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This topic has generated much discussion in another thread about Manafort in the Politics board. It deserves its own space...

The Trump Administration has recently enforced a new immigration policy: zero-tolerance for illegal entry into our country at the border. This policy differs from every other border protection policy because it includes purposely separating children from their parents... separating families when they are apprehended crossing our border illegally, placing them in different detention facilities while awaiting adjudication...either criminal prosecution or asylum hearings...

There are polls showing that there is bi-partisan opposition to this: 2 of 3 Americans are opposed. Politically, many high profile GOP Congressmen and GOP Senators have publicly denounced this procedure, joining near universal condemnation by the Dems...

Is this the right thing to do to secure our borders? America, a country whose foundation is a history of accomplishment by immigrants from all over the world.

Don't commit the crime if you can't do the time.

Most people nowadays don't even believe in God so we can throw that out the window. It used to be an arbiter that as a society we were measured against. Not any more. Nobody has time for it or doesn't admit it's benefit or are just brave enough to claim they are. People are actually laughed at and in an odd manner persecuted for those beliefs and its ok with today's society. When only one side is going to actually believe then the faith (pardon the pun!) is broken.

There is a real monetary figure associated with this issue. Federal and State budgets are bloated from this issue alone. The state of California has become a poster child of how NOT to do it. There are legal ways to become a citizen. Running for the border of a foreign nation and expecting them to welcome you and shower you with everything is on them, not law-abiding citizens and those wishing to become citizens. What loving parent would dare put their family through that? I'm not even talking about those seeking political asylum either, of which there are some.

After the Elian Gonzalez debacle, I'm pretty much over our government doing anything. In that case they sent in law enforcement in full riot gear armed to the teeth to take away little boy who's mother dared to leave a repressive government for the sake of "Wet Foot/Dry Foot". After seeing Cuba from the shores of Key West (on a clear day!) I wouldn't want to make that treacherous journey and after being on open sea on a sail boat that pretty much cemented it in too! It had to be bad to try. It hasn't gotten any better.

What I see is the DNC looking for a new voting bloc despite the last 8 years of putting children in locked cages and tried to pass it off like it was Trump doing it until they got caught! The GOP isn't any better, however they have tried several times to pass legislation that dies on the vine because there's no assistance from the left on it.

Blaming the current administration for something that legislation needs to be written for is a joke. The last guy just saw his legacy ripped to shreds because of Executive Order decrees. There is a reason why you have to go through the Legislative Branch. There is a reason why you can just sign away all of them too. Being lazy with legislation is serious business with what we can see now, serious outcomes. Where was the gnashing of teeth and the screaming into the cameras then? Complete and utter silence. The Media...the bastion of Free Speech provided political cover and stuck their collective heads in the sand.

So, until both parties are willing to craft common sense legislation this game of tears is going to go on. It's going on all over the globe now too.

^^^^THIS


It's too bad their parents are using them as a political pawn to continue UNFETTERED ILLEGAL ENTRY into OUR country and then try to shame us for wanting....NEEDING our LAWS enforced.


F -em……..and F the churches who took Obama' ( US tax dollars ) if they'd accept and take these illegal invaders only to redistribute them across the entire US. under the cover of darkness

Keep believing that. It's just a summer camp!

Think how bad things must be for you to pick up and leave your life in a desperate attempt for something better. In many of these cases it involves threats of death from gangs etc. Combine that with language issues, probably education issues as well as probably lack of information (those of us that actually live here are ill informed but they should know whats up?)and it rings hollow to me that they should know better and its their fault. In many cases they are desperately trying to save the lives of themselves and their kids. To pretend that isn't the case to me is being myopic and applying your knowledge base to their situation. A knowledge base they do not have. it's a simple way to justify or make yourself feel better. And of course there are always exceptions and bad hombres.

I do have an issue with us wanting to become worse than what they are trying to escape as a deterrent. Think about what they are trying to escape and what that means.

And no that does not mean let everyone come in willy nilly and no borders. It's not one extreme or the other. Just keep the families together, go through the process, cut the false information campaign fueling the anti immigration rhetoric, and send the majority back as a family while giving the folks that truly need asylum a path.

This is a manufactured crisis.

And the crime committed by these kids who are doing the time is...

