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Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#51 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
.... If you're carrying a gun and someone shoves you, what will you do macs?


Personally, I'd excuss myself and walk away. My firearms are for defense of life, not defense of ego. Whether armed or un-armed, I show others the utmost respect and avoid situations of conflict.

There's the differance between you and me Victor. I'm almost 61 years old and I have never been in a fight (outside of High School), nor has anyone ever shoved me. But if you are constantly worrying about getting into fights, or put yourself in situations where you get shoved, then I applaud you for not carrying a firearm.


David (dpnewell)
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#52 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Or a more interesting scenario.... If they randomly hit your wife? (And yes sh$t like that happens with the homeless here)



Maybe you need to get out of California and to somewhere where folks respect each other.


Oh, and if my wife was randomly hit? She would do the same as I. Unless she felt her life was in danger, she would walk away. Again, our firearms are for defense of life only, not defense of ego or revenge.

David (dpnewell)
victor809 Offline
#53 Posted:
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MACS... I'm talking about scenarios which happened... I live in the city. The woman has been shoved and hit by homeless people just walking on the street (I was not present during these). I go to bars... I was drinking with people who do randomly start hitting each other just a couple months ago. Usually they do it in good fun... But sometimes it goes bad (the idiots literally knocked a tooth out in good fun once). Sometimes these things get a little violent. Not a lot violent, just a little... Seems to me that having a firearm would limit your options to either staying out of it, or escalating it. That's a limit.
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#54 Posted:
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David, I agree with you 100% about the purpose of firearms.

My entire point (it isn't a huge point, I don't know why people are arguing it) is that if you are armed you are responsible for choosing to drop issues like that and walk away, and in my life those sorts of issues pop up way more often than "imminent threat to my life".
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#55 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
MACS... I'm talking about scenarios which happened... I live in the city. The woman has been shoved and hit by homeless people just walking on the street (I was not present during these). I go to bars... I was drinking with people who do randomly start hitting each other just a couple months ago. Usually they do it in good fun... But sometimes it goes bad (the idiots literally knocked a tooth out in good fun once). Sometimes these things get a little violent. Not a lot violent, just a little... Seems to me that having a firearm would limit your options to either staying out of it, or escalating it. That's a limit.



I think you'll find that in California, as well as many states, it is illegal for a CCW holder to carry his weapon into a bar. Doing so is a violation of law, so for law abiding gun owners like Macs and myself, your scenerio would never happen.

David (dpnewell)
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#56 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
David, I agree with you 100% about the purpose of firearms.

My entire point (it isn't a huge point, I don't know why people are arguing it) is that if you are armed you are responsible for choosing to drop issues like that and walk away, and in my life those sorts of issues pop up way more often than "imminent threat to my life".



Understood. Let me reiterate. If those are the situations you face on a normal bases, then again, I applude you for having the sense to not carry a firearm. I personally do not allow myself to be in those situations, but we are different people with different life styles. If someone does not want to own a gun or carry a firearm for any reason, that's perfectly fine with me. What upsets me is when others (I'm not talking about you) try to take that right away from me and mine.


David (dpnewell)
DrafterX Offline
#57 Posted:
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Applause
victor809 Offline
#58 Posted:
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Fair enough David.
DrafterX Offline
#59 Posted:
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Ram has a bat... Mellow
qmech Offline
#60 Posted:
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Like Theodore Roosevelt's big stick? 😁
Q
gummy jones Offline
#61 Posted:
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[Inner dialogue] "that guy just bumped into me! If only I didn't have this gun I could walk away, say something witty, say something mean, push him, slap him, urinate in his general direction or throw a rock at him. Oh well, there's always tomorrow. better hurry up and shoot him..."
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#62 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Ram has a bat... Mellow


I was at Ram's house for a herf once and saw his bat. It was a black, scary ASSUALT BAT!

David (dpnewell)
victor809 Offline
#63 Posted:
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That wasn't his bat... That was his sex toy collection...
delta1 Offline
#64 Posted:
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I spent two days with victor...never felt threatened, never thought I needed a gun...alcohol, cigars and some cannabis was involved...as were many sharp objects...my conclusion is that he is an amiable and thoughtful guy with intelligence and humor...
RMAN4443 Offline
#65 Posted:
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qmech wrote:
Like Theodore Roosevelt's big stick? 😁
Q

My dog just came in the back door carrying a big stick....she put it down next to the 3 rocks she brought in earlier...I think she's going to build herself a house Anxious
RMAN4443 Offline
#66 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
I spent two days with victor...never felt threatened, never thought I needed a gun...alcohol, cigars and some cannabis was involved...as were many sharp objects...my conclusion is that he is an amiable and thoughtful guy with intelligence and humor...

