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LetsRock Offline
#1 Posted: Sat, May 19 2018, 6:29 PM EST
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Justify wins...possible Triple Crown!!! Should be a fun day at work for me!!
Whistlebritches Offline
#2 Posted: Sat, May 19 2018, 8:30 PM EST
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LetsRock wrote:
Justify wins...possible Triple Crown!!! Should be a fun day at work for me!!


Very cool indeed should this happen
Speyside Offline
#3 Posted: Sat, May 19 2018, 10:17 PM EST
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It amazes me that Secretariat still holds the fastest time record for all 3 races 45 years later.
LetsRock Offline
#4 Posted: Sun, May 20 2018, 3:07 PM EST
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To me this says it all. The most recent Triple Crown Champ vs the greatest horse ever. Not even close

https://youtu.be/eT50hQINVrI
madspackler Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, May 22 2018, 1:59 PM EST
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Justify won the Preakness but looked gassed at the wire. That is the shortest race in the Crown. Only his fifth race but all five this year. Belmont is the longest race. I don’t see Justify winning against fresh legs in a longer race and with only two weeks rest.
dstieger Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, May 22 2018, 2:15 PM EST
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madspackler wrote:
Justify won the Preakness but looked gassed at the wire. That is the shortest race in the Crown. Only his fifth race but all five this year. Belmont is the longest race. I don’t see Justify winning against fresh legs in a longer race and with only two weeks rest.


That's kinda wild. I know nothing about horse racing, and I am pretty surprised that a horse couldn't have fresh legs two weeks after any sort of race. Track athletes only get two days off between 5K qualifying and finals at world/Olympic levels. Granted they don't have to face someone walking in who didn't have to run the same qualifying schedule, but still....
madspackler Offline
#7 Posted: Tue, May 22 2018, 2:23 PM EST
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All the track athletes had to qualify. Not all the horses have run the Derby and the Preakness. Justify ran away with the Derby. It was a close and closing race at the Preakness against many of the same horses. Owners did not race Justify as a 2 year old (all of last year). Besides fatigue, the horse has to deal with being trailered to another state and setting up in unfamiliar barns/stalls. That is why there have only been a few Triple Crown winners in the last 127 years.
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#8 Posted: Tue, May 22 2018, 2:58 PM EST
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LetsRock wrote:
To me this says it all. The most recent Triple Crown Champ vs the greatest horse ever. Not even close

https://youtu.be/eT50hQINVrI

That was pretty cool to watch, but it looked like American Pharaoh had more at the end. A 4 second gap was closed to 2.65 by the end, so AP was running faster down the stretch if he closed that gap.
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#9 Posted: Wed, May 23 2018, 7:19 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
That was pretty cool to watch, but it looked like American Pharaoh had more at the end. A 4 second gap was closed to 2.65 by the end, so AP was running faster down the stretch if he closed that gap.


True but the outcome of the race for AP was in doubt much later than for Secretariat so he stepped off the gas much sooner. Regardless, two amazing horses.

I cant wait until Justify gets here. I wasn't working here for American Pharaoh so I am very much looking forward to this.

Also, working Belmont Stakes Day is mandatory (I know you all feel bad for me) and I will be helping move around all the trophies for all the stakes races that day, including the big one, which is the 150th running.
LetsRock Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, May 23 2018, 7:21 AM EST
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madspackler wrote:
All the track athletes had to qualify. Not all the horses have run the Derby and the Preakness. Justify ran away with the Derby. It was a close and closing race at the Preakness against many of the same horses. Owners did not race Justify as a 2 year old (all of last year). Besides fatigue, the horse has to deal with being trailered to another state and setting up in unfamiliar barns/stalls. That is why there have only been a few Triple Crown winners in the last 127 years.


We will treat him just fine when he gets here in two weeks.

And there have only been 12 Triple Crown winners in history. Perhaps the toughest crown in all of sports.
LetsRock Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Jun 5 2018, 2:07 PM EST
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So....who is going to win?
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#12 Posted: Tue, Jun 5 2018, 7:24 PM EST
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No triple crown, another dud wins the first two races in the slop none the less and will lose the third leg. Seen it too many times and I don't even follow horse racing.
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#13 Posted: Mon, Jun 11 2018, 7:18 AM EST
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shaun341 wrote:
No triple crown, another dud wins the first two races in the slop none the less and will lose the third leg. Seen it too many times and I don't even follow horse racing.


d'oh!
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#14 Posted: Mon, Jun 11 2018, 8:51 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
It amazes me that Secretariat still holds the fastest time record for all 3 races 45 years later.


