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Are you kidding. Until it blew back in their face, the trump administration was bragging about it.

Here's the damn memo he wrote:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1049751/download?utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery

What part of "zero tolerance policy" doesn't sound like a change to policy?

Later he bragged about it, and specifically stated that families would be separated
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/386634-sessions-illegal-border-crossers-will-be-prosecuted-families-may-be

Then Nielsen threw her support behind it
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/18/sessions-and-nielsen-defend-trumps-zero-tolerance-immigration-policy.html
Sessions doubled down with " We cannot and will not encourage people to bring their children by giving them blanket immunity from our laws"

This is a clear policy change, as I said. It isn't a law change, as the law was in place. It's a policy of zero tolerance prosecution of the law.... which has always worked so well with all the other "zero tolerance" policies we've had the government put in place.

I heard Obama was born in Kenya..

For the record, if I were king of the world I would make it a "policy" to enforce every current on the book.

If it's a bad law, then it needs to be removed. Written out of the book.

You either have laws, or you don't.

Our penchant for keeping laws intact and simply ignoring them is idiotic.

Tail... Policy was the trump administrations word, not mine. You have a problem with it go talk to that cluster of morons.

Additionally, from what I understand, the Obama administration policy was to release families and tell them to show up at a court date. Apparently a much higher percentage of them actually did show up at court dates than I would have expected.... I think I remember 80%...

Like Build That Wall!

Or "Lock Her Up!"

Or "Believe Me!"

Or "Nobody Knows!"

Or "Fake News!"

Or "No Collusion!"

Or "Illegal Immigrants! ALL Criminals! Rapists and Drug Dealers!"


Or "Democrats Hate America!"

Repetition does seem to have mesmerized some folks, you're right!

I can't decide who's dumber: Trump, or the people who continue to support him!

Russia!

I agree it's semantics tail. But it's their semantics.
The adminstration bragged about their new "policy" up until the point people started pointing out kids in cages...

The previous administration had a policy of dealing with families with children. The new administration has a policy of dealing with families with children. The first let them go, and hoped they would come back for their hearing. The current administration specifically chose to put them in cells.

Both are enforcing the law (at least for the 80% who showed up for their hearing... 20% of families didn't get enforced)...

I don't particularly like children... So I'm more amused by this than bothered. And very amused trump backed down like the cuck he is. And still tried to act like he really wanted to be tough...

... I don't believe I ever said keeping children in cages was evil.

Nonetheless, one can change ones mind in a manner that implies you understand why you are changing it. Or you can do it the way trump did and act like a little cuck who's still trying to be "tough". Feel free to listen to his statements, read his tweets surrounding it. You'll be super impressed by how presidential he is.

Your rationale is ...be kind...terrible!

If uncle Ed throws his nephew who he knows can't swim in the pool, and then jumps in to save him, is he a hero?

Puppy-dogs are born knowing how to swim..

And now for my straw man argument!

Can you say "Birtherism"? I knew you could!

That's true, you are anti-child.
Fine.

But I've never considered the Donald "presidential" in his actions.
Much of the criticism regarding his personality is spot-on. He's a dink and tries to be a bully.
Terrible attributes for someone in that position.

But Jimmy Carter was a gentleman and a scholar, yet an incompetent fool as POTUS.

Dig deeper.
Trump isn't a savior, but he's getting results.

That one time at band camp?

Huck is an uncle f'er..??

It isn't the "enforcing of the law" that is the issue...it is the manner in which the law is enforced...

Trump's change is that there is zero tolerance for anyone coming into the US at places other than gates of entry. All of them would be treated as invading criminals and be subjected to criminal proceedings and then deportation proceedings. Asylum seekers need not apply. The Trump administration also made the intentional choice to take children away from their families crossing into the US because it was believed that this would be so frightening a prospect that other invaders thinking about infesting our country would be deterred from doing it...they did so with more than 2,000 children without an adequate process of identifying the children and their families and re-uniting them...hence a "task force" has been created to re-unite kids with their families.... because these were illegal aliens, not people...infesters who didn't deserve to be treated like an American criminal...