Yeah,but that's only because he wasn't packing Anxious
MACS Offline
#67 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
David, I agree with you 100% about the purpose of firearms.

My entire point (it isn't a huge point, I don't know why people are arguing it) is that if you are armed you are responsible for choosing to drop issues like that and walk away, and in my life those sorts of issues pop up way more often than "imminent threat to my life".


If this is the case for you, then you're smart not to carry. In all honesty, when I did carry (my ccw expired and I have yet to renew) it made me more careful and less reckless. As I get older I realize it just isn't worth it... and if I do anything stupid I could lose my job.
frankj1 Offline
#68 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
If this is the case for you, then you're smart not to carry. In all honesty, when I did carry (my ccw expired and I have yet to renew) it made me more careful and less reckless. As I get older I realize it just isn't worth it... and if I do anything stupid I could lose my job.

I've been getting that exact point as a big part of what Victor means...can't do anything gun-stoopid if he's not carrying. Adds a whole nutha level of legal problems to an altercation.
delta1 Offline
#69 Posted:
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and requires one to be more thoughtful and considered about one's surroundings and the people in them...prolly not a good idea in a very diverse location where you are not familiar with everyone there. and alcohol, close proximity, and exuberance are part of the equation...
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#70 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
and requires one to be more thoughtful and considered about one's surroundings and the people in them...prolly not a good idea in a very diverse location where you are not familiar with everyone there. and alcohol, close proximity, and exuberance are part of the equation...

which probably has a lot to do with why dpnewell avoids such situations.
he and Victor are both being responsible in their real worlds.
teedubbya Offline
#71 Posted:
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I don’t carry often because of my lifestyle. You can’t carry if you consume any amount of alcohol.

Yesterday I grabbed a sandwich at a local establishment and had two beers. If I was carrying I could not have.

I have a safe in my car. I could have put a gun in there but it’s still not legal. Zero alcohol.

My guess is some ignore that. That’s a huge risk I’m not ready to take. A simple fender bender becomes a huge ordeal. A simple non alcohol related mistake can become gun charges. Or at least a very expensive legal journey.

That’s not to mention legitimately pulling your gun with one beer in you. Good luck with that.

I’ve was carrying last Halloween when I took my daughter to a trick or treat neighborhood party. Was offered a great scotch. Had to pass it up. One would not have hurt me but it’s not worth the risk.

My guess is some in here choose the perceived risk of a bad guy over the risk of getting caught drinking however so little because they don’t get drunk. I don’t. I never needed a gun against a bad guy yet. I’ve drank small amounts here and there socially my entire adult life.

If you drink one drop your gun should be nowhere near you. I choose to not be that limited and not take that risk. It’s not about .08. It’s about .0000000001. Too many anti gun zealots to rely on good common sense.

I’ll be carrying this afternoon on the trail. I won’t this evening when I go in to town.
DrafterX Offline
#72 Posted:
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On the trail..?? You got a lead on CROS..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
#73 Posted:
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If I see CROS I’ll roll him down a hill just for giggles. No gun play though.
DrafterX Offline
#74 Posted:
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Poor CROS... Sad
teedubbya Offline
#75 Posted:
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Screw CROS
DrafterX Offline
#76 Posted:
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OhMyGod
Pharmdman84 Offline
#77 Posted:
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I have nothing against gun ownership, I own several myself, but comparing carrying a loaded firearm to having insurance, or wearing a seat belt sounds pretty ludicrous to me. Only one of these things is a deadly weapon with the express purpose of harming/killing.

Also no matter how careful or responsible one is, there is always the chance (however unlikely) of accidents, or someone managing to get their hands on your gun, etc.
Pharmdman84 Offline
#78 Posted:
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Just saying... not trying to start anything 😜
frankj1 Offline
#79 Posted:
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Pharmdman84 wrote:
Just saying... not trying to start anything 😜

too late...


hmmm, a lib leaner with a gun?
around here, you'll get accused of wanting the government to confiscate all 300 million in circulation.
Pharmdman84 Offline
#80 Posted:
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Lol... That’s not unusual. It seems to be a *very* sensitive topic these days, among many. Very difficult to have any kind of reasonable discussion.
frankj1 Offline
#81 Posted:
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well then, you've come to the right place.

you may want to introduce yourself in he general discussion forum...and then buy a thick coat cuz you're gonna get rained on big time. But it's worth it if you can survive the initial onslaught.

btw, I banned lol a while back, unless one actually laffed out loud.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#82 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
too late...


hmmm, a lib leaner with a gun?
around here, you'll get accused of wanting the government to confiscate all 300 million in circulation.


