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Inciting a Riot....
DrafterX Offline
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"A person is guilty of inciting to riot when one urges ten or more persons to engage in tumultuous and violent conduct of a kind likely to create public alarm."
Think





Democratic Rep. Maxine Waters on Saturday encouraged her supporters to fight back against the Trump administration amid backlash over the White House’s “zero-tolerance” immigration policy — and said “the people” will “absolutely harass” Trump staffers.


Speaking on MSNBC, the California congresswoman said current administration officials who defend Trump “know what they’re doing is wrong” and said they soon won’t be able to peacefully appear in public without being harassed.

“They’re not going to be able to go to a restaurant, they’re not going to be able to stop at a gas station, they’re not going to be able to shop at a department store,” Waters said. “The people are going to turn on them, they’re going to protest, they’re going to absolutely harass them.”


Waters seemed adamant the protests would continue until cabinet members tell Trump, “No, I can’t hang with you. This is wrong, this is unconscionable.”


Waters told supporters at a rally in Los Angeles earlier Saturday that she wanted “history to record that we stood up that we pushed back that we fought that we did not consider ourselves victims of this president.”


She continued, “History will record that while he tried to step on all of us we kicked him in his rear and we stepped on him.”

Her comments come as White House officials have been the targets of protests amid continued backlash.

Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen was confronted by an angry mob at a Mexican restaurant in Washington on Tuesday night, and on Friday was taunted outside her townhouse in Virginia.

Press secretary Sarah Sanders was asked to leave a restaurant in Virginia after the co-owner said it “has certain standards that I feel it has to uphold, such as honesty, and compassion, and cooperation.”

Film at 11.... Not talking
Speyside Offline
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So you think the signers of the Declaration of Independence are criminals. Good to know where you stand on that. Never took you for a Torey. Come to think of it that means you think Mahatma Gandi, Nelson Mandela, and Dr Martin Luther King were criminals also. Well, a Torey would think that of Gahndi. And South Africa was an English Colony, so I could see a Torey resentment for Mandela.

One man come in the name of love
One man come and go
One man come, he to justify
One man to overthrow

In the name of love
What more in the name of love?
In the name of love
What more in the name of love?

One man caught on a barbed wire fence
One man he resists
One man washed on an empty beach
One man betrayed with a kiss

In the name of love
What more in the name of love?
In the name of love
What more in the name of love?

Early morning, April 4th
Shot rings out in the Memphis sky
Free at last, they took your life
They could not take your pride

In the name of love
What more in the name of love?
In the name of love
What more in the name of love?

In the name of love
What more in the name of love?
In the name of love
What more in the name of love
DrafterX Offline
#3 Posted:
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So, I guess you're ok with shot Republicans laying on baseball fields or Chik-fila doorsteps.. Good to know... Mellow
Mr. Jones Offline
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For every action their are consequences...

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction...

For every "A-hole deed" ...these morons in trumps cabinet COMMIT under his employ ...there are consequences...

FOR EVERY COWARD SOCIOPATHIC FELON CRIMINAL
FBI AND FBI-SSG DIVISION AGENT, EVERY CONSPIRING AND COLLUDING EARLY RELEASED FELON AND EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD CRIME WATCH BORED AS H3LL HOUSEWIVE NEO NAZI's ON THE CASH TAKE .... WHO MURDER, ELECTRONIC WAVE WEAPON MAIM AND ILLEGALLY GANGSTALK....

THERE ARE S.E.R.I.O.U.S. CONSEQUENCES FROM
Mr.Jones & The Truman Ghosts : Captains, Lieutenants
And MILLENIAL Associates, UNCLE BILL's Contingency, and Bender's WorldWide Assets....
Speyside Offline
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Drafter, you are so right. Civil disobedience for the greater good is exactly the same as murder. Your cognitive abilities never cease to amaze me.
DrafterX Offline
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For the greater good..?? What are you and all the lefty Extremists fighting for..?? Trump already ended the separation issue... You all want him to ignore and not enforce existing laws too..?? Huh
Speyside Offline
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LMAO! I doubt that many here would think I am a lefty extremist. I am pointing out the fact that civil disobedience is far different than rioting. She directly said harass. This would be a form of civil disobedience.