Big Red was a freak. I remember it like it was yesterday. Horse racing in KY is in our blood from birth. I still get teared up when I rewatch him race. I used to have an uncashed winning KY Derby ticket on Secretariat. Don't know what happened to it over the years. My dad probably has it somewhere. fog
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#15 Posted: Mon, Jun 11 2018, 9:25 AM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
Big Red was a freak. I remember it like it was yesterday. Horse racing in KY is in our blood from birth. I still get teared up when I rewatch him race. I used to have an uncashed winning KY Derby ticket on Secretariat. Don't know what happened to it over the years. My dad probably has it somewhere. fog


Julian - I met Ron Turcotte on Saturday, couldn't have been a nicer gentleman.
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#16 Posted: Mon, Jun 11 2018, 11:07 AM EST
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LetsRock wrote:
Julian - I met Ron Turcotte on Saturday, couldn't have been a nicer gentleman.


Applause
delta1 Offline
#17 Posted: Mon, Jun 11 2018, 12:23 PM EST
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Justify is worthy of all the hype...great horse. Smith barely touched him down the stretch...the horse seemed to be in cruise control all the way.

The lack of any real challenger may take some shine off this Triple Crown winner...Alydar enhanced Affirmed's reputation...their historic rivalry elevated both...
LetsRock Offline
#18 Posted: Mon, Jun 11 2018, 12:28 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Justify is worthy of all the hype...great horse. Smith barely touched him down the stretch...the horse seemed to be in cruise control all the way.

The lack of any real challenger may take some shine off this Triple Crown winner...Alydar enhanced Affirmed's reputation...their historic rivalry elevated both...


Agreed, but he beat more horses (35) than any other Triple Crown winner so plenty had their chance and failed.
delta1 Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, Jun 11 2018, 12:44 PM EST
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It'd be nice to see him run a bunch more races, but he's worth more as a sperm donor...
RMAN4443 Offline
#20 Posted: Mon, Jun 11 2018, 1:05 PM EST
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on a side note, Gronkowski earned me $138.00 w:d/
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#21 Posted: Mon, Jun 11 2018, 2:14 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
It'd be nice to see him run a bunch more races, but he's worth more as a sperm donor...

Sure, the money is good and it sounds so easy, but take my word for it...it's not for everyone.
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#22 Posted: Mon, Jun 11 2018, 2:14 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
on a side note, Gronkowski earned me $138.00 w:d/

$20 to place?
LetsRock Offline
#23 Posted: Mon, Jun 11 2018, 2:15 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
It'd be nice to see him run a bunch more races, but he's worth more as a sperm donor...


He will run the rest of this year and my guess is he runs in the Pegasus at Gulfstream in January for the $16m purse then retires.
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#24 Posted: Mon, Jun 11 2018, 9:55 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Justify is worthy of all the hype...great horse. Smith barely touched him down the stretch...the horse seemed to be in cruise control all the way.

The lack of any real challenger may take some shine off this Triple Crown winner...Alydar enhanced Affirmed's reputation...their historic rivalry elevated both...



Lots of controversy brewing about Restoring Hopes ride (and Noble Indy's). I thought it would blow over but it seems to be picking up a bit of steam. I have to admit.......I was dumbfounded at the blatant attempt to protect Justify. It happens all the time........but c'mon man.......be a little more subtle about your intentions. Justify wins, with or without the shenanigans of his stablemate but that crap was totally unnecessary. It was just too obvious and not well executed. Maybe some rule changes are coming.

https://www.horseracingnation.com/news/Belmont_Stakes_Controversy_a_Transparency_Issue_123#
RMAN4443 Offline
#25 Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2018, 3:24 AM EST
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LetsRock wrote:
$20 to place?

$10 win $10 place $10 show......Place paid $13.80
LetsRock Offline
#26 Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2018, 7:56 AM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
$10 win $10 place $10 show......Place paid $13.80


I think your math might be off but a win is a win regardless. Congrats!!

I'm just glad I didn't have to congratulate Gronk in person. Being 2 feet away from Belichick earlier in the day was enough to make my skin crawl.
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#27 Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2018, 8:50 AM EST
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MojoFilter wrote:
Lots of controversy brewing about Restoring Hopes ride (and Noble Indy's). I thought it would blow over but it seems to be picking up a bit of steam. I have to admit.......I was dumbfounded at the blatant attempt to protect Justify. It happens all the time........but c'mon man.......be a little more subtle about your intentions. Justify wins, with or without the shenanigans of his stablemate but that crap was totally unnecessary. It was just too obvious and not well executed. Maybe some rule changes are coming.

https://www.horseracingnation.com/news/Belmont_Stakes_Controversy_a_Transparency_Issue_123#



Is it illegal?

Is it different than what Nascar teams do?

If the 'offended horse' had been AHEAD of the 'blocking' horse, wouldn't he have avoided being blocked?
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#28 Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2018, 8:53 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Is it illegal?

