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DrafterX Offline
#1 Posted: Tue, Jun 5 2018, 8:51 AM EST
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So it seems... Mellow
ZRX1200 Offline
#2 Posted: Tue, Jun 5 2018, 10:17 AM EST
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Bassturds.
ZRX1200 Offline
#3 Posted: Tue, Jun 5 2018, 10:18 AM EST
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Forced patriotism, isn't patriotism.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#4 Posted: Tue, Jun 5 2018, 10:18 AM EST
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Who cares... hotel california sucks...
bgz Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, Jun 5 2018, 11:25 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Forced patriotism, isn't patriotism.


The government isn't forcing the players to stand. The NFL made the rule change because they saw their bottom line shrinking... which is their right to change their internal policies.

There were very few Eagles planning to go to the white house, so Trump being Trump cancelled the celebration... which is his right to do so.

With that said, just because they can protest the anthem doesn't mean people won't be offended by it... if people weren't offended by it, would it have caused the uproar it has? I would say it was a moderately successful campaign by the participating players, even though I personally don't agree with their platform of choice.

And Trump... well, that guy opens his mouth way too much... or more precisely his two fat finger hunt and pecking with a giant scowl on his face. Should he be shooting from the hip as much as he does? I personally don't think so... but again, it's his right to do so.

There is nothing being forced on anyone, and everyone's right to free speech is preserved.... which is the way it should be, even if both sides are pissing off half the country.
DrafterX Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Jun 5 2018, 11:49 AM EST
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Trump coulda handled it better I think.. he coulda given the 9 that wanted to come H&K MP5s and flown them to da Bahamas in Air Force One if he really wanted to pissoff the bad Eagles.. Mellow
RMAN4443 Offline
#7 Posted: Tue, Jun 5 2018, 12:05 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Who cares... hotel california sucks...

I thought Joe Walsh made them better,,,,Anxious
bgz Offline
#8 Posted: Tue, Jun 5 2018, 12:07 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Trump coulda handled it better I think.. he coulda given the 9 that wanted to come H&K MP5s and flown them to da Bahamas in Air Force One if he really wanted to pissoff the bad Eagles.. Mellow


I agree... I agree with "Trump coulda handled it better" on many different topics.

Your idea would have been pretty epic as long as he was paying for it out of his own pocket :D
DrMaddVibe Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, Jun 5 2018, 12:14 PM EST
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Shame on the Philadelphia Eagles for not even sending an entire offensive and defensive unit to the White House to be honored for winning the Super Bowl.

I believe the President was right to cancel the meeting. Only 9 -12 players showing up? Shame.

The NFL just refuses to understand the mess they still have. There will be lower attendance and viewership...mark my words. They missed a golden opportunity to right the ship. Instead they are doing everything to run her aground full speed.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Jun 5 2018, 12:25 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
I thought Joe Walsh made them better,,,,Anxious

ya, well, fiber makes your crap come out better... but it's still crap...
RMAN4443 Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Jun 5 2018, 12:41 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
ya, well, fiber makes your crap come out better... but it's still crap...

OK, I'll put you on the "No Eagles" list Anxious
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Jun 5 2018, 1:37 PM EST
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Why does EVERYTHING these days have to be political? And yes, Trump could have handled this better.

On a side note, Long and Ertz called out Fox News today for using photos of the players kneeling and praying before the game, implying that they where protesting during the Anthem.

Quote:
Eagles defensive end Chris Long called Fox News complicit in playing America for use of images of Philadelphia players kneeling in prayer before games -- and never during the national anthem -- last season as the network's backdrop for the story of the Super Bowl champions' rescinded invitation.

Long and tight end Zach Ertz used social media to challenge Fox News for its use Tuesday morning of footage of Eagles players praying before games during a segment about protests during the national anthem.

"This can't be serious," Ertz wrote on Twitter. "Praying before games with my teammates, well before the anthem, is being used for your propaganda?! Just sad, I feel like you guys should have to be better than this ...