ri·ot
ˈrīət/Submit
noun
1.
a violent disturbance of the peace by a crowd.

ha·rass
həˈras,ˈherəs/Submit
verb
1.
subject to aggressive pressure or intimidation.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Harassment is now legal, or just for democrats?
Speyside Offline
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I never said it was Einstein. Do you try to comprehend what is written or just warp it it fit your narrative. Civil disobedience often leads to arrest with misdemeanor criminal charges. Civil disobedience often is a form of harassment. When asking people to harass Trump officials, you are asking them to be civilly disobedient. Inciting a riot is far different from civil disobedience Try to keep on point Z, when you go full bad democrat mode you lose site of the facts.
HuckFinn Offline
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Wikipedia famous riots.

As often as not they were justified.

Sometimes they were stupid and cruel. Sometimes necessary .

What Drafter posted is a talking point meant to widen the chasm between camps.

And it works. Because everyone's fed up with the other side.

That said, Gandhi, Mandela and King never sought to incite riots. Civil disobedience? Of course. And it succeeded

And cmon, saying that anyone wants to see Republicans lying shot on baseball fields is just anger talking, meant to start a fight. ... it's a cheap shot...no pun intended...
It actually sounds like some venomous Russian bot talking.

Everyone needs to calm the **** down.
We're the UNITED states of America.
Aren't we?
DrafterX Offline
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Yes.. but ask that question in Southern California.. they call it North Mexico.. Mellow
Speyside Offline
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Huck, Waters was speaking of civil disobedience. Drafter equating it to inciting a riot is just plain stupid. As is comparing my examples of people who utilized civil disobedience to murderers.
tailgater Offline
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Politics aside, does ANYONE here think Maxine Waters is sane?

Honest question.


DrafterX Offline
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Re·sist·ance

noun
noun: resistance
1.
the refusal to accept or comply with something; the attempt to prevent something by action or argument.
"she put up no resistance to being led away"
synonyms: opposition to, hostility to, refusal to accept
"resistance to change"

armed or violent opposition.
"government forces were unable to crush guerrilla-style resistance"
synonyms: opposition, fight, stand, struggle
"a spirited resistance"

a secret organization resisting authority, especially in an occupied country.
plural noun: resistances; noun: resistance movement; plural noun: resistance movements
synonyms: resistance movement, freedom fighters, underground, partisans


Ya, they sound innocent.. Mellow
delta1 Offline
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"Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen was confronted by an angry mob at a Mexican restaurant in Washington"

anybody see the humorous irony here...
HuckFinn Offline
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tailgater wrote:
Politics aside, does ANYONE here think Maxine Waters is sane?

Honest question.



She seems a bit off to me too.

But no more so than Alex Jones or Kanye or Giuliani or Hannity or Sheila Button or Bill Schuster or Nunes or Frank Lucas or Tim Griffin or Donald Trump, right?
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delta1 wrote:
"Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen was confronted by an angry mob at a Mexican restaurant in Washington"

anybody see the humorous irony here...

Musta been a takeout joint.
delta1 Offline
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HuckFinn wrote:
She seems a bit off to me too.

But no more so than Alex Jones or Kanye or Giuliani or Hannity or Sheila Button or Bill Schuster or Nunes or Frank Lucas or Tim Griffin or Donald Trump, right?


all depends on how you define "off"...neither Dems or GOP care about "off" if it fits, tolerating squeaky shoes and wobbly wheels...
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DrafterX wrote:
Re·sist·ance

noun
noun: resistance
1.
the refusal to accept or comply with something; the attempt to prevent something by action or argument.
"she put up no resistance to being led away"
synonyms: opposition to, hostility to, refusal to accept
"resistance to change"

armed or violent opposition.
"government forces were unable to crush guerrilla-style resistance"
synonyms: opposition, fight, stand, struggle
"a spirited resistance"

a secret organization resisting authority, especially in an occupied country.
plural noun: resistances; noun: resistance movement; plural noun: resistance movements
synonyms: resistance movement, freedom fighters, underground, partisans


Ya, they sound innocent.. Mellow

First one does. Pretty sure she wasn't suggesting an armed, guerrilla-style resistance .

