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ABC Cancels Sorry AZZ Rosannes
Buckwheat Offline
#101 Posted:
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She broke the number one rule of comedy; she just wasn't funny. fog
DrMaddVibe Offline
#102 Posted:
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dstieger Offline
#103 Posted:
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Trump today tweeted: Roseanne's words towards VJ were thoughtless, hateful, maybe even. Wish that hadn't happened."

NOT.....lol...


Tweeter in Chief, instead tweeted:
"Bob Iger of ABC called Valerie Jarrett to let her know that 'ABC does not tolerate comments like those' made by Roseanne Barr. Gee, he never called President Donald J. Trump to apologize for the HORRIBLE statements made and said about me on ABC. Maybe I just didn't get the call?"

I almost feel sorry for the editorial cartoonists and impersonators...the guy is more caricature than any caricature
delta1 Offline
#104 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
She was fired because your first sentence has some truth.

As for the second sentence?

I guess you're OK with a "civility police".

You know. As long as it sides with your own emotions.


I think her tweet was stupid. Not funny. Obviously it can be viewed as racist.
But has Roseanne Barr been known to be racist in her life? She's a very public person.
I've never heard of her doing anything or showing tendencies towards racism.

A couple "jokes" here and there. But nothing of substance.

Yet you want your "civility police" to bring swift justice.
Because you are offended.

You and I live by vastly different rules, my friend.





You're wrong about why she was fired...

Her show was promoted by ABC precisely to show off ABC's diversity and to woo some segment of the viewing audience that hasn't identified with too many of their offerings. ABC was in the process of promoting Roseanne for Emmy consideration and boasted that it could be ABC's first number one rated prime time show in decades. So it was in anguish about having to cancel a hugely popular show over their star's racist behavior.

I never said the decision to cancel the show and fire Barr was what I wanted. I just called what she did by what it is...just as I agreed with the cons' outrage over Kathy Griffin...both crossed some important lines

as for my use of the term "civility police," ...I purposely chose that term because it is a hot button for the right, who don't want any muzzles put on how they express themselves, and you didn't disappoint...it's kinda funny/funny that the right also wants to tell people how to act and what to say (NFL, BLM)...

you're right about both sides wanting to shut the other down it when it suits them, to condemn statements or people who make them...cons use the PC card when they support statements by fellow cons, like "sh*thole countries"...libs are outraged by perceived insults to large groups of people...

I personally believe that we are better off without the Archie Bunker mentality that seems to be re-emerging during Trump's reign...but if you think those days are what MAGA refers to, then we do live by vastly different rules...
shaun341 Offline
#105 Posted:
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I was told to come here for some di** measuring contest and to find out what I can and can't say anymore.

We are so caught up in this racist media war we don't even know what is allowable anymore and what context is. Why can't we just all suck it up, look at the person next to you (good chance their race differs from yours now) and just agree to move past this stupid petty bs. Strength in numbers and right now we are divided in many ways.

Oh and Rosanne wasn't that good the first time around so who really thought it was going to work now.
delta1 Offline
#106 Posted:
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I am re-considering my SIL's decision to name our group of family and friends who enjoy the auto races at Laguna Seca Raceway: The Laguna Seca IMSA Racists. I'm thinking I need to cancel the T-shirt order...

shaun341 Offline
#107 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
I am re-considering my SIL's decision to name our group of family and friends who enjoy the auto races at Laguna Seca Raceway: The Laguna Seca IMSA Racists. I'm thinking I need to cancel the T-shirt order...




Or double it depending on how you look at it.
tailgater Offline
#108 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
You're wrong about why she was fired...

Her show was promoted by ABC precisely to show off ABC's diversity and to woo some segment of the viewing audience that hasn't identified with too many of their offerings. ABC was in the process of promoting Roseanne for Emmy consideration and boasted that it could be ABC's first number one rated prime time show in decades. So it was in anguish about having to cancel a hugely popular show over their star's racist behavior.

I never said the decision to cancel the show and fire Barr was what I wanted. I just called what she did by what it is...just as I agreed with the cons' outrage over Kathy Griffin...both crossed some important lines

as for my use of the term "civility police," ...I purposely chose that term because it is a hot button for the right, who don't want any muzzles put on how they express themselves, and you didn't disappoint...it's kinda funny/funny that the right also wants to tell people how to act and what to say (NFL, BLM)...

you're right about both sides wanting to shut the other down it when it suits them, to condemn statements or people who make them...cons use the PC card when they support statements by fellow cons, like "sh*thole countries"...libs are outraged by perceived insults to large groups of people...

