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bgz Offline
#51 Posted:
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I'm not bothered by it as long as they are not being abused. What I'm saying, is I think the kids are more likely to be abused in a mixed detention environment.

I personally think it's a better solution to separate them.
teedubbya Offline
#52 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
I'm not bothered by it as long as they are not being abused. What I'm saying, is I think the kids are more likely to be abused in a mixed detention environment.

I personally think it's a better solution to separate them.



The American Academy of Pediatrics disagrees with you
DrMaddVibe Offline
#53 Posted:
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http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/19/photos-obama-immigration-detention-facilities

“Obama administration prosecuted nearly 500,000 illegal immigrants between FY 2010-FY2016. They referred 1/5 of illegals for prosecution, which often resulted in family separations.”


Why all the crying now? Oh yeah...the economy is still going strong...we can't talk about that.

Next designed feigned outrage in 3...2...
ZRX1200 Offline
#54 Posted:
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DMV it's political deflection.
ZRX1200 Offline
#55 Posted:
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Did you see Nelson and Wasserman-Schithead?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#56 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
DMV it's political deflection.



With a splash of Kabuki theater!

https://youtu.be/eGuSdXiFtLk
bgz Offline
#57 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
The American Academy of Pediatrics disagrees with you


I don't know if they are any more qualified to make that assessment than anyone else. How many illegal border crossers do they know? If given a choice, would they trust their own children caged with a bunch of random poverty stricken people from third world countries, or with trained professionals that are held accountable for their actions?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#58 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Did you see Nelson and Wasserman-Schithead?



Oh yeah. Non-stop down here. She's trying to save face and deflect from her own "issues" with this BS.


"For the kids"...what a joke.

If you look at the YouTube I posted...listen to the guy that does it for a living. The CNN shill is doing everything to dig at him...he holds his own because he's seen it and done it. Not see some crying kid on the side of the road in a pic taken God knows when. I used to laugh when I'd hear "Fake News"...daggone there's a lot of truth to it. The Left have lost their ever loving minds. Can you imagine when the Blue Wave gets exposed as the vapor it is how they will behave?

This is amateur hour. Just wait.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#59 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
I don't know if they are any more qualified to make that assessment than anyone else. How many illegal border crossers do they know? If given a choice, would they trust their own children caged with a bunch of random poverty stricken people from third world countries, or with trained professionals that are held accountable for their actions?



What do the Mexican Academy of Pediatrics have to say about this? It's their kids.
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#60 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/19/photos-obama-immigration-detention-facilities

“Obama administration prosecuted nearly 500,000 illegal immigrants between FY 2010-FY2016. They referred 1/5 of illegals for prosecution, which often resulted in family separations.”
...



Racist... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
#61 Posted:
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http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis


Here ya go.

Schumer wants Trump to Executive Order and wish the problem away. So they won't have to do anything!

“There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense,” Schumer told reporters. “Legislation is not the way to go here when it’s so easy for the president to sign it.”

A high ranking Democrat stating that he will not do anything to fix the issue. Didn't want to help with DACA...now this. I said on that post that they didn't care and now with this...the DNC doesn't care. They're not going to do anything.

Instead of looking at Trump like he's the problem on this...look at the people that write legislation. Trump is just the President and I for one, don't like a President ruling by Executive Order.
bgz Offline
#62 Posted:
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Ya, if they truly cared, they would be working towards a real solution. They don't want a solution, they want a bandaid so they don't have to address it... ever.

Cheap labor and votes... neither side wants to deal with it.

Trump is trying to force the issue, and that's a good thing IMO.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#63 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
I'm not bothered by it as long as they are not being abused. What I'm saying, is I think the kids are more likely to be abused in a mixed detention environment.

I personally think it's a better solution to separate them.



I dunno...Peter Fonda, and he's a Hollywood actor so he can be trusted and knows more than any politician or government official...made the places sound like they were a real prison.



“WE SHOULD RIP BARRON TRUMP FROM HIS MOTHER’S ARMS AND PUT HIM IN A CAGE WITH PEDOPHILES AND SEE IF MOTHER WILL WILL STAND UP AGAINST THE GIANT **** SHE IS MARRIED TO,” That's what he tweeted! The horror.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/20/melania-calls-secret-service-after-actor-peter-fonda-threatens-to-kidnap-barron-trump/
RMAN4443 Offline
#64 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
I've always wished they did more to curb illegal immigration. For years, it seems most people I've talked to felt at least partially the same way.