But I didn't see the film at 11.
Speyside Offline
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Drafter, great definition of a word she never used in the article you posted. Perhaps you could post a few more meaningless definitions for our entertainment?

BTW you used riot and she used harass. Here is another useful definition.

free·dom of speech
noun
the right to express any opinions without censorship or restraint.
tailgater Offline
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HuckFinn wrote:
She seems a bit off to me too.

But no more so than Alex Jones or Kanye or Giuliani or Hannity or Sheila Button or Bill Schuster or Nunes or Frank Lucas or Tim Griffin or Donald Trump, right?


Not quite.

I'm not talking about her partisan lack of objectivity. If I were, then that list would be accurate if not severely truncated.

I'm talking about just plain 'ol mental stability.
Speyside Offline
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Tail, she seems off period.
tailgater Offline
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Speyside wrote:
Tail, she seems off period.


That happens to women at a certain age...
Speyside Offline
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Wouldn't Frank comment about poor English grammar here?
tailgater Offline
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Speyside wrote:
Wouldn't Frank comment about poor English grammar here?


Frank's Grandma is English?

And you speak bad.

badly.

Un-good.


Speyside Offline
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Bigly badly or Yugely badly?
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tailgater wrote:
Not quite.

I'm not talking about her partisan lack of objectivity. If I were, then that list would be accurate if not severely truncated.

I'm talking about just plain 'ol mental stability.

So was I
DrafterX Offline
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I guess she's backing down now.. of course that involved lying her ass off denying she actually incited violence... Mellow
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leave me out of this!

but yeah, Al. It was kinda humorous irony that she was in a Mexican restaurant.
tailgater Offline
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We went to a Mexican joint before the Ray Lamontagne concert last night on the Boston waterfront.

Maybe I shoulda removed my MAGA hat before asking for extra refried beans.


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tailgater wrote:
We went to a Mexican joint before the Ray Lamontagne concert last night on the Boston waterfront.

Maybe I shoulda removed my MAGA hat before asking for extra refried beans.



Ray was kinda mellow, no? Haven't listened for a few years.

I seriously considered getting a red MAGA hat for the golf trip, but I didn't want to buy stuff from China.
tailgater Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
Ray was kinda mellow, no? Haven't listened for a few years.

I seriously considered getting a red MAGA hat for the golf trip, but I didn't want to buy stuff from China.


He played nothing from his Trouble album.
He actually rocked the house.
His guitarist is quite good. A lot of the stuff reminded me of Pink Floyd.

Not what I expected, but he sounded great.


As for the MAGA hat, you were in Vermont dude.
Be careful.


tailgater Offline
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Frank,
Steve Miller and Peter Frampton are coming to the Pavillion in a couple weeks.
Shannon and I are gonna wait until a couple nights before and then see if tickets are available at the drinking tables.

You and Caren in?

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tailgater wrote:
Frank,
Steve Miller and Peter Frampton are coming to the Pavillion in a couple weeks.
Shannon and I are gonna wait until a couple nights before and then see if tickets are available at the drinking tables.

You and Caren in?


tonight wouldn't be a good time to bring it up...we've come close to making such plans (even simple dinner plans) only to have regrets and doubts at the last minute.

This one sounds good, and we would love to see you. If this does not happen, I still want you to know just getting asked means a lot to us...please remind me in time to get tix anyway, if you can wait.

we rented a house in West Hyannisport close to Craigville Beach 7/14 thru 7/21.
We definitely have to make something happen then fo sho!
tailgater Offline
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It will be somewhat last minute. The table area is not covered so we're going to let mother nature decide for us.
I'll let you know more when I know.

Maybe we can both wear our MAGA hats.