I personally believe that we are better off without the Archie Bunker mentality that seems to be re-emerging during Trump's reign...but if you think those days are what MAGA refers to, then we do live by vastly different rules...


Yup.
You're a master baiter alright.

Why do you feel the need to purposely plant hidden catch phrases in order to express yourself?
It turns an adult discussion into a game of "gotcha".
Seem pretty pathetic to me.


tailgater Offline
#109 Posted:
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As for why Rosanne was fired:

She has been supportive of President Trump.
She then tweeted an unfunny "joke" comparing someone to the fake planet of the apes.
Fired.

Meanwhile, comedian Bill Maher compared Donald Trump to an orangutan.
Not fired.


For the record, I didn't think Maher should have been fired.
But let's stop pretending about the real issue here.


SteveS Offline
#110 Posted:
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I've never liked Bill Maher ... he's simply not funny, but is often an abrasive a$$hole ...

however, David Letterman used to have a semi-regular comedy bit in which he showed several pictures with faces obscured and only the hair visible ... it was called "Trump or Monkey" and one of the pics was of Trump, the rest of various apes ... it was actually rather comedic and on one show in which Trump was a guest, they played the game ... Trump lost when he failed to pick his own hair and instead picked one of the apes ...

all that aside, Roseanne isn't funny either ... obnoxious in the extreme ... but our whole society has become overly sensitive and prone to many folks getting fired for stuff that is deemed offensive by the PC police who aren't exactly even handed in what they find to be offensive ... it strikes me that the right to free speech is being rather nastily abridged and I'm troubled by that ... I think we're headed toward mob-rule in this country and those who're able to motivate the mob hold sway ... politicians are playing to the camera and to the emotions of the masses rather than to their sensibilities ...
teedubbya Offline
#111 Posted:
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I’m amazed the number of times people do not understand freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is in no way shape or form under attack here.

No government took any action against her.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from repercussions following what you say. It also does not mean an employer can’t fire you or I for our speech.

Freedom of speech has nothing to do with this.


And if you don’t see calling Valerie Jarret a cross between planet of the apes and the Muslim brotherhood blatantly racist and are drawing a moral equivalent to letterman’s skits or whatever you can find then you don’t want to see racism. Get out of the vacuum and look at her entire body of work and conspiracy crap and you’ll be less inclined to make that comparison.

Zero to do with freedom of speech.
Completely about an employer not accepting blatant racism.
Speyside Offline
#112 Posted:
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^ This.
teedubbya Offline
#113 Posted:
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As I think about it go back a few decades. The outlandish things you can get away with saying now with zero repercussions that you couldn’t in say the 60s 70s and 80s is amazing.

If anything we’ve become more numb and crass.

Maybe just like a cigar is just a cigar a racist statement is just a racist statement.
bgz Offline
#114 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I’m amazed the number of times people do not understand freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is in no way shape or form under attack here.

No government took any action against her.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from repercussions following what you say. It also does not mean an employer can’t fire you or I for our speech.

Freedom of speech has nothing to do with this.


And if you don’t see calling Valerie Jarret a cross between planet of the apes and the Muslim brotherhood blatantly racist and are drawing a moral equivalent to letterman’s skits or whatever you can find then you don’t want to see racism. Get out of the vacuum and look at her entire body of work and conspiracy crap and you’ll be less inclined to make that comparison.

Zero to do with freedom of speech.
Completely about an employer not accepting blatant racism.


Lol, pretty much said exactly this on an ESPN article about the anthem rule changes.

Obviously different target, different side... but the point remains.
HuckFinn Offline
#115 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
As for why Rosanne was fired:

She has been supportive of President Trump.
She then tweeted an unfunny "joke" comparing someone to the fake planet of the apes.
Fired.

Meanwhile, comedian Bill Maher compared Donald Trump to an orangutan.
Not fired.


For the record, I didn't think Maher should have been fired.
But let's stop pretending about the real issue here.