From what I can tell, illegal immigration has always been a bipartisan issue. The republicans wanted the cheap labor, the democrats wanted the extra votes... so nothing ever got done.

What happens when someone steps up and actually tries to do something about it? Both sides start pleading to the bleeding hearts... it's still a bipartisan issue.

All the elites want illegals to come pouring in.

As far as them separating people at the border... most the kids in the camp came without parents where the parents threw them on the truck hoping they could get through after the kids got in.

They come here because historically it's been easier to get in here than other countries they could possibly sneak into and the penalties are... well, with all the sanctuary cities... no penalties, but BENEFITS!

So, I have no sympathy for them. We have enough people in this country to worry about, we don't need more illegals clogging up our schools and chewing up our tax dollars.

Our immigration laws are some of the most lax in the world, it's about time someone did something about it. You can claim how horrible it is or what ever, but Trump is the first president I ever seen who actually tried to do something about it. We can argue about his methods or what ever, but I'll take this over doing nothing any day of the week.

https://amac.us/illegal-immigrants-cost-health-care-system/
DrMaddVibe Offline
#65 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
Trump is trying to force the issue, and that's a good thing IMO.



I get it. Perhaps that's why everyone has lost their minds with this guy. He's not a "Kick the Can" guy. He wants things fixed.

Que the 3rd grade vernacular now...
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DrafterX wrote:
And once again illegals will get better treatment than lifelong Amarican taxpayers.. Not talking


FIFY...d'oh!


DrafterX wrote:
Disney should donate a couple cruise ships so the kids can stay with their criminal parents... Mellow

Maybe we should just use our tax dollars and buy them all houses so the families can stay together.....you know, like we do for all the homeless families legally in this country Brick wall
delta1 Offline
#67 Posted:
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Wow.....all the folks on the right who were vociferously arguing for the correctness of Trump and his administration's "zero-tolerance" border enforcement policy that separated children from their parents...

Trump left you holding the bag again, saying he's going to do the "right thing"...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-pledges-to-order-end-of-immigrant-family-separations-1529511546

Do the cons now say he's a feckless flip flopper and is wrong for not "enforcing the law"? That Trump somehow was persuaded by people like Frank, rfenst, teedubya, not for showing a heart, compassion, empathy for fellow human beings who, through an accident of birth had to deal with unimaginable, to many of us, circumstances....but for political fire control, expediency...
bgz Offline
#68 Posted:
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Well, assuming that's true... then he caved and nothing will get done. There's no reason for the legislators to work on it now that they got what they want.

CNN and their ilk will be on to the next Trump bashing tirade.

Weak.
teedubbya Offline
#69 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
I don't know if they are any more qualified to make that assessment than anyone else. How many illegal border crossers do they know? If given a choice, would they trust their own children caged with a bunch of random poverty stricken people from third world countries, or with trained professionals that are held accountable for their actions?




I get the sense they have actually looked at it not just here but around the world. I could be wrong.

Here is their statement

“The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) strongly opposes the Border Security and Immigration Reform Act, which was released by the U.S. House of Representatives leadership today. Instead of putting children first by ending the harmful policy of family separation at the border once and for all, this legislation strips children of protections designed for their safety and well-being and exposes more children, not fewer, to detention, including long-term detention. Pediatricians have repeatedly spoken out against the detention of immigrant children; this legislation is not the answer and puts children at greater risk of harm.

“The AAP urges the Department of Homeland Security and Department of Justice to immediately end the policy of family separation. Separating children from their parents contradicts everything we stand for as pediatricians – protecting and promoting children’s health. We know that family separation causes irreparable harm to children. This type of highly stressful experience can disrupt the building of children's brain architecture. Prolonged exposure to serious stress – known as toxic stress – can lead to lifelong health consequences.

“Detention of children is not a solution to the forced separation of children from their parents at the U.S. border. A 2017 AAP policy statement urges that immigrant children seeking safe haven in the United States should never be placed in detention facilities. Studies of detained immigrants have shown that children and parents may suffer negative physical and emotional symptoms from detention, including anxiety, depression and posttraumatic stress disorder. Conditions in U.S. detention facilities, which include forcing children to sleep on cement floors, open toilets, constant light exposure, insufficient food and water, no bathing facilities, and extremely cold temperatures, are traumatizing for children. These are not appropriate places for children.

“We must remember that immigrant children are still children. Protections for children in law or by the courts exist because children are uniquely vulnerable and are at high risk for trauma, trafficking, and violence. The Academy urges the U.S. House of Representatives to reject the Border Security and Immigration Reform Act.”


