soviet Union, etc have had little problem putting nukes into other countries....I'll bet nuclear weapons have been staged in two dozen different countries in the last 30 years. I'm no proponent of nukes and would support some sort of verifiable global denuclearization, but if anyone thinks that some sabre rattling is going to make Rouhani or Fatty Fat give up nukes for good, they're quite delusional.

I did hear Trump say something about eventual denuclearization of the entire Korean Peninsula. I thought that was interesting. I wonder if Moon was caught off guard by that one....or if he just shrugged, knowing that Trump would promise whatever Kim wanted to hear and then do whatever Trump wants to do.

The Iran deal was flawed beyond reason from day 1. 24 days notice had to be given for inspections. If you think Iran cannot sanitize a facility in 24 days you are blind to the truth. The right decision was made to scrap this mess.

What difference does it make anyway when we can simply say we don't believe them or the inspectors?

Signed Hans Blix

Here is an explanation of the components of the Iran Nuclear deal. Claim 7 was the most persuasive to me, for keeping the deal...and why I think that our withdrawal nudges us closer to a "military solution to a nuclear Iran"

https://armscontrolcenter.org/the-real-facts-on-the-iran-nuclear-negotiations/

everyone seems much more knowledgeable than me about the details, but I know one major error...this is/was not an Iran-USA deal.

We are one of many nations.

can TW come to dinner wif us?

I wanna go...

Of course.. we can get TW somethin to go in one of those tin foil chikens..

Iran Deal: The United States gave $250 Billion dollars. We'll ask nicely for them to only use nuclear capacity for good energy. (you know, because they don't have resources like oil...). And we'll keep a careful eye on your weapons, but with ample notice before we inspect anything.

In the meantime, Trump took his oath while Moonbeam NK was testing intercontinental ballistic missiles. Japan and Hawaii were on high alert. They held parades for the weapons. The only one allowed to speak with Moonbeam was Dennis Rodman. Things couldn't have looked worse.

We know we can't trust kim moonbeam on his word. We'll be vigilant on that, and if we're not then I'll change my opinion on this matter.
There was never any such plan for vigilance with Iran. Which is why I opposed it from day one.

You say it's politics.
I'm telling you it's the details.

You want the game to be over before you choose a side.
But you're still invited to dinner.
Frank's paying.

TG, did we really give them $250 billion?

I thought that the money Iran recieved was technically theirs anyways, (frozen money, and money from an unfulfilled weapons deal from before the Iranian people overthrew our puppet over there). I think Obama actually paid them way less than what we could have ended up owing them. I'm not an expert on this deal, but it seemed like one of Obama's better accomplishments to me. (Might not have happened without U.S. involvement)

I have not been following the news; has Trump mentioned what he disliked about the deal or what he plans to do to improve upon it?

Yes, I think we did.

We are simply violating our end of the deal. It’s not like we are withdrawing or coming up with something new. We will still be a signatory we just won’t honor our signature or commitment. We had a deal.

But this could be a good move. If the other signatories can convince Iran to not be like the US and to be good to their word we can benefit from that. We can get the benefit without giving anything. This is a trump business pattern and it could work.

Or the whole thing could fall apart and we’d be back to where we were before the deal. I think some folks forget where that was.

We’ll see. I don’t like trump but hope this works out like him and Bolton think. We sure don’t need another war.

so the part I liked, 10 years to foster change in Tran, is really 15 years...even less short term.

This move just may be a Trump/Bibi ploy...again I am torn as I do believe Iran's gov't as currently exists, is dedicated to removing Israel from the face of the earth.

google earth cameras and Israeli intelligence.

Why it’s impossible to hide nuclear work in 24 days – or 24 years

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/08/13/why-its-impossible-to-hide-nuclear-work-in-24-days-or-24-years/

"The bottom line is that it is almost impossible to get away with messing around with nuclear materials. Nuclear fingerprints are not removable."

“You cannot get rid of them by cleaning,” Stephan Vogt, head of the atomic agency’s Environmental Sample Laboratory told Reuters in 2013. “You cannot dilute them to the extent that we will not be able to pick them up. It is just a matter of time,” he stated, before the atomic energy agency detects any incriminating residue."

"Twenty-nine top U.S. scientists — including Nobel Prize winners, senior experts in arms control and former White House science advisers – wrote to President Barack Obama this past weekend to praise the Iran deal. They called it “technically sound, stringent and innovative.” Instead of listening to the complaints about the 24-day meme, Congress should pay heed to these experts."