Is it different than what Nascar teams do?

If the 'offended horse' had been AHEAD of the 'blocking' horse, wouldn't he have avoided being blocked?


And who has the right to tell a jockey how to position his/her horse if he/she feels it gives them the best chance to win? Doesn't always work out and it might compromise the chances of some of the other horses but too bad.
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#29 Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2018, 12:02 PM EST
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I think Justify wins, regardless of the tactics. I've seen similar tactics in lesser races (it happens all the time) but.......I guess being the final race for the Triple Crown, has some people upset (mostly people who lost) but I can see their argument. It was very blatant and it appeared Restoring Hope was intentionally trying to block certain horses. Is it legal? Depends on your interpretation of the rules or more importantly.....the Race Stewarts interpretation. Either way.......Justify was the best horse on the track and no one will take away his Triple Crown. It's a shame, Baffert felt Justify needed the extra "assistance". I don't think he needed it.
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#30 Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2018, 12:18 PM EST
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LetsRock wrote:
And who has the right to tell a jockey how to position his/her horse if he/she feels it gives them the best chance to win? Doesn't always work out and it might compromise the chances of some of the other horses but too bad.



In this case....I would think the owner has the right to instruct on how his (or her) horse will run any race. From what I've read.....Restoring Hope's owner, was upset over the way Florent Geroux ran his horse.

From the NY Post article:
Gary West, who owns Restoring Hope, was livid about the handling of his horse. "I have no earthly idea what Florent was thinking or what his race strategy was," West told the New York Post in an email. "Had I known better, the first eighth of a mile I would have thought it was a quarter-horse race, not the mile-and-a-half Belmont. Maybe the horse was completely out of control and Florent had no choice. I will never know."
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#31 Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2018, 1:27 PM EST
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LetsRock wrote:
I think your math might be off but a win is a win regardless. Congrats!!

I'm just glad I didn't have to congratulate Gronk in person. Being 2 feet away from Belichick earlier in the day was enough to make my skin crawl.

I don't understand, how is my math off....a friend of mine went to the race, I asked him to place my bet, yesterday he handed me my $138.00 in winnings? Isn't that correct? I'm not much of a Horse Racing guy, and I really don't understand the intricacies of betting on the races Anxious
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#32 Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2018, 3:04 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
I don't understand, how is my math off....a friend of mine went to the race, I asked him to place my bet, yesterday he handed me my $138.00 in winnings? Isn't that correct? I'm not much of a Horse Racing guy, and I really don't understand the intricacies of betting on the races Anxious


Gronk paid $13.80 to place and $7 to show.

Those are based on a $2 bet.

If you bet $10 to place and show you won $13.80 x 5 = $69 and $7 x 5 = $35 for a total of $104.

That's why I asked if you did $20 to place because $13.80 x 10 = $138

Maybe your friend is just more generous than mine are.
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#33 Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2018, 3:06 PM EST
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MojoFilter wrote:
In this case....I would think the owner has the right to instruct on how his (or her) horse will run any race. From what I've read.....Restoring Hope's owner, was upset over the way Florent Geroux ran his horse.

From the NY Post article:
Gary West, who owns Restoring Hope, was livid about the handling of his horse. "I have no earthly idea what Florent was thinking or what his race strategy was," West told the New York Post in an email. "Had I known better, the first eighth of a mile I would have thought it was a quarter-horse race, not the mile-and-a-half Belmont. Maybe the horse was completely out of control and Florent had no choice. I will never know."


Agreed but sometimes jockeys need to call an audible based on circumstances or experience. This would also imply that Baffert had a side deal with Geroux since I cant imagine a jockey sacrificing a big pay day and a place in history for the benefit of another horse he has no vested interest in.
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#34 Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2018, 4:31 PM EST
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LetsRock wrote:
Agreed but sometimes jockeys need to call an audible based on circumstances or experience. This would also imply that Baffert had a side deal with Geroux since I cant imagine a jockey sacrificing a big pay day and a place in history for the benefit of another horse he has no vested interest in.


Makes you wonder why a jockey with the credentials of Geroux, would ride a horse that had only one win and never raced in a G1 race before. For that matter.......it makes you wonder why Restoring Hope, would even be allowed to run the Belmont Stakes. I've learned through experience, that there are few sports industries, more crooked than Horse Racing..........but......it's nothing new. Been this way looong before my time. They all have to compete on the same stage and Baffert simply out-maneuvered (for lack of a better term Whistle ) the others. I just don't think it was necessary, especially with the goofy way Geroux used their strategy. I've watched the race 10+ times...........there is no doubt in my mind, what Geroux's intentions were and there is also no doubt in my mind......Justify would have won without any "help". Just added another stain to an already troubled sport......but I love watchin' dem horses run!!!
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