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With the rhetoric ramping up to epic levels, someone is going to get killed. The Left already tried (see Congressional Baseball game) and quieted down. What with the "Russian collusion" fizzling out, the economy chugging and Trump's approval numbers climbing...of course they decided to ramp it up and double down on the hate.

Just save the YouTube of her rant for afterwards.
Mr. Jones Offline
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Dear Franklinj1,

You are hereby served notice of
"Pulling a BOO BOO" WHENCE HAVING
COMPLETE Y.O.G.I. STATUS...

i.e. announcing "dates" on an international forum


PURTY AT FRANKS H.U.T. ....
"JUST TAKE THOSE OLD RECORDS OFF THE SHELF....I'LL sit and listen to them by myself...."
IN JULY...
BE THERE OR BE SQUARE.....
I CLAIM THE MASTER BEDROOM....
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
With the rhetoric ramping up to epic levels, someone is going to get killed. The Left already tried (see Congressional Baseball game) and quieted down. What with the "Russian collusion" fizzling out, the economy chugging and Trump's approval numbers climbing...of course they decided to ramp it up and double down on the hate.

Just save the YouTube of her rant for afterwards.

easily the nastiest, most divisive post of the year.
Seriously Doc, that is well beyond even our loose standards.
frankj1 Offline
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Mr. Jones wrote:
Dear Franklinj1,

You are hereby served notice of
"Pulling a BOO BOO" WHENCE HAVING
COMPLETE Y.O.G.I. STATUS...

i.e. announcing "dates" on an international forum


PURTY AT FRANKS H.U.T. ....
"JUST TAKE THOSE OLD RECORDS OFF THE SHELF....I'LL sit and listen to them by myself...."
IN JULY...
BE THERE OR BE SQUARE.....
I CLAIM THE MASTER BEDROOM....

you are absolutely correct, Master!
I have much to learn.
Mr. Jones Offline
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BOO BOO...

I can set SOME really great BOOBY TRAPS ( @ ur H.U.T. in July, for the low low price of $10 L.A.R.G.E.) THAT MY BESTEST BUDDY TAUGHT ME HOW TO DO...back in the way early 80's...he was a VIETNAM VET INTEL spook "defender" Jewish pilot guy named
"Tommy" ( not his real name) who was a LAOTIAN GREENIE and a fearless f*k beyond all comprehension by anyone on this forum....(Got any wire, bamboo, water buffalo dung, grenades or extra C4 laying around?)

I MISS TOMMY....
DrMaddVibe Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
easily the nastiest, most divisive post of the year.
Seriously Doc, that is well beyond even our loose standards.



Say what you want. Believe what you want. THAT HAPPENED because of the rhetoric the media blasted our senses with. It did quiet down. It's ramping back up. You'd have to be blind, deaf and dumb to not see and hear it daily.
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Speyside wrote:
I never said it was Einstein. Do you try to comprehend what is written or just warp it it fit your narrative. Civil disobedience often leads to arrest with misdemeanor criminal charges. Civil disobedience often is a form of harassment. When asking people to harass Trump officials, you are asking them to be civilly disobedient. Inciting a riot is far different from civil disobedience Try to keep on point Z, when you go full bad democrat mode you lose site of the facts.



Maybe you should re-read what she said, or Google the story. Every news outlet uses the word harass, not one article called it civil disobedience. She is calling for very uncivil behavior.
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Ah the good old days! Remember? Trump telling people at his rallies to punch protesters?
Remember? He'd pay their legal fees if they got arrested? Sweet sweet memories, right?

Or when a Black Lives Matter protester was punched and kicked at one of his rallies and Trump said "maybe he should have been roughed up."?

Hold on there, isn't THAT inciting a riot rhetoric!
But...Trump...
nice memories though...


So now Waters (unfortunately) is taking a similar low road approach saying to 'publically humiliate people affiliated with the Trump WH'.
Yawns. What's that? No blood? Maxine? Oh baby you know what i like! Chantilly lace and a purdy face and a ponytail, a hangin' down..I digress

Ok, so she's asking people to make a scene, even exercize their first amendment right.
Seems like futile news-grabbing bs to me, but ok.
Here's the thing, even if it's dumb, and inciteful, you have to admit, at very least, it worked for his Orangeship.
And it's where we are now. The Melodrama Zone. Hosted by Sean Hannity.

