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http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/jun/19/matt-schlapp/no-donald-trumps-separation-immigrant-families-was/


The truth is that although the Obama administration prosecuted many illegal border crossers, his administration refused to intentionally separate families. It happened infrequently, not intentionally....

It was something they considered, but rejected very quickly...

The cons don't want to do anything about it either... Cheap labor.

As far as putting thoughts in my head... no, I've always wished they would do more to curb illegal immigration but thought it was a pipe dream because neither side wanted to change anything.

that is more humane than just pulling them apart and keeping them in separate detention facilities, sometimes in different cities/states...without either 's knowledge of where the other is...

But they gots nothing else.... There's nothing else...

tail insists that libs have Trump Derangement Syndrome...meaning that libs mindlessly get outraged at anything Trump does, regardless of whether there is a positive outcome from Trump's actions or words.

The reverse of that TDS coin is the con side: Trump Delusion Syndrome...meaning Trumpian cons mindlessly believe anything Trump or Trump Media says, that Trump's alternative facts are reality, despite being shown that Trump has lied repeatedly.


Given Trump's relatively small track record with positive achievements and repeated utterances of demonstrably false statements...which side seems mentally healthier...

Cons were going 90 mph, staunchly supporting Trump's family separation policy, repeating his administration's lies about it being a Dem contrivance ... Trump and his supporters injected hate and de-humanized the issue by calling the illegal border crossers an "infestation," "vermin"...a supporter openly mocking the playing of a purported audio tape of a child in a detention center crying by saying "wah wah" while rubbing his eyes...

And then Trump changes course, basically going back to how Obama did things.........................................wai....what??? Nevermind...

I guess now the question is do the kids get treated worse or do the illegal criminals get treated better..

So, apparently Dems won't be happy until we start the catch & release into our country again... Which isn't surprising at all...

In this case drafter and several others have Trump Munchausen by proxy.

no because you are obstinate and purposefully ignore information that is not convenient to your trump love


but you are dreamy and I love you

At least Tail is consistent. Wrong, but consistent.

Trump and Lewandowski ramped up the dehumanization of immigrants...


https://www.ktvb.com/video/syndication/veuer/trump-democrats-want-illegal-immigrants-to-infest-the-country/602-8164360

https://www.timesofisrael.com/critics-say-trumps-description-of-immigrants-recalls-nazi-propaganda/


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/corey-lewandowski-fox-news-trump-down-syndrome-border-family-separation-a8407371.html


Pelosi is so bad, she wants everyone to eat broccoli...but she actually said the kids were prawns, and that they would go well with broccoli and some sort of alfredo sauce...

Nice of you to blur the line.

Let's not tiptoe around the issue in an attempt to muddy the water.

Sure it's NOT a good thing to separate children from their parents. But, it's also not the responsibility of US taxpayers to subsidize housing for people who want a better life. Every year hundres of thousands of people use subterfuge to enter the US. They are encouraged by activists posing as immigration proponents to come and apply for asylum. These so-called activists realize that there is insufficient infrastructure to handle these asylum cases. This results in "indefinite" waits for a court case. They are then used as pawns to show the inhumanity of keeping them detained so "churches" step in as sjw's who resettle these illegals, This allows them to be assimilated into society where they then give birth to anchor babies. It then becomes inhumane to send these newly minted citizens with there families to there home origin of their parents.

Shame on those who try to paint this any other way.

There is a straight forward answer to this, though I doubt our government would do it or our courts would uphold it. Immediate deportation of anyone who enters our country illegally. There really is no need that I can see for court verdicts for deportation in this circumstance.

Secondly we should eliminate all foreign aid to countries that have significant numbers of their citizens illegally crossing our border. Use this money to cover our costs.

Thirdly eliminate all foreign aid to Mexico. They are culpable in allowing their citizens and others cross their borders and ours. Use this money to cover our costs.

Fourthly eliminate the concept of anchor babies. There should be no citizenship just because they were born here.

Fifthly seize all assets of those who hire illegal aliens. Use the money to cover costs.

Pull the finger out of the ****...

Lot of misinformation, fear, hate...and sweeping erroneous nonsense in this conversation...
And I get it...kind of..but if it's your wallets your protecting, well..research around..

From:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States



Research shows that illegal immigrants increase the size of the U.S. economy, contribute to economic growth, enhance the welfare of natives, contribute more in tax revenue than they collect, reduce American firms' incentives to offshore jobs and import foreign-produced goods, and benefit consumers by reducing the prices of goods and services.[8][14][15][16][17] However, there are a number of illegal immigrants that take part in unreported employment. Working tax free, these individuals at able to accept lower wages ultimately driving down the price of unskilled labor. Economists estimate that legalization to illegal immigrant population would increase the immigrants' earnings and consumption considerably, and increase U.S. gross domestic product.[8][18][19][20][21][22]

If it's crime you're sure they bring to the states...


There is no evidence that illegal immigration increases the rate of crime in the United States.[23] There is scholarly consensus that illegal immigrants commit less crime than natives.[24][25] Sanctuary cities – which adopt policies designed to not prosecute people solely for being in the country illegally – have no statistically meaningful impact on crime.[26] Research suggests that immigration enforcement has no impact on crime rates.[27][28][26]

Since the Great Recession (December 2007 to June 2009) more undocumented immigrants have left the United States than have entered it, and illegal border crossings are at the lowest levels they have been in decades.

Historically, up till 1924 anyway, we had open borders. Only 1% of immigrants were rejected.
Would you be here if these conditions hadn't existed?
Probably not.

People are fleeing intolerable conditions. Like my grandparents did.

Pretty sure Fox would tell us if there was, no?

New York, where I am, ranks 3rd after California and Florida as having the most illegals.

No. But those seeking asylum? Process them.
Fearing immigration is erroneous. And unrealistic.
Punishing kids, unconscionable.

So just take every asylum seeker at their word then?

hint: They all claim asylum.

I wouldn't try reason.

Not there.

Sessions so-called New Rules:It’s labeled “Interim Guidance” for asylum officers — the people in charge of conducting interviews for asylum and “credible fear” screening interviews for migrants at the border that determine whether they’ll be allowed to stay in the US and pursue an asylum claim. Most are simply turned away at the border.

And these are people trying to enter legally.
Many that are turned away then try to sneak in.

Guess you have little sympathy for refugees claiming they're afraid to go home...
And I do.

Like just say no to drugs?

That worked.

Huck, I don't think any of us are unsympathetic to their situations.

We have borders, and we have to protect the borders... we can't just let everyone walk in without question.

Just like I'm sure most of the random solicitors that knock on your door mean well, but you don't just let them walk in. It's a door, it's there for a reason, and you don't want people walking through it without your permission. I guess I could be wrong about that, you might just let any old hooker or crackhead claiming to be a person in need walk through your door at any time they want... but I'm guessing you don't.

So consider the border a giant f***ing door.

Huck, I read an article a few days back that stated that according to immigration officials, over 80% of asylum seekers where lying. No one in fearing immigration. We just want it done according to our laws. When my ancestors came here in the 1880s and 1910s, they did it the legal way. They learned the language and assimilated into the American culture. They did not receive government hand outs, and worked hard to make it in this country. They where proud to be Americans. A far cry from what is happening today.

Sure, many immigrants are hard working, learn the language and assimilate into our culture. To these I welcome with open arms. The ones that refuse to learn the language, refuse to assimilate, game the system for handouts and then demand that we make accommodations for their language and culture, are the ones I have problems with. When some schools can't even fly the American flag because it offends certain immigrants, you know we are doomed as a nation.

David (dpnewell)