That said they are pro immunization too.
RMAN4443 Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
I get the sense they have actually looked at it not just here but around the world. I could be wrong.

Here is their statement

“The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) strongly opposes the Border Security and Immigration Reform Act, which was released by the U.S. House of Representatives leadership today. Instead of putting children first by ending the harmful policy of family separation at the border once and for all, this legislation strips children of protections designed for their safety and well-being and exposes more children, not fewer, to detention, including long-term detention. Pediatricians have repeatedly spoken out against the detention of immigrant children; this legislation is not the answer and puts children at greater risk of harm.

“The AAP urges the Department of Homeland Security and Department of Justice to immediately end the policy of family separation. Separating children from their parents contradicts everything we stand for as pediatricians – protecting and promoting children’s health. We know that family separation causes irreparable harm to children. This type of highly stressful experience can disrupt the building of children's brain architecture. Prolonged exposure to serious stress – known as toxic stress – can lead to lifelong health consequences.

“Detention of children is not a solution to the forced separation of children from their parents at the U.S. border. A 2017 AAP policy statement urges that immigrant children seeking safe haven in the United States should never be placed in detention facilities. Studies of detained immigrants have shown that children and parents may suffer negative physical and emotional symptoms from detention, including anxiety, depression and posttraumatic stress disorder. Conditions in U.S. detention facilities, which include forcing children to sleep on cement floors, open toilets, constant light exposure, insufficient food and water, no bathing facilities, and extremely cold temperatures, are traumatizing for children. These are not appropriate places for children.

“We must remember that immigrant children are still children. Protections for children in law or by the courts exist because children are uniquely vulnerable and are at high risk for trauma, trafficking, and violence. The Academy urges the U.S. House of Representatives to reject the Border Security and Immigration Reform Act.”


That said they are pro immunization too.


So no one should be detained due to the risk of anxiety,depression,and PTSD? What about all the kids who committed crimes and are held in juvenile detention centers? That's probabably a bad idea. I bet they have a little anxiety, and they're sorry, so let them go?
And the illegal immigrant parents who actually committed the crime that got this whole ball rolling....we wouldn't want to cause them any anxiety, cause we can pick and choose the crimes that get punished. Illegal border crossing OK....Steal a pack of gum NOT OK
bgz Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
I get the sense they have actually looked at it not just here but around the world. I could be wrong.

Here is their statement

“The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) strongly opposes the Border Security and Immigration Reform Act, which was released by the U.S. House of Representatives leadership today. Instead of putting children first by ending the harmful policy of family separation at the border once and for all, this legislation strips children of protections designed for their safety and well-being and exposes more children, not fewer, to detention, including long-term detention. Pediatricians have repeatedly spoken out against the detention of immigrant children; this legislation is not the answer and puts children at greater risk of harm.

“The AAP urges the Department of Homeland Security and Department of Justice to immediately end the policy of family separation. Separating children from their parents contradicts everything we stand for as pediatricians – protecting and promoting children’s health. We know that family separation causes irreparable harm to children. This type of highly stressful experience can disrupt the building of children's brain architecture. Prolonged exposure to serious stress – known as toxic stress – can lead to lifelong health consequences.

“Detention of children is not a solution to the forced separation of children from their parents at the U.S. border. A 2017 AAP policy statement urges that immigrant children seeking safe haven in the United States should never be placed in detention facilities. Studies of detained immigrants have shown that children and parents may suffer negative physical and emotional symptoms from detention, including anxiety, depression and posttraumatic stress disorder. Conditions in U.S. detention facilities, which include forcing children to sleep on cement floors, open toilets, constant light exposure, insufficient food and water, no bathing facilities, and extremely cold temperatures, are traumatizing for children. These are not appropriate places for children.

“We must remember that immigrant children are still children. Protections for children in law or by the courts exist because children are uniquely vulnerable and are at high risk for trauma, trafficking, and violence. The Academy urges the U.S. House of Representatives to reject the Border Security and Immigration Reform Act.”


That said they are pro immunization too.


Hey, I'm pro immunization too!!!

That said, even though I'm sure they have years of studies to back up what they are saying... reality doesn't always mesh with controlled data studies.

The kids in question have probably already been traumatized to the point of irreparable harm. Also, they are being put in a position where they are adequately fed and provided education and entertainment.

The fact remains though, their parents are breaking our laws and being detained (as they should be).

Is it more safe for the kids to be with their parent(s) in the general population of criminals or in a monitored safe environment geared for children.

