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We are all biased including me. Impossible not to be. As for the highlighted part leave the Catholics out of this

I don't call you names and the d1ck pick was an accident and not even my own (Sorry whistlebritches I fat fingered it).

If you formed and arbitrated your opinion by info from both sides good on you. And if you have chosen a side but recognize its not always right good on you. I wasn't speaking about you then. Some have not done that. In that regard you are in a similar spot as I.

Funny though articulating the point is interpreted as supporting "the other side"

As for me, I'm still working on it. If you read anything I'm saying as knowing where folks should fall then I am mistaken in how I present things because I am not certain enough about my position to tell others where they should be. I do take issue with entrenched 100% thinking however because I think its not possible to be 100% right on this one.

Someone can have an exact opposite position than mine and I can respect it. especially if it is well thought out and reasoned. Not everyone has this ability. In here that often makes you liberal or fencepost or whatever. It's simply not true. Understanding and respecting someones position does not mean you support it or have that opinion. Thats often lost in here.

I'm not bagging on anyone's opinion. I am bagging on others inability to consider another opinion as valid. Asking folks to consider the Palestinian viewpoint is not the popular side on this issue in here. Some have more difficulty tolerating that position than others. Asking folks to actually think about the other viewpoint should not be particularly controversial.... unless you are entrenched. YOU not referencing ZRX..

How we treat our other allies is evolving quickly. IE who cares what they think.

You got my point though Z.... the people of both sides are suffering because both sides leadership are playing games with them.

If they can any religion can. Just don't eat the bread. Youll get your teef knocked out.

We paint places like iran and iraq as strict muslim states when in fact they are/were largely secular and in Irans case westerized.

I thought that might draw you out LOL. You are much more tolerant than they are.

I'm too big of a germophobe.

Think about this for a minute... the priest goes down the line, putting a cracker on everyone's tongue, then proceeds to give everyone the cheap wine from the same glass, while wiping it down with the same towel... using the same hand that he's using to put the cracker in your mouth.

No no, I won't be taking communion any time soon... I think my teef are safe.

this is mostly what I was referring too when I said Israel didn't give a chit about public relations, and was not looking for anyone's approval to survive. Turns out, they should have.

But while they displayed a lack of concern for image, it came across as arrogance and false superiority. Meanwhile the propaganda machines in the PLO offices were churning out stories, assembling children and other sacrificial lambs in places of danger, calling CNN and the world's press, lobbing a few rockets for the opening kickoff, and letting the carnage begin, after the cameras were in place.

Of course it is horrendous...but it has been a proven winner in the popularity contests over decades. Didn't spoil Yes Yu Arafart's appetite for fine Parisian dining and lavish condos...but it does turn our stomachs...because we actually value life.

Egypt was mentioned as changing their position...poor example. What changed their position and led to the historic peace accord with Israel was when they found Israeli tanks 70 miles from Cairo after a multi-nation attack on Israel didn't go as planned. It wasn't a sudden realization that we are all brothers and love conquers all.

What do you think this taught Israel?

it was the bread and the teef comment, wasn't it?

and Israel gave back the land...crazy, huh?

Those aren't broad generalizations it's their doctrine and code of ethics laid out by their holy books.

Hamas admits most killed in Gaza violence were its members

A senior Hamas official admitted Wednesday that dozens of rioters killed by Israeli soldiers in the Gaza Strip were members of the militant group.

The official, Salah Bardawil, told the private Palestinian news outlet Baladna TV that 50 of the protesters killed in Monday's violence were members, with the others being "from the people." He did not specify what roles the victims had in the organization, such as whether they were members of the group's armed wing.

The admission came one day after Björn Stritzel, a reporter for the German tabloid BILD, tweeted so-called "martyrdom pictures" of Hamas militants killed in the violence.

srael's government said Bardawil had proven that its forces had acted appropriately in response to the mass attempt to cross the border with Gaza. Israel has repeatedly claimed that Hamas uses weekly border protests as cover to stage terror attacks.

"It was clear to Israel and now it is clear to the whole world that there was no popular protest; this was an organized mob of terrorists organized by Hamas," said Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Emmanuel Nahshon.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Israel had tallied similar numbers to Hamas', and "won't let those who call for our destruction to breach our borders and to threaten our communities."