Long added roughly an hour later: "Imagine wanting to please the boss so very badly that you run stills of guys knelt down PRAYING during pregame," Long wrote. "Not one Eagles player knelt for the anthem this yr. Keep carrying his water to sow division while misrepresenting Christian men. Aren't many of your viewers.. nevermind."


https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/06/05/no-visit-white-house-eagles-spat-continues-tuesday/23451643/

David (dpnewell)
DrafterX Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Jun 5 2018, 1:53 PM EST
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Obama hated Eagles... Mad
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Jun 5 2018, 2:37 PM EST
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^I heard he wanted to change the national bird to the Pigeon so that those in the inner cities wouldn't feel disenfranchised.

David (dpnewell)
DrafterX Offline
#15 Posted: Tue, Jun 5 2018, 2:51 PM EST
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Ben Franklin gave all the SuperBowl champions turkeys.. Mellow
ZRX1200 Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, Jun 5 2018, 3:05 PM EST
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My point bgz was in regards to Trumps statement. Not my personal feeling about the "controversy".
bgz Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, Jun 5 2018, 3:25 PM EST
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I get that... my point was more that Trump does not have the power to force patriotism, where he merely has an opinion just like everyone else. Therefore everybody's rights are preserved.
Abrignac Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, Jun 5 2018, 3:55 PM EST
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WGAF

The NFL was trudging right along until a brat decided to protest being benched.

The players and owners took sides. One side was elated and kept spending. The other side got pissed and quit spending. Net effect = loss revenue.
fiddler898 Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, Jun 5 2018, 4:24 PM EST
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How does a decision not to go to the White House equal hatred of America?
opelmanta1900 Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, Jun 5 2018, 5:12 PM EST
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Definitely something a communist would say...
delta1 Offline
#21 Posted: Tue, Jun 5 2018, 5:35 PM EST
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fiddler898 wrote:
How does a decision not to go to the White House equal hatred of America?

Gotta getcha a copy of the con's lexicon: Hatred = actions and words by libs that they disagree with
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, Jun 5 2018, 6:03 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Gotta getcha a copy of the con's lexicon: Hatred = actions and words by libs that they disagree with


Sorry Al, but that definition covers both sides. Whenever I challenge a prog on one of those left leaning boards, the first word out of their mouth is hater. Oh, and a uneducated, misogynist, homophobe, trailer park racist with poor dental hygiene, a desire to have relations with my sister, and an IQ of 8.
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#23 Posted: Tue, Jun 5 2018, 6:07 PM EST
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Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
Sorry Al, but that definition covers both sides. Whenever I challenge a prog on one of those left leaning boards, the first word out of their mouth is hater. Oh, and a uneducated, misogynist, homophobe, trailer park racist with poor dental hygiene, a desire to have relations with my sister, and an IQ of 8.

Tell me a little about your sister.....


Sarcasm
frankj1 Offline
#24 Posted: Tue, Jun 5 2018, 6:25 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
Tell me a little about your sister.....


Sarcasm

ok, but first put a fresh plug in your mouf.
Speyside Offline
#25 Posted: Tue, Jun 5 2018, 7:53 PM EST
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3 points.

1) The Eagles never kneeled.
2) The Eagles never stayed in the locker room.
3) Going to the White House is not part of a players
contract.
ZRX1200 Offline
#26 Posted: Tue, Jun 5 2018, 7:55 PM EST
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4) the Eagles had 89 people submitted for clearance to the White House in February.

5) the Eagles decided this week to tell the White House that 6 people were coming.

They were rude, and the Donald did the right thing.
Speyside Offline
#27 Posted: Tue, Jun 5 2018, 7:59 PM EST
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All true, but that does not mean they hate America. Do they hate Trump, yeah.
frankj1 Offline
#28 Posted: Tue, Jun 5 2018, 7:59 PM EST
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aside from 83 people being rude, what were the reasons you heard?
fiddler898 Offline
#29 Posted: Tue, Jun 5 2018, 8:26 PM EST
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I think Z meant 6 people were being rude.

😎
DrMaddVibe Offline
#30 Posted: Wed, Jun 6 2018, 9:39 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
3 points.

1) The Eagles never kneeled.
2) The Eagles never stayed in the locker room.
3) Going to the White House is not part of a players
contract.


All 3 are correct.

A lot of people bad mouth the Eagles and their fans. This latest stunt didn't help them at all.

Had they showed up as an entire team they would've shown everyone that they really are champions. That they were a better team for not kneeling or hiding in locker rooms. That being an underdog means never giving up and meeting any sitting President is an honor regardless of ones political beliefs. Those didn't win the Super Bowl. Being men did.

