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My Kids Won't Be Shooting Up Schools, A Solution?
Gene363 Online
#1 Posted:
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Could this help?

Discuss.

Quote:
Why My Kids Won't Be Shooting Up Schools, and How to Spot Those Who Might....

I'm sick. I'm sick of shootings. I'm sick of children dying. I'm sick of guns being blamed. I'm sick of parents mourning over unnecessary deaths.

For 11 years, I walked alongside teenagers. Tens of thousands of kids from all across this country. So before you say "you don't know what you're talking about," please understand I'm the guy that had anywhere from 50 to over 200 students in his home on any given weekend. I'm the guy that is more involved in the local school system than almost anyone you'll meet. I write this less than 24 hours home from the Special Olympics. So please, pardon the profanity and passion and read.

There is an epidemic in our laps and everyone is refusing to see the blatant, obvious truth.

My son is in sports.

I am focusing on my son because shootings are carried out by boys.

My son is in sports.

Why?
He is in sports to understand the value of others.
He is in sports to understand the value of a team.
He is in sports to LOSE.
Yes, he needs to lose. He does NOT get participation trophies. When he loses, he loses.

Kids are not being allowed to lose. Entire generations of young boys are being coddled and made to believe that the world is a bubble of preference and that their comfort is our responsibility. We are so hell-bent on being politically correct and respecting everyone that, as a result, we are no longer raising men.

A vast majority of school shootings are carried out by teenage boys who are not involved in sports or any extra-curricular activities, but rather isolated fetishes that promote the dopamine hit of violence and control.

This isn't me trying to say video games are bad... but, people... our boys need to lose. Our boys need to understand the rules of the game and respect boundaries.

I want you to look closely in the picture... What is it that catches your eye?

What is the CATALYST for knowing that my son will not be one you catch on the news for violence?

Are you seeing it?

It's me.

I'M A PRESENT FATHER.

Dads, it is beyond time to STEP UP.

The common denominator of all these kids that are shooting up schools?

It's all over their facebooks. Weird stuff: clothing, guns, warnings....

Their classmates know they had issues. Hell, some even told their parents. Some call the school. Nothing is done.

And the common denominator?

The parents had "no idea."

The fathers are typically absent.

Here is my promise to you, Stetson.

I will not be up your a$$.

You are going to live your life, make your mistakes, take your lumps, and become an AMAZING MAN OF INTEGRITY.

But listen... While I won't be up your a$$,

You better believe I'm gonna be knee deep in your sh*t.

I'm committed to being your FATHER.

That's not your friend.

That's not your punching bag.

That's not a provider that you never see.....

I am going to be PRESENT, ALWAYS.

I am going to PRESIDE over you and teach you how to become the MAN you're called to be.

I am not going to leave you to yourself to "find your own version of yourself and what being a 'man' means to you..."

You deserve BETTER... every boy does.

I will TEACH you how to lose and learn.

I will TEACH you how to dream and work.

I will TEACH you how to add value and make money.

I will TEACH you how to treat a woman.

I will TEACH you what a gun is and what it's for.

I will TEACH you what it is to be a PRESENT FATHER.

I will TEACH you what it is to be a MAN.

And you, son, will be the PROTECTOR of yourself, your family, and your community....

Because you will know that is who we, as MEN, are called to be.

Share that, friends.

Or get upset.

For the men committed to leveling up and being a part of a MOVEMENT...

I'll see you here, MEN: www.facebook.com/groups/embracethelion

Men AND Women, join Kala and me at www.facebook.com/groups/etlmastermind
opelmanta1900 Offline
#2 Posted:
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I'm not one to crap on the ideas of anyone who's trying to find a solution to this horrible situation...

That being said, seems like this guy is blaming school shootings on
A lack of involvement in sports and absent fathers... if those were really the issues Compton would have school shootings everyday...

if those were really the issues, then the places you find the highest concentration of fatherless homes and the lowest opportunities for involvement in sports would be your school shooting hot spots...

but the truth is, schools in the ghetto don't seem to have these problems...

dstieger Offline
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I'm not one to crap on the ideas of anyone who's trying to find a solution to this horrible situation...

That being said, seems like this guy is blaming school shootings on
A lack of involvement in sports and absent fathers... if those were really the issues Compton would have school shootings everyday...

if those were really the issues, then the places you find the highest concentration of fatherless homes and the lowest opportunities for involvement in sports would be your school shooting hot spots...

but the truth is, schools in the ghetto don't seem to have these problems...



Interesting reply....hadn't thought about that yet....