I got a little dyselexia so when I read this the first time I thought you called this guy a "lil beaner"... I thought "either frank is having a terrible day or this guy did something in another thread to really piss him off"...
frankj1 Offline
#83 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I got a little dyselexia so when I read this the first time I thought you called this guy a "lil beaner"... I thought "either frank is having a terrible day or this guy did something in another thread to really piss him off"...

you one funny mofo, mofo.

hey. did you sue your neighbor for poisoning you with vertigo?
opelmanta1900 Offline
#84 Posted:
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no no no... Im definitely not sure that was even the cause... and even if I knew for sure it was, we love this guy... helped him through some close to impossible times when his wife suddenly died a few years back... he generally means no harm... he does like to accuse me of not watering his tomato plants when he goes on vacation, but I think he just likes a little drama or something....
frankj1 Offline
#85 Posted:
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figured as much, you're a good guy, but I won't let that get out.
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#86 Posted:
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Pharmdman84 wrote:
I have nothing against gun ownership, I own several myself, but comparing carrying a loaded firearm to having insurance, or wearing a seat belt sounds pretty ludicrous to me. Only one of these things is a deadly weapon with the express purpose of harming/killing.

Also no matter how careful or responsible one is, there is always the chance (however unlikely) of accidents, or someone managing to get their hands on your gun, etc.


Then dang, mine must be defective. I've fired over 10,000 rounds out of mine and have never harmed/killed a single living thing.

Is that the purpose of yours? To harm and kill?

The truth of the matter is that a firearm has one purpose and one only. To fire a projectile. Those projectiles can be used for recreation and sport (target shooting and competition), for putting meat on the table, for defending innocent life, and in the hands of evil, to take innocent life. The operator decides what that projectile does, not the firearm.

The projectiles fired from mine are used for recreation and sport, and if need be, though I pray it's never required, to defend innocent life.


Just saying... not trying to start anything. Whistle

David

teedubbya Offline
#87 Posted:
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You should never point your gun at any living thing you don’t intend to kill.

Guns are designed to kill. You are only practicing at this point.
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#88 Posted:
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^So, are you saying that all gun owners who shoot for recreation or sport are practicing to kill? If so, then I find that statement both offensive and frightening. I shoot for fun and sport. I am not practicing to kill anything.

The operator decides what the purpose of his firearms are. So sad that the purpose of yours is to kill.

David
opelmanta1900 Offline
#89 Posted:
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Speaking of offensive and frightening (and also killing people for recreation or sport), you guys think hank ever got his almost-military-grade sniper rifle?
teedubbya Offline
#90 Posted:
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I’m saying the gun is designed for killing period. You can use as a walking stick if you like but that doesn’t change the purpose.

Please don’t point it at anything you don’t want to kill or destroy. After all it is it’s purpose and the number one rule in gun safety.
ZRX1200 Offline
#91 Posted:
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I've shot better civilian sniper rifles than military.
teedubbya Offline
#92 Posted:
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I just got an inexplicable Lyman lift with my protektor bags. Hope to use it today.

I’ll likely never kill anything with my rifle. I just target shoot. If need be the thing should be great at rodent headshots and 50 yards and kills at 100 yards. It’s just a .22.
teedubbya Offline
#93 Posted:
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Inexpensive lol
teedubbya Offline
#94 Posted:
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By the way concealed carry typically means you are carrying for defense. If you pull that gun it had better be with full intent to use that gun as it is designed..... to kill.

I hope I never have to, and dread ever having to make that decision. So far I have not. That doesn’t change the purpose of the gun.
DrafterX Offline
#95 Posted:
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I have a purpose... Mellow
ZRX1200 Offline
#96 Posted:
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Teedubya, I know a guy who's brandished multiple times....don't talk to the idiot anymore.
RMAN4443 Offline
#97 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
I have a purpose... Mellow

I have a special purpose....https://youtu.be/ymucqmjJs20
Anxious
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