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Inciting a Riot....
HuckFinn Offline
#51 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Sir Huckster to the rescue.

So gallant in your defense of Maxine Waters.

You crushin' on her?

Right. No other reasonable explanation.
frankj1 Offline
#52 Posted:
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Posts: 44,221
DrMaddVibe wrote:
Frank...there are two barometers on the lunacy present before us...the Left offering zero options and no legislation whatsoever and the sheer bat $hit craziness on display nightly in the media.

Its like living in a Mel Brooks movie without the humor.

We both know when we are off stage neither of us cares how the other thinks/votes. We're Americans, durnit!
Like I told MACS last week when we disagreed, I still loved his emotion and passion for our country.

I challenge you to post just 3 lunatic things from the right.
Just to keep you from going too deep under the ether. I was concerned you have been blinded when you posted you will never vote for another Dem evah again! Evah!

I didn't vote Dem last election, so far not gonna next time either cuz all I see for a platform is Not Trump...but all I saw last time for a GOP platform that began one day into Obama's term was not Obama.

Surely that must lead to at least SOME right wing lunacy in your eyes...no?
frankj1 Offline
#53 Posted:
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RMAN4443 wrote:
Candy gram for Mongo...Anxious

Mongo straight.
frankj1 Offline
#54 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
Waters is wrong for calling for public harassment of our government officials. We shouldn't let Trump's uncivil leadership style taint the entire political process...

Civics and civil come from the same root...

taint and root in da same post!
tailgater Offline
#55 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:
Right. No other reasonable explanation.


If I were chasing reasonable I wouldn't be reading your posts.


When are you me and frank getting together for beers?

DrafterX Offline
#56 Posted:
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I wanna go... Mellow
Abrignac Offline
#57 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
Drafter, you are so right. Civil disobedience for the greater good is exactly the same as murder. Your cognitive abilities never cease to amaze me.


Civil disobedience and encouraging masses to harass people are NOT the same.

smh
Abrignac Offline
#58 Posted:
Joined: 02-24-2012
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Speyside wrote:
LMAO! I doubt that many here would think I am a lefty extremist. I am pointing out the fact that civil disobedience is far different than rioting. She directly said harass. This would be a form of civil disobedience.

ri·ot
ˈrīət/Submit
noun
1.
a violent disturbance of the peace by a crowd.

ha·rass
həˈras,ˈherəs/Submit
verb
1.
subject to aggressive pressure or intimidation.


One must seek out someone to harass them. She encouraged people stalk people. If you don't see the difference...
Abrignac Offline
#59 Posted:
Joined: 02-24-2012
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Speyside wrote:
Drafter, great definition of a word she never used in the article you posted. Perhaps you could post a few more meaningless definitions for our entertainment?

BTW you used riot and she used harass. Here is another useful definition.

free·dom of speech
noun
the right to express any opinions without censorship or restraint.



My Mom, God bless her, is as far left as anyone could be. But, she taught me many things. Probably the most important was that one's rights end where someone else's begin.
Abrignac Offline
#60 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Frank,
Steve Miller and Peter Frampton are coming to the Pavillion in a couple weeks.
Shannon and I are gonna wait until a couple nights before and then see if tickets are available at the drinking tables.

You and Caren in?




That sounds like a wonderful evening. The first concert I ever attended was PF back in the late 70's.

Enjoy.
frankj1 Offline
#61 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
If I were chasing reasonable I wouldn't be reading your posts.


When are you me and frank getting together for beers?


he should make the drive.
frankj1 Offline
#62 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
I wanna go... Mellow

of course you are invited!
frankj1 Offline
#63 Posted:
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we could meet at the old Obama house
Speyside Offline
#64 Posted:
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Anthony, how about backing up your statement that harassment is not a form of civil disobedience with facts.

Civil disobedience is the active, professed refusal of a citizen to obey certain laws, demands, orders or commands of a government or occupying international power. Civil disobedience is sometimes defined as having to be nonviolent to be called civil disobedience."