Roseanne was the first number one show ABC had in years.
Let's compare something:
ABC: “The No. 1 TV show, full stop. The last time we had the No. 1 show was 24 years ago, that’s some cool amount of trivia that we chose not to mention in the last 24 years," boasted Disney/ABC Television Group President Ben Sherwood on May 15 in the network's Upfront presentation to advertisers.

Donald:"Bob Iger of ABC called Valerie Jarrett to let her know that “ABC does not tolerate comments like those” made by Roseanne Barr. Gee, he never called President Donald J. Trump to apologize for the HORRIBLE statements made and said about me on ABC. Maybe I just didn’t get the call?"

You seeing what I'm seeing?

We're talking very serious money. Couldn't have been an easy decision. ($$$)
Isn't it probable that their decision was based more on their principles and reputation than their politics?

Cause I'm convinced this has zero to do with Donald.
Her character on the show was the only Trump supporter. Her entire family, I think, was so anti-Trump that no one was allowed to say his name out loud...so, there was a balance...

But to some, without naming names, the witch hunt is alive and well.

Bill Maher: I love his show. He has people from all over the political spectrum on his panels and great one on one interviews. The conversations are, often anyway, thought provocating. Ok, not always that funny, but usually pretty smart.

Bill began showing the photo of the ORANGE orangutan in routines, saying 'they've finally found Donald's real father' around the time of Obama's birth certificate fiasco. So...orange

I know you're sure what the real issue is. You believe the game is fixed and Donald is being railroaded. I see your point in so far as he and much of the media and many of powers that be are at serious odds. But the witch hunt defence is kind of dumb as there have been multiple indictments and guilty pleas. Something probably ain't kosher.

Why defend and apologize for him. Maybe he was out of the loop when crap was going down and is innocent. Right? Time will tell.

You're starting with an assumption that all roads lead to Trump.

Was a stupid 'joke' and left ABC no real choice. Next.
teedubbya Offline
#116 Posted:
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Freedom of speech is under attack when a person or people in a position of government authority use their power to silence or punish opposing positions or viewpoints however.
DrafterX Offline
#117 Posted:
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Quiet You..!! Mad
tailgater Offline
#118 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:
Roseanne was the first number one show ABC had in years.
Let's compare something:
ABC: “The No. 1 TV show, full stop. The last time we had the No. 1 show was 24 years ago, that’s some cool amount of trivia that we chose not to mention in the last 24 years," boasted Disney/ABC Television Group President Ben Sherwood on May 15 in the network's Upfront presentation to advertisers.

Donald:"Bob Iger of ABC called Valerie Jarrett to let her know that “ABC does not tolerate comments like those” made by Roseanne Barr. Gee, he never called President Donald J. Trump to apologize for the HORRIBLE statements made and said about me on ABC. Maybe I just didn’t get the call?"

You seeing what I'm seeing?

We're talking very serious money. Couldn't have been an easy decision. ($$$)
Isn't it probable that their decision was based more on their principles and reputation than their politics?



The money left on the table is actually further proof.
People are typically given a bye for one screw up when they pull in the cash.
But not when you're viewed as being a Trump Supporter.

You don't think this is about trump?
then you truly and absolutely have your head in the sand.
Look at the twitter machine or other social media. Those who want Barr fired for her racist remarks almost always end their sentence by blaming Trump.
I'm not saying it makes sense.
I'm just pointing out the facts.

tailgater Offline
#119 Posted:
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Samantha Bee.

Not funny.

But let's see how this plays out.

She's an avid Trump hater.
Now she called Ivanka the C word.
On her show.

My money says she keeps her job.
Because of her political bias.

We've already seen it on ESPN when that no-name hostess called Trump a racist.
But at least that was on a different platform.


No sane person thinks that Barr's veiled racist remarks (let's face it, VJ's face is a bit "bad hollywood mask" like) are somehow worse than calling the first daughter a C*nt during her cable television monologue.

Let's see how it plays out.


teedubbya Offline
#120 Posted:
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I don't think the problem was with being vulgar or making stupid derogatory jokes or calling names. I think it was with being blatantly racist. Roseanne and our President have called people names for years with little repercussion. Trump doesn't seem to include that when he or his peeps list all the things they want apologies for.