However, that doesn't negate the OP sentiment --- of those kids in the pool of 'most likely shooters', I'd be surprised if the risk isn't greatly reduced if their fathers were more like OP


Maybe kids at public schools in the inner city have enough violent reality that is sort of visceral to them already....and not fake/glorified like the suburban white male teens find in video games....no clue. Is 'indiscriminate mass murder'...the kinds with no clearly rational motive...is it a really a 'white male' thing? I'd need to look at some data. If so, perhaps that could tell us more about ways to address it.
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I blame the Basket Ball Dairies.. Mellow
dstieger Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
I blame the Basket Ball Dairies.. Mellow


Is that the one where the Chicago Cows milk the clock?
victor809 Offline
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I would bet that every parent believes that what they are doing is going to ensure that their kids aren't going to shoot up a school.

Just because this one is willing to write about it doesn't mean he is correct.

To opels point, the statistics don't really bear it out.
To add to that, I'm sure there are more factors than just "playing in sports" and "having an involved father". ... There are probably environmental factors, possibly genetic factors...

This guy isn't fundamentally any different than the "mommy blog" people who talk about how what they're doing is definitely better than the way all the other mommy's are doing it....
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... however...this does bring up a really interesting opportunity.

If this guy's argument is that two specific parenting activities can ensure that your kids will not shoot up a school (enrolling the child in win-lose sports and being a present father) then we can most definitely charge and execute the parents in any incident where their child shoots up a school.

If those are the only 2 things a parent needs to do to ensure a bunch of kids aren't killed by their offspring,then they are most definitely to blame when their offspring goes on a rampage.
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Bet that Turpin fellow from California could go on an equally spirited rant... "my kids won't be shooting up any schools cuz first i don't let em go to school, second i don't let em out of the house, and third, i keep em emaciated and chained to their beds most the time... safest kids in the world..."
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I have children in elementary and middle school. When I go to their schools, there is a security guard at the front door and the door is locked; actually, all doors in the entire school are locked. The guard at the elementary school knows everyone! He still goes through the protocol of seeing your ID each and every time.

Depending on the area you live in, some schools have metal detectors. Maybe, we need more metal detectors? You cannot get into the school until you pass successfully through the detector. Not all schools have metal detectors. I wonder how many schools that have had shooting incidents had detectors.

It’s a very sad situation. There has to be some kind of solution to this problem.
dstieger Offline
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Why schools, I wonder?

James Holmes and Paddock shot total strangers; Dylan Roof was clearly racially motivated.....I wonder if the school shooters mental crash is different -- do they want/need to have victims who look them in the eye and recognize them? Any school shooters that just hit a random school they weren't associated with? Did the Newtown guy have connections there?
tailgater Offline
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I'm not one to crap on the ideas of anyone who's trying to find a solution to this horrible situation...

That being said, seems like this guy is blaming school shootings on
A lack of involvement in sports and absent fathers... if those were really the issues Compton would have school shootings everyday...

if those were really the issues, then the places you find the highest concentration of fatherless homes and the lowest opportunities for involvement in sports would be your school shooting hot spots...

but the truth is, schools in the ghetto don't seem to have these problems...



Of course this doesn't happen in da ghetto.

the shooter wouldn't stand a chance against those armed thugs.

duh.


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dstieger wrote:
Why schools, I wonder?

James Holmes and Paddock shot total strangers; Dylan Roof was clearly racially motivated.....I wonder if the school shooters mental crash is different -- do they want/need to have victims who look them in the eye and recognize them? Any school shooters that just hit a random school they weren't associated with? Did the Newtown guy have connections there?

interesting question about looking in the eye...

without the google machine, somehow I seem to recall that the Newtown kid had attended that school.
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tailgater wrote:
Of course this doesn't happen in da ghetto.

the shooter wouldn't stand a chance against those armed thugs.

duh.



laughing, not happy with myself, but laughing.
JoeKillerKeenan Offline
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Meh. Overall security helps.
My Mother works at a elementary school and all of the doors are controlled electronically from the front desk. they cannot be opened from the outside (No handles).

The front door has a handle but it has an intercom button you need to press and ask the front lady to open the door, explain why you are here, etc.

Its not much but it is much better then letting anyone and everyone into the school. Plus no fire safety issue. 1 way in, multiple ways out.

Arm teachers? Meh, if they want to be sure. The "NO GUNS ALLOWED" sign at schools signifies that there are no armed personnel on site to stop a potential shooter. Like fish in a barrel.