Ultimately though, their parents put them in the situation, not us.
ZRX1200 Offline
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/obama-administration-placed-children-with-human-traffickers-report-says/2016/01/28/39465050-c542-11e5-9693-933a4d31bcc8_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.a4b4c43dca56
teedubbya Offline
#73 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/obama-administration-placed-children-with-human-traffickers-report-says/2016/01/28/39465050-c542-11e5-9693-933a4d31bcc8_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.a4b4c43dca56



I haven't had time to read it Z but will assume it true based on the headline. That said it doesn't justify splitting up families.
It does justify not placing kids with traffickers.
teedubbya Offline
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RMAN if that's what you take from it good on you.
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teedubbya wrote:
RMAN if that's what you take from it good on you.

It's a crime to crash our borders....criminals are being detained(some with children)….Adult detention centers are no place to place children...

I just don't understand where you think the children should be placed where they will get all their safety and health needs met

I hear all the talk about the children, but no one has said "I'll step in and take 2-3 of these poor children into my home, and feed and clothe them until their parents come for them(if they ever do)"

if 1000 people would financially support 2 of these children indefinitely they wouldn't be being held in a detention center and the issue would be moot
teedubbya Offline
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RMAN4443 wrote:
It's a crime to crash our borders....criminals are being detained(some with children)….Adult detention centers are no place to place children...

I just don't understand where you think the children should be placed where they will get all their safety and health needs met

I hear all the talk about the children, but no one has said "I'll step in and take 2-3 of these poor children into my home, and feed and clothe them until their parents come for them(if they ever do)"

if 1000 people would financially support 2 of these children indefinitely they wouldn't be being held in a detention center and the issue would be moot



funny you should mention that.... you may think this is BS but my wife and I have been actively talking about doing just that. To the point that we are looking for a bigger house. She has contacts to arrange fostering and has friends already doing so. She's been working with the latino and american Indian communities for years. Much of my opinion s are first hand rather than through the news. Equally unreliable at times.

So in answer to your question.... I know I'm an extreme minority here but I will.... or at least am willing to.

As for family detention its doable and has been done. Its not as if you put them in general population at Leavenworth. Its operationally likely easier than splitting them adn dealing with the kids on their own
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Do they have refugee puppy-dogs..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
#78 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Do they have refugee puppy-dogs..?? Huh



I have a friend that fosters puppy dogs... but they are all here legally
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Are their parents criminals..?? Huh
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teedubbya wrote:
funny you should mention that.... you may think this is BS but my wife and I have been actively talking about doing just that. To the point that we are looking for a bigger house. She has contacts to arrange fostering and has friends already doing so. She's been working with the latino and american Indian communities for years. Much of my opinion s are first hand rather than through the news. Equally unreliable at times.

So in answer to your question.... I know I'm an extreme minority here but I will.... or at least am willing to.

As for family detention its doable and has been done. Its not as if you put them in general population at Leavenworth. Its operationally likely easier than splitting them adn dealing with the kids on their own

I applaud you then Sincerely Applause You are definitely in the minority, but you are pitching in and doing more than paying lip service to the issue.
I can't afford that committment myself.

I do applaud you for yours....Applause Applause Applause
teedubbya Offline
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RMAN4443 wrote:
I applaud you then Sincerely =d> You are definitely in the minority, but you are pitching in and doing more than paying lip service to the issue.
I can't afford that committment myself.

I do applaud you for yours....=d> =d> =d>



In all honesty its her more than me. I'm to lazy and often apathetic. She isn't. We will see where it goes. She does volunteer (aside from her regular work) with both communities. I do help her out with some of that. Some of it is with Hispanic community centers but also with a womens shelter that serves a mostly Hispanic community. The shelter has pretty tight security concerns and is less inclined to allow her to include me. I've done a few things. I am certain not everyone involved is here legally but I've seen and heard some things that strikes at my humanity more than my nationality.

To be clear, it has not happened and could fall through for several reasons making me in the end full of sh*t. I'm not claiming to have done something I have not yet. We are very seriously looking at it to the point of her exploring her contacts and looking at new houses for this purpose. It has nothing to do with the latest news though. We were looking at this beforehand.
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RMAN4443 wrote:
I applaud you then Sincerely Applause You are definitely in the minority, but you are pitching in and doing more than paying lip service to the issue.
I can't afford that committment myself.

I do applaud you for yours....Applause Applause Applause

As you already know, I have a hard time with your "if you empathize with these criminal's kids, take em in" argument.