I also don't think being racist is the equivalent of calling someone a racist. Calling someone a spear chucking jungle bunny is probably less well received than saying the person that called them that is a racist.

It seems like some want more tolerance for racism.

YMMV
delta1 Offline
#121 Posted:
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^ #109

tailgater has gone all in with the Trumpian playbook. Roseanne's firing had nothing...nothing...nothing...to do with Trump. Her whole show's existence was to celebrate life in Trump's world...

Her demise was about racism...something Trump and his people do not ever acknowledge and say no longer exists...hence "stupid" " ignorant" "unfortunate" ...

But in the Trump world where tail lives, everything is about Trump and the world revolves around him. When the truth, facts, objective reality, actual existence do not align with what suits him, Trump and his Trumpians discredit the source, posit an alternative reality, faked facts, lies, made up crap and know that a certain percentage of people will accept that version over reality. There's a litany of theories and lies that he's made up over the years and his followers treat them as gospel. Some people still believe Obama was born in Kenya...

Trump has even admitted to a national journalist that his whole strategy to attack the media, the intelligence community, the FBI or any person or institution who he perceives is not on his side is to speak to his people, so that when negative truths about him are revealed, his followers will question the truth. To them, he can shoot someone on 5th Ave.

To add intensity to this strategy, to feed the lowest common denominator of his base, he resorts to name calling, because when you run out of facts and evidence, with his people, name calling is a satisfying alternative. It works on WWF. Hear the roars when insults and name calling is ramped up. He can't attack someone he opposes with any facts, so he then hurts him in the eyes of Trumpians with personal insults and name calling.

What's pathetic is that some seemingly intelligent, articulate and thoughtful people have bought into the playbook and are using it themselves...
DrafterX Offline
#122 Posted:
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Trump used the Dem playbook to beat them... Don't you remember everyone screaming racist if you questioned Obama..?? Huh
HuckFinn Offline
#123 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
The money left on the table is actually further proof.
People are typically given a bye for one screw up when they pull in the cash.
But not when you're viewed as being a Trump Supporter.

You don't think this is about trump?
then you truly and absolutely have your head in the sand.
Look at the twitter machine or other social media. Those who want Barr fired for her racist remarks almost always end their sentence by blaming Trump.
I'm not saying it makes sense.
I'm just pointing out the facts.


Noone would get a bye for this screw up!

Sure, you can call people names, slander them if you've got the dough and the balls to but Racism? Its off the table!

Only upside of this is people are talking about where lines are again.

Maybe you're not entirely wrong. Maybe Trump is somewhere in this equation.
But while not impossible, hard as I look, I don't see it.
teedubbya Offline
#124 Posted:
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Trump is the master at calling people names and never apologizing. It's not about names. Its about racism. I know some in here don't equate saying someone is a cross between planet of the apes and the black brotherhood with racism. I can't help them there. I know to others being called on racism is just as bad as being a racist. I can't help them there either. We will just have to disagree.
DrafterX Offline
#125 Posted:
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Ya.. bad guys on both sides.. Mellow
ShanaC@CigarBid Offline
#126 Posted:
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Is this on on the wrong discussion board? Think LOL
HuckFinn Offline
#127 Posted:
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ShanaC@CigarBid wrote:
Is this on on the wrong discussion board? Think LOL

Ya see TG?
Even Shana agrees it's not political!
teedubbya Offline
#128 Posted:
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FGM is a noob. A drama queen look at me noob who has sold more eye bleach than any other spokesperson ever.... well except maybe the landlord in kingpins.
tailgater Offline
#129 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:
Noone would get a bye for this screw up!

Sure, you can call people names, slander them if you've got the dough and the balls to but Racism? Its off the table!

Only upside of this is people are talking about where lines are again.

Maybe you're not entirely wrong. Maybe Trump is somewhere in this equation.
But while not impossible, hard as I look, I don't see it.


GWB compared to a chimpanzee. OK.
Trump compared to an orangutan. Fine.
VJ compared to a fake hollywood movie ape. Racist.

laugh out fuqing loud.
do you even hear yourself?

You people (libs) don't even know what the fuq true racism is anymore.

And that's not being sympathetic for those who say stupid things. It's recognizing the bleeding heart over reaction.