Anyone heard of a school shooting in Israel? (Their teachers are armed.) But it is a different situation with everyone around them wanting them dead.
JoeKillerKeenan Offline
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Meh. Overall security helps.
My Mother works at a elementary school and all of the doors are controlled electronically from the front desk. they cannot be opened from the outside (No handles).

The front door has a handle but it has an intercom button you need to press and ask the front lady to open the door, explain why you are here, etc.

Its not much but it is much better then letting anyone and everyone into the school. Plus no fire safety issue. 1 way in, multiple ways out.

Arm teachers? Meh, if they want to be sure. The "NO GUNS ALLOWED" sign at schools signifies that there are no armed personnel on site to stop a potential shooter. Like fish in a barrel.

Anyone heard of a school shooting in Israel? (Their teachers are armed.) But it is a different situation with everyone around them wanting them dead.
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I think the OP piece is crap.

That parents need to be close to and guide their children away from wrong is a truism.

Americans are embarrassingly proud that we allow access to weapons to almost anyone. When mass murder happens we point to parenting, bad law inforcement, or our abandoned mental healthcare system.

But go ahead and leave the guns lying around.

And when things go wrong, it must be because too many women work out of the home.....
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#16 Brewha

+1

The OP is a D.I.C.K.I.E. ( OOOOP's....SHAINDANISTA ,
That is a false turtle neck sweater, not a swear word)
Gene363 Online
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Brewha wrote:
I think the OP piece is crap.

That parents need to be close to and guide their children away from wrong is a truism.

Americans are embarrassingly proud that we allow access to weapons to almost anyone. When mass murder happens we point to parenting, bad law inforcement, or our abandoned mental healthcare system.

But go ahead and leave the guns lying around.

And when things go wrong, it must be because too many women work out of the home.....


Guns were even more available in the fifties up until the 1963 gun legislation. Anyone could easily buy therefrom mail order adds in magazines. Kids drove to HS with guns in their vehicles to go hunting after school. According to your logic we should have had a lot of school shooting back then, but we did not, availability is not the cause.

The point the author of the OP was making is that children are not all winners all the time and they need to learn how to deal with losing, e.g., by not shooting girls for refusing to be their girlfriend or learning to deal with bullying without resorting to shooting.
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Brewha wrote:
I think the OP piece is crap.

That parents need to be close to and guide their children away from wrong is a truism.

Americans are embarrassingly proud that we allow access to weapons to almost anyone. When mass murder happens we point to parenting, bad law inforcement, or our abandoned mental healthcare system.

But go ahead and leave the guns lying around.

And when things go wrong, it must be because too many women work out of the home.....


So leaving a gun in your house is bad.

But paying for your kids smart phone and handing him the keys to your car is OK?

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tailgater wrote:
So leaving a gun in your house is bad.

But paying for your kids smart phone and handing him the keys to your car is OK?



Premature posting...


When a kid texts and crashes, do we hear about banning cell phones? Or cars?
No.
We talk about educating kids on the dangers.
We consider legislation to curb the misuse and abuse.
We learn about innovations that would make things safer.


But when the mentally deranged rogue loser shoots up a classroom we decide it's the gun's fault.

Bravo.
victor809 Offline
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Dumb post is dumb....
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Here's a "profile" of school shooters, with 7 primary commonalities, from an article in Psychology Today.

"1. So far, all school shooters have been male and the vast majority (over 90 percent) were active or recent students at the school.

2. If there is one predominant theme in school shootings, it is anger and revenge.

a. 75% of school shooters felt bullied or harassed by other students
b. Sometimes shooters felt unfairly treated by teachers
c. They seldom have specific targets, but kill randomly in order to inflict the most harm

3. School shooters tended to be socially awkward and avoidant, and often isolate themselves with few if any friends.

a. They were sometimes described as “strange”
b. They seemed to have a penchant for” retreat into fantasy,” especially when under stress
c. Shooters exhibited an obsessive quality that often led to detailed planning, but ironically they seemed to lack an understanding of the consequences of their behavior and thus may have a history of adverse encounters with law enforcement
d. The same obsessive quality drives the shooter to focus upon interpersonal rejection, unfair treatment, and elaborate plans for revenge
e. They expressed fascination with violence, morbid media, death
f. If the shooter does associate with others, it is likely to be with those who share preoccupations with the macabre
g Shooters may have a history of cruelty to animals (this is a low probability factor, but a significant one when present)
h. There is often a sense of hopelessness that predicts their own death by the end of the incident

4. The media contagion effect (copycat killings) may serve as an especially powerful motivator for those who already feel anger, frustration or loss.