In response to the uproar over his remarks, Bardawil later said in a statement that Israel was "legitimizing the killing of Palestinians just because they are Palestinians or just because they are Hamas, even if they were unarmed and defending their dignity and rights."

On Tuesday, the Israeli Army released a video that appeared to show protesters detonating several explosions near the border. It also said its forces had killed a squad of Hamas gunmen who opened fire at troops.

Lt. Col. Jonathan Conricus, a military spokesman, said 14 of those killed Monday were actively involved in carrying out attacks.

Israel says it uses live fire only as a last resort. Snipers are supposed to aim at protesters' legs and can shoot only with approval from a commander.

Despite the evidence, the images of of rifle-toting Israeli snipers facing off against seemingly unarmed protesters caused an uproar around the world.

Countries have summoned and recalled ambassadors, the U.N. has issued condemnations and some have called for an investigation of Israel's actions. The Palestinians held a one-day general strike and called for three days of mourning for the victims.

The U.S. was among the few countries that came to Israel's defense, backing its right to protect its border on the same day that it countered international disapproval of moving its embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. The Palestinians, who seek east Jerusalem as capital of their hoped-for state and vehemently oppose the U.S. move, recalled their ambassadors to four European countries that had supported it.

On Wednesday, Guatemala followed the U.S. lead, festively opening its new Jerusalem mission with Guatemalan President Jimmy Morales saying his country was bringing a message of "love, peace and fraternity" to Israel. Paraguay said it also will move its embassy to Jerusalem. Romania, the Czech Republic and Honduras have said they are considering doing the same.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/05/16/hamas-admits-most-killed-in-gaza-violence-were-its-members.html

Who needs PR when you've got land?

Probably should have called it the Six Day War.

It was a work of art!

They could call take backs on the whole death to Israel thing and nothing would change. Neither side is being intellectually honest.

Frank I’m familiar with the “war” etc. was being lazy.

I also forgot the number of people in here who understand Islam and interpretation of their scrips better than Muslims do.

Fixed it for you.

Burner actually no I don’t. When they tell me the interpretation of their religion I don’t think I’ve ever argued with them or told them they are wrong. What I hear from folks in here doesn’t jive with what I hear in our interfaith group.

I’ve actually been told in here when I repeat what my Muslim friends tell me that then they are not good Muslims because it doesn’t jive with the interpretation of is,am by folks in here.

Bgz simply said your reading about their religion doesn’t match up with what people practiceing the religion tell me. I’ve specifically asked some of the questions in our group.

Usually when I bring that up in here someone will come up with the I read in their scriptures they are supposed to lie about it and stuff response.


If you read the Bible without context and teaching you can come up with some wacky ideas about Christianity.

That’s not to say some whacked out groups don’t interpret it like you do but from all the discussions in our group I can say with certainty the mainstream Muslims I know interpret things differently than you.

And I know I won’t convince you.

They are permitted and encouraged to lie to and deceive non-muslims.

Nor are they permitted to take upon Christians and Jews (or any non-muslim for that matter) as friends (opponents say that it was just for the times of their prophet... but what ever, it says it).

I mean, the first few pages reads like a sh1tty sales pitch on why their religion is better than the other religions. I mean, if they had tech back then, they probably would have wrote it in a powerpoint.

Yep, that's why I choose not to be a Christian, because half the s**t in there is just as bat sh1t as the quran.

Frank the problem is you want 100% acceptance of the take back thing. Didn’t they already agree to a 2 state solution?. In itself that’s a take back. But not everyone has just like in here there are many that reject Islam as a legitimate religion but beleive it has no merit and needs to be wiped out.

There are just as many on both sides that don’t want compromise but insist on total victory.

Next time you're at your group, ask them how they feel about apostasy:P

Or if they would feel if we implemented some sharia into our laws.

Curious about the answers to those.

Anyway, I love arguing this stuff with you TW, good times... you actually make me go read :/

The reason why I'm so adamant about it, is that religion itself spawns extremism, and history itself has plenty of evidence to justify that statement.