Roseanne has been a powerful showbiz woman for a long time.
I've never heard of her doing anything negative to someone based on skin color.
She tells jokes. Bad ones. She disgraced the anthem but she's not labeled as anti-american. Just a fat broad who lacks class.

But a joke aimed at a single person now means she's racist? And it's inexcusable even though the target of the bad joke really does look like she's wearing an ill fitting movie prop?

Get over yourselves.


tailgater Offline
#130 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
^ #109

tailgater has gone all in with the Trumpian playbook. Roseanne's firing had nothing...nothing...nothing...to do with Trump. Her whole show's existence was to celebrate life in Trump's world...
.


A Trumpian playbook??
If only...


But saying it's not about Trump?

Yeah. I was once that naive.
Do you want to go camping?


JadeRose Offline
#131 Posted:
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They should have fired her for being unsightly
tailgater Offline
#132 Posted:
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Google "Roseanne Barr"

2nd response:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/29/business/media/roseanne-barr-offensive-tweets.html
Trump is mentioned in the second paragraph.


4th response:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/05/30/people-defending-roseanne-barr/656999002/
Trump in first paragraph


I see why you don't think this has anything to do with Trump.

Because your news sources, even while dragging his name into the fray, have never spelled it out for you directly.

tailgater Offline
#133 Posted:
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JadeRose wrote:
They should have fired her for being unsightly


I liked her old show in the early years.
My wife saw the recent version and said it sucked.
Well, she didn't that specifically. She's got class. She said it sucked goat balls.
JadeRose Offline
#134 Posted:
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I'm not sure how the f*ck ANYONE can support this ugly bitch. Her "rendition" of the National Anthem should be enough to make all you righty's (and most other people, too) hate her forever. She's posed on a satirical Jewish Magazine called "Heeb" dressed as Hitler. She ran for President by saying that Wall Street bankers should be "put in camps". She's a disgusting pig of a human being that shouldn't really appeal to ANYONE.

The world is better off without her in the spotlight.
victor809 Offline
#135 Posted:
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GW.... Trump... VJ....

All compared to monkeys.... But in one instance it's racist and the others it isn't.

Wow... That's perplexing... There must be some difference between the 3 of them that would make the insult racially insensitive for 1 but not the other 2. I wonder what it could possibly be...

Huh...

No...


Oh....

No...

Ah I got it! It must be because one is a dem... Yep. That must be why it is racially insensitive to insult her by implying she looks like a monkey. Definitely it. No other possible reason.

Damn those dems forcing people to say racist things.
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#136 Posted:
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Yesterday, Samantha Bee, on her show Full Frontal, called Ivanka Trump a "feckless c*nt". Where is the media outrage? Where is the call for her firing? Can you image if a conservative media host had made this statement about Michelle Obama or Chelsea Clinton? The media and the left would be foaming at the mouth rabid.

David (dpnewell)
JadeRose Offline
#137 Posted:
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...and for me, the worst part is seeing her idiot ex-husband...who also has business being famous in any gaddam way...being interviewed as gaddam "news". This is what we have come to...Tom F*cking Arnold somehow mattering and being worthy of being interviewd as a "news worthy" story.


Jesus Christ....these people all need to go back to the trailer park from whence they came.
delta1 Offline
#138 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
A Trumpian playbook??
If only...


But saying it's not about Trump?

Yeah. I was once that naive.
Do you want to go camping?





Then how do you explain Franken, Lauer, Weinstein, Cosby, et al....not big Trump supporters, but did something "stupid"...got whacked...


Oh, just saw this....this IS about Trump....

Here's what Trump tweeted about Roseanne's firing, without commenting about her or her remarks or her show's demise: Mr. Iger (ABC President, who apologized by phone to VJ) had “never called President Donald J. Trump to apologize for the HORRIBLE statements made and said about me on ABC.”

My bad...tail is so astute...thanks...we can go camping, but only if you wear that little red dress...
JadeRose Offline
#139 Posted:
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Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
Yesterday, Samantha Bee, on her show Full Frontal, called Ivanka Trump a "feckless c*nt". Where is the media outrage? Where is the call for her firing? Can you image if a conservative media host had made this statement about Michelle Obama or Chelsea Clinton? The media and the left would be foaming at the mouth rabid.