5. Shooters tend to have experienced dysfunctional family situations or experience a lack of effective adult supervision, mentoring, or oversight.

6. 68% of shooters obtained weapons from their home or the home of a relative. (Yes, ease of availability to firearms does matter.)

7. Shooters tend to express their frustrations and anger using art and/or social media posts, thus monitoring of such media becomes an important tool in early identification of individuals at risk for committing violence."


Easy access to guns is part of the profile, along with "copy-cat"/ media contagion. This could explain the proliferation...once that genie got out of the bottle...

another observation, item #5, is that if a father cared enough about his kid to do organized sports, or any other activity together (fishing, reading, hiking...doesn't matter if losing is part of it), the kid isn't likely to do a school shooting...
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Gene, do you have a link for your quote? I'm not on facebook and I'd like to post this on another forum but rules there dictate a link to the source be posted with the quote. Thanks.
Brewha Offline
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Gene363 wrote:
Guns were even more available in the fifties up until the 1963 gun legislation. Anyone could easily buy therefrom mail order adds in magazines. Kids drove to HS with guns in their vehicles to go hunting after school. According to your logic we should have had a lot of school shooting back then, but we did not, availability is not the cause.

The point the author of the OP was making is that children are not all winners all the time and they need to learn how to deal with losing, e.g., by not shooting girls for refusing to be their girlfriend or learning to deal with bullying without resorting to shooting.

If fairness, it to find accord with my logic you would have to comprehend it.

Extolling the well known ventures of good parenting while ignoring the elephant in the room is what makes it crappy. Perhaps incontinent, but at least with a ripe smell.
Brewha Offline
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tailgater wrote:
Premature posting...


When a kid texts and crashes, do we hear about banning cell phones? Or cars?
No.
We talk about educating kids on the dangers.
We consider legislation to curb the misuse and abuse.
We learn about innovations that would make things safer.


But when the mentally deranged rogue loser shoots up a classroom we decide it's the gun's fault.

Bravo.

Guns and cell phones.....Damn near the samething, right?




Yeah, if the kid didn’t have a gun he would have just texted his schoolmates to death.

God knows I have seem people do it here.....
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Brewha wrote:
If fairness, it to find accord with my logic you would have to comprehend it.

Extolling the well known ventures of good parenting while ignoring the elephant in the room is what makes it crappy. Perhaps incontinent, but at least with a ripe smell.


Oh, believe me, I absolutely comprehend your “logic” - i.e. when leftist ideals and principals fail miserably in the real world, deflect and blame tools that have been easily and readily assessable for hundreds of years.

David (dpnewell)
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Parts of some threads disgust me. When people close their mind to possibilities they are limiting asking questions and finding solutions. Lack of parenting IS part of the problem. Lack of appropriate mental health care is part of the problem. Products such as bump stocks are part of the problem. Complaining about the other side is part of the problem. Left? Right? How about just human. Open your eyes and be part of the answer. Otherwise you are part of the problem. Quit being disgusting. Also, REMEMBER, the Constitution is not something to throw away.
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Brewha wrote:
Guns and cell phones.....Damn near the samething, right?




Yeah, if the kid didn’t have a gun he would have just texted his schoolmates to death.

God knows I have seem people do it here.....


So we're only considering one specific type of death to mourn over.

Gotcha.


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I agree, cell phones are more dangerous than guns... looked up some stats

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/oct/02/america-mass-shootings-gun-violence

1,624 mass shooting deaths in 1,870 days

(nevermind the source, I'm sure it's pretty close).

According to this place:

https://www.personalinjurysandiego.org/topics/facts-about-texting-driving/

In 2015, 3477 deaths from text and drivers.
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Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
Oh, believe me, I absolutely comprehend your “logic” - i.e. when leftist ideals and principals fail miserably in the real world, deflect and blame tools that have been easily and readily assessable for hundreds of years.

David (dpnewell)

Please - the fault is not with the tools. It is with their causal and easy availability to almost everyone - qualified or not.

No one is committing mass murder with dynamite. I reckon you think that means we should sold it at Walmart.

So if you are to apply logic to the situation - follow it through....
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tailgater wrote:
So we're only considering one specific type of death to mourn over.

Gotcha.



Deluding the issue with a convent “look over there!” Is I guess all unresponsible gun folks have anyway.

Like I said, someone gets weapons that are carelessly left available by the unresponsible - and your take is that mothers should not work out of the home.