Go ahead, we'll wait.

Nowhere do I suggest not controlling who comes here. That's a non starter with me. Keep the families together and start the process. Kill the disinformation campaign and propaganda creating boogie men.

As for the catholic church, I'm not a huge fan or an enemy. But if you can discount them in this instance because you think they are money grubbing then you are in a different place than I. My church is condemning this and I don't hear any talk of it being financially driven. I think that is nonsense for the Catholics.

There is no way these parents know what you know or think how you think. They come from a very different place. Projecting what you know on to them lacks any sense of basic empathy (not directed at ZRX).

Protect our borders. But this is unnecessary and something we will all be ashamed of ultimately. (Ok some will never be ashamed of it but they are the minority)

OR....think about ALL THE F'n FREEBIES that will be ROLLED OUT @ tax payer expense for their enjoyment....FREEBIES that we do not necessarily offer to born and raised Americans. My heart doesn't bleed. There ARE many Latinos who are rightfully so mote upset than those of us here....they went through our countries process for gaining citizenship and actually TAKE PRIDE in having done so....

If me and my wife committed a crime tomorrow, serious enough that we had to serve a few months, do the kids go with me to jail or with my wife to jail? Or do we all get locked up in the same cell in the name of keeping families together?

As for the argument that these people are fleeing violence and chaos and just looking for anything better, i think that's mostly bs... if things were so unlivable, everyone would flee, not just a dozen here, a dozen there... I'm not saying it's a great life, just that it isn't "join a cartel or die" like some media might have you believe...

Also, there are a lot of nice places between central America and America... Mexico city for instance... any idea why these poor immigrants who just want a better life don't stop there instead of traveling several hundred more miles to our country?

Finally, as for the catholic church, wgaf what their position is? You're talking about a group of professional pedophiles and pedophile protectors... why would anyone care what they think should be happening to children?

Ya..

Yet it was this admin that made the change. I think both are making it a wedge issue, it just happens to be this administration that is pushing it at the moment.


Z you know we can disagree and all is cool. I just strongly disagree with you.

Talk to some Latinos who came here legally....then get back with me.

I would consider them 100% equally sad... you believe everyone with off white skin wants to sneak into this country 8.9 months pregnant and start poppin out welfare babies as quick as they can...

TW believes that innocent children being separated from their criminal parents is a new phenomenon created by the evil trump administration...

You've both purchased rhetoric at the price of independent thought... both are sad... I'm gonna go cry for both of you...

Opel you are right. It's not a new phenomenon. It's just been accelerated and intensified for political purposes by this admin.

Each little kid should be detained with either the mother or the father.

Each little kid should be detained with either the mother or the father.

To be clear, the enforcement of certain laws that were not previously enforced by the obama administration, that's what has been accelerated... obviously, if more criminals are being arrested, then more criminals will be separated from their children as a result of that... when you break the law and are arrested for it, your kids don't come with you...

Agreed... but also not enforced this way by Bush, Clinton, etc....

and usually kids are not separated from their parents for indefinite periods of time with no clear idea of how or when they will be reunited when a parent is charged with a misdemeanor... this is a slightly different scenereo


detain, keep them together, deport if appropriate.


This escalation is a political maneuver

and yes both parties have blood on their hands.... or wherever to quote a great philosopher

I am not pro illegal immigration even though anything short of steven miller frothing is considered so

how many domestic criminals do you know that are charged (actually not even charged yet) with a misdemeanor, detained indefinitely and separated from their children with no idea when they will (if ever) be united....


we can apply common sense and common decency here... its not a competition to treat them worse than another group.

Yes I would rather have the children with a parent

Me too. Then deport them. Unless they have a visa.

What?

You won't see me supporting Obama or the approach he took. I also don't know the real statistics of how often they didn't show up. I have seen a bunch of bogus data from bogus sources and have seen that thrown about.

That said, detain them. Just keep the kids with a parent. Then deport as appropriate. That's all I'm saying. Splitting them apart serves only one purpose.... and it's an ugly one. It's working.

Disney should donate a couple cruise ships so the kids can stay with their criminal parents...

It's kinda interesting how we are all of sudden picking which laws to enforce or ignore... If the kid of a criminal illegal was packing should we let him keep his gun..??