David (dpnewell)




or one of the Obama daughters? I agree with you. She SHOULD be fired. The level of discourse in this country has degraded to the point that the POTUS' daughter is being called c*nt on National Televison. Whether you like her not is immaterial. *shakes head in sadness*
teedubbya Offline
#140 Posted:
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Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
Yesterday, Samantha Bee, on her show Full Frontal, called Ivanka Trump a "feckless c*nt". Where is the media outrage? Where is the call for her firing? Can you image if a conservative media host had made this statement about Michelle Obama or Chelsea Clinton? The media and the left would be foaming at the mouth rabid.

David (dpnewell)



we already covered this pretty well
victor809 Offline
#141 Posted:
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DP... That's already been discussed.
No one gives a flying f-ck about insults. That ship long sailed.
It's about racism.

If there were a long history in the US of making rich white women second class citizens and reinforcing that with popular media depictions of them appearing as wrinkly long labiaed, dripping c--ts, then you'd have a point.
teedubbya Offline
#142 Posted:
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The yea but whatabout defense gets pretty tiring. I get it I get it...Trump is a victim and everyone should be apologizing to him. Even though he will never apologize to anyone because he would never name call.... and he meant blood out of her eyes and stuff or was that just rosie odonnel?


And for the record who ever the bee chick is she should go the way of kathy griffen. not for racist remarks though.
delta1 Offline
#143 Posted:
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ShanaC@CigarBid wrote:
Is this on on the wrong discussion board? Think LOL



is it possible to move threads that OP's mistakenly open in the wrong area? Not that it really matters, since members who want to weigh in already know it's here...
teedubbya Offline
#144 Posted:
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I will say this for trump... his talking points get to yall sooner than dubbyas did.
victor809 Offline
#145 Posted:
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Bee shouldn't go anywhere. She's at least funny.

I am surprised feminists have not spoken out against her words. Reducing a woman down to her sexual organs is a popular way to insult them (see all cbid posts from 2004-2018 with Hillary in the title) and is not appropriate.

She would have been better served to call her an idiot, a f-cktard, a clueless cow, a sack of ****... Etc etc... Anything not specifically gender specific.
delta1 Offline
#146 Posted:
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There used to be a difference between late night cable shows, with viewership in the thousands and public statements that make it onto the prime-time news...I guess with social media saturating all of our news sources, a bear taking a dump in the woods could be newsworthy in today's news cycles...
HuckFinn Offline
#147 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
GW.... Trump... VJ....

All compared to monkeys.... But in one instance it's racist and the others it isn't.

Wow... That's perplexing... There must be some difference between the 3 of them that would make the insult racially insensitive for 1 but not the other 2. I wonder what it could possibly be...

Huh...

No...


Oh....

No...

Ah I got it! It must be because one is a dem... Yep. That must be why it is racially insensitive to insult her by implying she looks like a monkey. Definitely it. No other possible reason.

Damn those dems forcing people to say racist things.

Hysterical! Bravo!
delta1 Offline
#148 Posted:
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Just had an interesting thought....yea yea, I know...

What if Roseanne had been doing a stand-up routine, on a late night cable TV comedy show, and said the exact same thing that she tweeted about Valerie Jarrett? Think ABC would have fired her and cancelled her show?

I dunno....
teedubbya Offline
#149 Posted:
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dunno. she tweeted the birther and soros nonsense for years with no repercussions. this probably wasn't a big deal to her. it had to become blatantly racist before it haunted her..... birtherism wasn't racist enough

thats whats funny about the trumpian responses.... Rosanne (and Trump) called many people many vulgar or crappy names and was never fired (nor was Mr. Apprentice). its just when she went blatant racist. therefor someone else calling someone names isn't the equivalent.... it wasn't even for rosanne. Shed still have her show had she called VJ a feckless c*nt. But its a good deversion.



although I did find sally fields response sort of funny

"I like Samantha Bee a lot, but she is flat wrong to call Ivanka a c*nt.

C*nts are powerful, beautiful, nurturing and honest."
victor809 Offline
#150 Posted:
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Hell... In the same tweetstorm, Barr accused Soros of being a Jewish Nazi collaborator and thief (kind of improbable given the age)... Very few people are having a fit about that.

... It isn't insults...it isn't what political party a person belongs to... Whiny thin skinned conservatives with no sense of personal responsibility want to pretend it is... It's racism that got her fired.
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