Get real man - I have to show a drivers license to get OTC sinus medication - but 100 rounds is like buying cigarettes.
Gene363 Online
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Krazeehorse wrote:
Gene, do you have a link for your quote? I'm not on facebook and I'd like to post this on another forum but rules there dictate a link to the source be posted with the quote. Thanks.


I found it outside of FB here: https://247sports.com/nba/mavericks/Board/103445/Contents/All-Fathers-Need-to-Read-This-118391326

Gene363 Online
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Brewha wrote:
If fairness, it to find accord with my logic you would have to comprehend it.

Extolling the well known ventures of good parenting while ignoring the elephant in the room is what makes it crappy. Perhaps incontinent, but at least with a ripe smell.


Frustrated by facts you turn to a personal attack. The smoking elephant turd in the room is the fact is guns were easily available in past times and we did not have school shootings. You're stuck on the notion of availability and cannot think your way outside of the box. You can make all the snide bitchy remarks you wish, but the problem remains in your head.
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Stupid people use cell phones while driving. And statistically sure, they kill more innocent people than school shooters do.

But this is a thead about school shootings. Why muddy it up with irresponsible vehicular manslaughter? Why deflect?

Shootings aren't borne out of stupidly. They're carefully planned intentional murders.

Start a new thread. Killer cell phones. Or: Look over here, Not at school shootings.

And as regards mourning? I call bs. Who besides parents and loved ones of these victims is mourning. Mourning. A joke. Empty rhetoric. Maybe until it hits home we're all full of best wishes, prayers and bs.
Cause if it was your kid you'd probably be doing more than pontificating.

Finally, when I hear someone say the 'left' is responsible for school shootings I know that that poster has given up looking for solutions to the problem, lost objectivity, playing the blame game and lazily abandoned critical thinking.

What happened to us working together to solve things?
We coulda been contenders...we coulda been somebody...
Brewha Offline
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Gene363 wrote:
Frustrated by facts you turn to a personal attack. The smoking elephant turd in the room is the fact is guns were easily available in past times and we did not have school shootings. You're stuck on the notion of availability and cannot think your way outside of the box. You can make all the snide bitchy remarks you wish, but the problem remains in your head.

Gene, this was not an attack on you. It is my opinion that these kinds of pieces point us in the wrong direction.

Today, the proliferation of guns is at a level as never before. Stacks of old forgotten ones, cheap easy to get new ones, the gross misconception that a room full of people is safer if most people are armed.....

Now, as far as thinking outside of the box, well,,,,
My wife who knows me best tells me I am too broad minded (prolly because I like women’s beach volley ball).




And if only it were true that the problem were in my head.

If only....
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Just watch when she's not around.. Mellow
Brewha Offline
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ThumpUp
DrafterX Offline
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freak.. Mellow
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Gene363 wrote:
Could this help?

Discuss.



Says everyone who’s Child has gone on to kill people. fog
Mr. Jones Offline
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To the O.P. herdnin'....

You
Set
Extremely
H.E.A.V.E.Y.
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Gene363 wrote:
I found it outside of FB here: https://247sports.com/nba/mavericks/Board/103445/Contents/All-Fathers-Need-to-Read-This-118391326


Thanks. Passed it on.
Gene363 Online
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Buckwheat wrote:
Says everyone who’s Child has gone on to kill people. fog



Well, one did assist a few savages with their desire to meet allah, but they shot at him first.
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DrafterX wrote:
freak.. Mellow

OhMyGod
DrafterX Offline
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I'm sorry... Sad
Brewha Offline
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It’s ok Bro - Women’s beach volley ball is a fundamentally deviceive issue....
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Availability of weapons... sounds like the parents didn't secure their firearms and the child grabs it and goes.
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They obviously didn't watch enough women's volleyball.. look at Brewha, he's addicted and never shot anybody.. Mellow
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JoeKillerKeenan wrote:
Availability of weapons... sounds like the parents didn't secure their firearms and the child grabs it and goes.

I've run into a lot of opposition here demanding that original owners of stolen guns used in the commission of crimes be held accountable...despite being a lib who believes in the right to bear arms. I think that qualifies me as realistic and approachable.

I don't know how much more righties can reasonably ask of libs.

Ball is in their court. Time to stop false claims that we want to take away arms (300 mil? Couldn't possibly happen) and work on realistic proposals rather than talk about red herrings.
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They were red Rockfish.. wish you coulda been there.. Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
They were red Rockfish.. wish you coulda been there.. Mellow

some day, my friend. Some day.
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