Instead they looked like a weak and spineless organization.

I've been a fan of theirs for decades going back before I hit my teen years. This escapade is more embarrassing to me than them losing the Super Bowls they played in. At least they showed up.

The NFL is in trouble. Last season the tickets were already bought. Get ready for more kneeling and hiding. I hope they fully understand that more fans are going to walk. Also, there is a new league waiting in the wings that will outflank any pitfalls the NFL ignores. Watch people react to them.
Speyside Offline
#31 Posted: Wed, Jun 6 2018, 12:41 PM EST
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Doc, I can't disagree with any of your points. One of my points is Fox and Trump lied about The Eagles. As usual our president showed his azz. Not by cancelling, but by lying. I think the players made a mistake by choosing not to go to the White House. But they absolutly have the right to make that mistake. I would be honored to be invited to the White House and would gladly go even though I do not like President Trump. My other point is this is different than not standing or being on the field for the anthem. I think the leagues response to that is insufficient. Fine any player not standing on the sideline during the anthem a week's pay. I think their tune would soon change. I am tired of other liberals calling this freedom of speech. It is on company time and it is a workplace issue.
bgz Offline
#32 Posted: Wed, Jun 6 2018, 1:16 PM EST
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They can't fine the players without changing the collective bargaining agreement. That's why they have to fine the teams instead, and then it's up to the team to put it's own policy in place.
Speyside Offline
#33 Posted: Wed, Jun 6 2018, 1:52 PM EST
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Ok, that now makes more sense.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#34 Posted: Wed, Jun 6 2018, 2:05 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Doc, I can't disagree with any of your points. One of my points is Fox and Trump lied about The Eagles. As usual our president showed his azz. Not by cancelling, but by lying. I think the players made a mistake by choosing not to go to the White House. But they absolutly have the right to make that mistake. I would be honored to be invited to the White House and would gladly go even though I do not like President Trump. My other point is this is different than not standing or being on the field for the anthem. I think the leagues response to that is insufficient. Fine any player not standing on the sideline during the anthem a week's pay. I think their tune would soon change. I am tired of other liberals calling this freedom of speech. It is on company time and it is a workplace issue.



I fully understand, I was clarifying my POV on it.

As much as he watches Fox News...I don't know if he got it from there first or vice versa...I don't follow either that much to really make a case.

The league is at fault for not following the rules they already had on the books prior to last season.

Here’s what the game operations manual says regarding the national anthem, according to an NFL spokesperson:

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.

http://time.com/4955704/nfl-league-rulebook-a62-63-national-anthem-rule/

The NFL chose to skate all the way to the edge. Now they're out on thin ice.

What irks me in this, is that Sports is supposed to be that safe place where all people can gather and relax, have a cold beer and enjoy the game. Not anymore. Now, we can't even have that.
DrafterX Offline
#35 Posted: Wed, Jun 6 2018, 2:09 PM EST
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Santa Claus learned that a long time ago... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
#36 Posted: Wed, Jun 6 2018, 2:15 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Santa Claus learned that a long time ago... Mellow


https://www.sbnation.com/2018/2/1/16946406/eagles-santa-claus-history-booing-snowballs
teedubbya Offline
#37 Posted: Wed, Jun 6 2018, 2:44 PM EST
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Although I voted for GWB (winky mcflightsuit) I became disillusioned with him after I figured out his administration was lying and fabricating things to justify attacking Iraq. As I stated in here my oh crap moment was Powell's non- Adlai Stevenson moment in the UN. I actually believed until that moment they knew something I didn't, but at that moment I knew the administration was full of crap. Thus I turned from the guy I voted for and was called an unpatriotic dem liberal etc in here. My tribe couldn't accept the truth. It got to the point I couldn't stand the man. I've softened a little since. We can thank Bammy and Don the Con for that.