If you could afford the commitment, and the crime was one you thought was unjustly prosecuted for some reason, would you take in the kids?
bgz Offline
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Just saw Trump signed the action to cease family separation at the border. There's still a zero tolerance in place (which is good). Hopefully official legislation don't stall now indefinitely because of it.

Also, hopefully they don't keep the children in general population and the families have their own quarters.
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Pelosi will still find something wrong with this... Mellow
bgz Offline
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She's just worried Trump is going to raid her house for servants.
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RMAN4443 wrote:
It's a crime to crash our borders....criminals are being detained(some with children)….Adult detention centers are no place to place children...

I just don't understand where you think the children should be placed where they will get all their safety and health needs met

I hear all the talk about the children, but no one has said "I'll step in and take 2-3 of these poor children into my home, and feed and clothe them until their parents come for them(if they ever do)"

if 1000 people would financially support 2 of these children indefinitely they wouldn't be being held in a detention center and the issue would be moot

how about placing the entire families in those converted Walmarts?
ZRX1200 Offline
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I heard she only likes the ones that look like Benson.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I get it. Perhaps that's why everyone has lost their minds with this guy. He's not a "Kick the Can" guy. He wants things fixed.

Que the 3rd grade vernacular now...

Announcement:
Knee jerk emotional responses without analysis has been deemed bad by the current administration.
All those blindly backing the hideous idea of unnecessarily separating kids from families because they were told it would be good leverage for other Trump unnecessary goals...your support is no longer needed.

The POTUS thanks you for admiring testosterone sound bites, but he has looked at reality and realized it is human abuse. He is, after all, flesh and blood.


WOW! I support Trump's unprecedented grasp of reality. Join The Donald and the rest of us with a conscience. Surely, together we can find a way to prosecute illegal immigration effectively without looking like the azzholes of the world.

And there's no need to assume libs want them to be allowed in...so let's knock that off the argument.

How many will abandon the new Trump?
How many will continue to bob their heads without thoughts in their noggins?
I'm applauding...so far.
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/32055/breaking-democrats-reject-legislative-fix-stop-ryan-saavedra
DrafterX Offline
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Still 'Zero Tolerance'... What's the next argument against enforcing the law..?? Think
bgz Offline
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They'll think of something and give CNN their talking points.
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DrafterX wrote:
Still 'Zero Tolerance'... What's the next argument against enforcing the law..?? Think

you guys keep ignoring the libs here saying to send home the illegals...
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HuckFinn wrote:
As you already know, I have a hard time with your "if you empathize with these criminal's kids, take em in" argument.

If you could afford the commitment, and the crime was one you thought was unjustly prosecuted for some reason, would you take in the kids?

I can't afford the commitment....nuff said....you can't get blood from a stone....well,maybe you can,but I don't have your superpowers
bgz Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
you guys keep ignoring the libs here saying to send home the illegals...


Ya, liberals "here" are saying it...

Elite law making liberals != every day working stiff liberals
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RMAN4443 wrote:
I can't afford the commitment....nuff said....you can't get blood from a stone....

even with the temporary tax cut?
RMAN4443 Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
how about placing the entire families in those converted Walmarts?

How much will that cost me?
RMAN4443 Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
even with the temporary tax cut?

I've still got a MIL and a wife with severe medical issues, I'm tapped out
HuckFinn Offline
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RMAN4443 wrote:
How much will that cost me?

With your senior discount?
RMAN4443 Offline
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HuckFinn wrote:
With your senior discount?

Nope,not eligible for another 6 years or so....but thanks
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bgz wrote:
Ya, liberals "here" are saying it...

Elite law making liberals != every day working stiff liberals

I don't watch CNN, Fox, or any of the opinion news, to be perfectly honest...though tail says it's why people who think like me have been told what to think.

I read two newspapers, and watch a local news broadcast in the evening. Even get some info here from the rare links I open.

Yet somehow sound bites and stuff intended to create/shape opinion finds me no matter how careful I am to not step in it.

Yesterday I saw a 10 second thing from Fox with some blond woman (who is probably well known here) who said with a straight face while posing in front of a pic of kids laying on silver thermos blankets on the floor of a warehouse..."some liken it to summer camp, or private school".

My first thought was she had been told to do what was needed to soften the visual atrocity clearly presented. With no sound, your last thoughts would have been summer camp etc.

Any chance many cons are not coming to their own conclusions through enlightened independent brilliance? and aren't some of them not also elected officials?
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