And she didn't even spell it out and say "I'd like to punch them in the face" like the Donboy did.
Damn hippie.
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HuckFinn wrote:
Ah the good old days! Remember? Trump telling people at his rallies to punch protesters?
Remember? He'd pay their legal fees if they got arrested? Sweet sweet memories, right?

Or when a Black Lives Matter protester was punched and kicked at one of his rallies and Trump said "maybe he should have been roughed up."?

Hold on there, isn't THAT inciting a riot rhetoric!
But...Trump...
nice memories though...


So now Waters (unfortunately) is taking a similar low road approach saying to 'publically humiliate people affiliated with the Trump WH'.
Yawns. What's that? No blood? Maxine? Oh baby you know what i like! Chantilly lace and a purdy face and a ponytail, a hangin' down..I digress

Ok, so she's asking people to make a scene, even exercize their first amendment right.
Seems like futile news-grabbing bs to me, but ok.
Here's the thing, even if it's dumb, and inciteful, you have to admit, at very least, it worked for his Orangeship.
And it's where we are now. The Melodrama Zone. Hosted by Sean Hannity.

And she didn't even spell it out and say "I'd like to punch them in the face" like the Donboy did.
Damn hippie.

WWHS(What Would Hilary Say)….do you think Hilary would say Wacky Maxie was DEPLORABLE? Think
DrMaddVibe Offline
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RMAN4443 wrote:
WWHS(What Would Hilary Say)….do you think Hilary would say Wacky Maxie was DEPLORABLE? Think



No but Chuck U Schumer is out doing damage control!!!
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Say what you want. Believe what you want. THAT HAPPENED because of the rhetoric the media blasted our senses with. It did quiet down. It's ramping back up. You'd have to be blind, deaf and dumb to not see and hear it daily.

OK, slightly different than what I thought you were claiming...sounded at first like you were accusing the Left of actually hiring a lunatic hit man to go to the ball field. That would have been beyond conspiracy crazy. Perhaps I misread. You can see why this would be distasteful.

Blaming the media for creating the atmosphere is just normal crazy to me, but it is also why I like hanging here!

Carry on.
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Frank...there are two barometers on the lunacy present before us...the Left offering zero options and no legislation whatsoever and the sheer bat $hit craziness on display nightly in the media.

Its like living in a Mel Brooks movie without the humor.
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Candy gram for Mongo...Anxious
tailgater Offline
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HuckFinn wrote:
Ah the good old days! Remember? Trump telling people at his rallies to punch protesters?
Remember? He'd pay their legal fees if they got arrested? Sweet sweet memories, right?

Or when a Black Lives Matter protester was punched and kicked at one of his rallies and Trump said "maybe he should have been roughed up."?

Hold on there, isn't THAT inciting a riot rhetoric!
But...Trump...
nice memories though...


So now Waters (unfortunately) is taking a similar low road approach saying to 'publically humiliate people affiliated with the Trump WH'.
Yawns. What's that? No blood? Maxine? Oh baby you know what i like! Chantilly lace and a purdy face and a ponytail, a hangin' down..I digress

Ok, so she's asking people to make a scene, even exercize their first amendment right.
Seems like futile news-grabbing bs to me, but ok.
Here's the thing, even if it's dumb, and inciteful, you have to admit, at very least, it worked for his Orangeship.
And it's where we are now. The Melodrama Zone. Hosted by Sean Hannity.

And she didn't even spell it out and say "I'd like to punch them in the face" like the Donboy did.
Damn hippie.


Sir Huckster to the rescue.

So gallant in your defense of Maxine Waters.

You crushin' on her?
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Waters is wrong for calling for public harassment of our government officials. We shouldn't let Trump's uncivil leadership style taint the entire political process...

Civics and civil come from the same root...
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