I purposely used terms attributed to Trump and his people planning, implementing and defending their policy...if any of them hit a nerve, apologies...

only because they got outrage and backlash from all corners by just and moral people, on the right and on the left, from every corner of the globe...and an explanation that this policy was un-Constitutional, a violation of the 14th Amendment's equal protection clause....did the Trump WH reboot the policy...they did not get an injection of humanity, empathy, compassion or concern over the plight of the illegal aliens, a term they insist on using to continue to dehumanize fellow human beings...

just as that term, "Illegal Alien" was written into US law a century ago, to dehumanize Chinese immigrants...so our civil society hasn't advanced as far as we would like to think...

Problem wouldn't be so bad if we didn't have blow hard attorneys on the border coaching all the would be invaders how to claim asylum and clog up our detention centers.

Libs caused that sh1t, would be just deport as normal if every single border jumper didn't claim asylum.

I still think it's stupid AF to lock kids up in an adult detention facility (and stupid AF to blindly trust that the people are the kids parents).

It's easier to be naive and pat yourself on the back KNOWING you are for the right thing, when things aren't always so black and white.

Anyone attempting to gain entry illegally IS an invading criminal.
And anyone who succeeds in gaining entry IS an illegal alien.

You can say it dehumanizes them, but facts are facts.
You can call them splendid daisies if you want.

Actually the body politic in here did blame Obama for that. They don't blame trump though.

The law is clear, crossing the border without documentation is illegal.

The way i see it, risking the dangerous crossing is an act of pure desperation. It's nuts.
The majority of these folks are out of viable options: they can't stay where they are and can't enter legally. They've decided they'd rather face jail time or death than remain where they are.
Are you guys gonna pretend that escaping persecution of gangs or governments or poverty back home, trying to create a life for you and your kids isn't, while "illegal", actually admirable and freaking heroic? Aren't they choosing liberty over death! And FREEDOM?
What would you do if you were refused legal entrance and your kids were being murdered ....?

Stealing a loaf of bread, connecting to unsecured Wi-Fi, playing poker for stakes, speeding, no seat belt, not coming to a full stop at those octangular red signs with whatever that word written on it is..all crimes. Smoking weed in some states, underage drinking, peeing outside, fudging on taxes...crimes, right? See any nobility in any of them other than peeing outside? I don't...

My point, the act of trying to give your kids a better chance at a better life, clearly the majorities aim, is unselfish and actually praiseworthy. But right, it's illegal.

And cmon, don't extrapulate what I said into 'so just them them in illegally, huck?'.
Of course not. Process them. Decide whats fair, legal, possible.
And you guys? research the actual impact of their living here "illegally". Net result according to Wikipedia, they add to the economy, within a year.
And maybe don't be motivated by underlying hate and fear. No matter what white folks do they're gonna be in the minority in a few decades anyway.

If you get arrested on a Friday for a warrant on outstanding traffic tickets, you will be taken into custody and held in jail for the weekend(for failure to appear or pay tickets when due)....if you have your children with you they will be placed with youth services if you have no one to take them....at least that's how it went for me in Mass. about 30 years ago.

I got arrested on Friday of Labor Day weekend and remained in jail until court convened on Tuesday...my son was 4 years old.....luckily I was in Mass visiting family and someone could come get him, or he would have been placed with Youth Services

Actually that happened in No. Randolph as I was pulling out of Eli and Chris's Shell station....Frank will know where that is

... perhaps the question is why aren't we?

I mean... Maybe it's a good idea to take children away when people are charged with misdemeanors?

Do we really want someone who doesn't pay outstanding traffic tickets raising a child? They clearly break the law... And then on top of it, they have no sense of personal responsibility in accepting their punishment. Are those the values we want a child to be raised with?

it' now a Mobil and it is YUGE!
Eli died a few months back, gigantic crowd at some Greek Church.
Chris has been a selectman for 25 years.

wow, how old are they....they were old when I was a little kid visiting my Gramps when he worked there in the late 60's early 70's....I still have cases of Hot Wheels from the giveaway days....stil have about a dozen of the steak knives too...

...then clearly you've failed...

But my argument still stands. In your case you may have been a victim of a clerical error. But think of all the people who do in fact not pay their tickets. Maybe we should be arresting them, jailing them and taking their children...

On the face of it I don't see a real problem...

make them pay for and build the wall