All that aside, I was on stage with Winky during a televised town hall. It was an experience I will always remember and was in many ways an honor. I suspect they put me in the television frame the entire time mostly because my naturally good looks suited their needs and I was an added value for them, but non the less it was an honor regardless of which buffoon is in office at the moment. I will say this though.... Winky honored the office like him or not. Not so much with the new guy. He has no respect for the office of the President making it hard for some to reciprocate. Just because he acts like a respect-less buffoon doesn't justify others doing the same. We should respect the office even when he doesn't.
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#38 Posted: Wed, Jun 6 2018, 3:07 PM EST
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True.. true... Mellow
delta1 Offline
#39 Posted: Wed, Jun 6 2018, 4:01 PM EST
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All of you who are calling the Eagles haters...where were you when...

http://theweek.com/articles/460872/18-athletes-who-refused-visit-white-house

Most of those guys who refused to visit the White House were white guys who disagreed with the politics of an incumbent Dem President, with Obama being jilted most often (11 of the 18)...

So it's only hatred and a travesty when dark-skinned libs decline a to visit the WH when a Republican is in office, but otherwise a courageous exercise of 1st Amendment Right when a con passes on a pat on the back by a Democrat President...

I'm in favor of going back to the days when the WH stops putting championship teams in the spotlight and on a pedestal...basking in each other's glow has gotten way too divisive...
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#40 Posted: Wed, Jun 6 2018, 4:04 PM EST
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I vote buffoons all the way around regardless of party
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#41 Posted: Wed, Jun 6 2018, 4:59 PM EST
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Al, there were posts about James Harrison when that was happening. Tried a search but couldn't find the thread.
bgz Offline
#42 Posted: Wed, Jun 6 2018, 5:35 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I vote buffoons all the way around regardless of party


True. Personally I don't GAF, I watch sports for the sake of watching sports. I don't care about their politics.
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#43 Posted: Thu, Jun 7 2018, 4:43 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
All of you who are calling the Eagles haters...where were you when...

http://theweek.com/articles/460872/18-athletes-who-refused-visit-white-house

Most of those guys who refused to visit the White House were white guys who disagreed with the politics of an incumbent Dem President, with Obama being jilted most often (11 of the 18)...

So it's only hatred and a travesty when dark-skinned libs decline a to visit the WH when a Republican is in office, but otherwise a courageous exercise of 1st Amendment Right when a con passes on a pat on the back by a Democrat President...

I'm in favor of going back to the days when the WH stops putting championship teams in the spotlight and on a pedestal...basking in each other's glow has gotten way too divisive...



Who gives a flying **** what color they were?

You mis-played your card, sir.
qmech Offline
#44 Posted: Thu, Jun 7 2018, 5:43 PM EST
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Old grand-pappy fog once told me that Eagles' fans are almost as obnoxious as Jet fans..Is that true?Beer
Q
DrMaddVibe Offline
#45 Posted: Thu, Jun 7 2018, 5:45 PM EST
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"President Obama honored the 1972 Miami Dolphins this week, the only NFL team to complete an undefeated season (sorry, Patriots fans). However, three members of that team — Hall of Fame center Jim Langer, guard Bob Kuechenberg, and defensive tackle Manny Fernandez — declined the invite, citing political differences."


So...he invites a team that won a Super Bowl back in 1972 and he expects everyone to show up? Seriously?

3 out of the whole team...that are still alive mind you.

Not your best attempt.
qmech Offline
#46 Posted: Thu, Jun 7 2018, 5:46 PM EST
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Did delta1 just Trump you with the race card????😯😁
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DrMaddVibe Offline
#47 Posted: Thu, Jun 7 2018, 5:46 PM EST
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qmech wrote:
Old grand-pappy fog once told me that Eagles' fans are almost as obnoxious as Jet fans..Is that true?Beer
Q



Meh...they're not any worse than any other fan. They just have a long aversion to their Eagle detractors!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#48 Posted: Thu, Jun 7 2018, 5:47 PM EST
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qmech wrote:
Did delta1 just Trump you with the race card????😯😁
Q



That was dealt off the bottom of the deck...I saw what you did there...well played.
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#49 Posted: Thu, Jun 7 2018, 5:51 PM EST
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^ Is your first statement not true of a number of the race cards played these days?😀
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DrMaddVibe Offline
#50 Posted: Thu, Jun 7 2018, 6:08 PM EST
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To be perfectly honest...I think 98.2% of the times the race card is played it's B$.

Some just need the attention more than others and will use any means to get it. Doesn't mean that there are justified means to use it...it's just rare.
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