I see non violent harassment of government officials as a form of civil disobedience. It would be the non violent refusal to obey harassment laws.
Abrignac Offline
#65 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
Anthony, how about backing up your statement that harassment is not a form of civil disobedience with facts.

Civil disobedience is the active, professed refusal of a citizen to obey certain laws, demands, orders or commands of a government or occupying international power. Civil disobedience is sometimes defined as having to be nonviolent to be called civil disobedience."

I see non violent harassment of government officials as a form of civil disobedience. It would be the non violent refusal to obey harassment laws.



Civil disobedience is not a crime against a person. If someone wants to handcuff themselves to an oak tree in a public space so be it. They aren't hurting anyone. If however, someone chooses to invade someone else's personal space, the the law pretty much allows for that person beat the crap of the offender.

Only a box of rocks would have trouble differentiating between the two.
Speyside Offline
#66 Posted:
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Thaks for the incite, to bad it is completely wrong. Civil disobedience is a citizens refusal to obey a law in a nonviolent manner. As usual you have given your opinion and attempted to pawn it off as fact. Though you are certainly welcome to belittle yourself by using inane insults. Intent to riot would lead to violent crime. Intent to harass would lead to non violent crime. I still only see your inaccurate opinion. I find no proof that civil disobedience cannot be against individuals.
Abrignac Offline
#67 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
Thaks for the incite, to bad it is completely wrong. Civil disobedience is a citizens refusal to obey a law in a nonviolent manner. As usual you have given your opinion and attempted to pawn it off as fact. Though you are certainly welcome to belittle yourself by using inane insults. Intent to riot would lead to violent crime. Intent to harass would lead to non violent crime. I still only see your inaccurate opinion. I find no proof that civil disobedience cannot be against individuals.



So you want me to prove a negative? Have you worked out where this goes? Do you understand the concept of "What would a reasonable person do given the same set of circumstances?" So in your mind you think that if someone harasses another that at some point the person being harassed is not going to see it as a call to action, not to mention that it will ratchet up rhetoric which almost always leads to violence.

If you can't see the logical progression of what you are in favor of, then I suggest you get another pair of glasses so you can see past your nose.
Abrignac Offline
#68 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
Thaks for the incite, to bad it is completely wrong. Civil disobedience is a citizens refusal to obey a law in a nonviolent manner. As usual you have given your opinion and attempted to pawn it off as fact. Though you are certainly welcome to belittle yourself by using inane insults. Intent to riot would lead to violent crime. Intent to harass would lead to non violent crime. I still only see your inaccurate opinion. I find no proof that civil disobedience cannot be against individuals.


You might want to also get a spell checker and a grammar guide.
teedubbya Offline
#69 Posted:
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I can’t understand anyone defending Maxine Waters over this one any more than I can those defending any one of trumps numerous times he’s encouraged his supporters to do the same or worse. He actually asked for violence more than once.

What I can understand is someone who defends one of them and not the other. That person is easily identified as a partisan hack and not to be taken seriously.

Oh yea one is just kidding and stuff the other is evil and/or unhinged.

Trump is Maxine Waters. Neither is someone I’d defend.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#70 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,423
frankj1 wrote:
We both know when we are off stage neither of us cares how the other thinks/votes. We're Americans, durnit!
Like I told MACS last week when we disagreed, I still loved his emotion and passion for our country.

I challenge you to post just 3 lunatic things from the right.
Just to keep you from going too deep under the ether. I was concerned you have been blinded when you posted you will never vote for another Dem evah again! Evah!

I didn't vote Dem last election, so far not gonna next time either cuz all I see for a platform is Not Trump...but all I saw last time for a GOP platform that began one day into Obama's term was not Obama.

Surely that must lead to at least SOME right wing lunacy in your eyes...no?


Voting is a duty to not take lightly. Especially now. When a party can steal away an election from a favorable candidate and there no ramifications then how can you trust that party? The manner in which the Clintons have used the party and government agencies needs to be addressed and punishment doled out, otherwise another will follow the same footsteps to obtain what they seek.

I did post that I won't be voting for another Democrat ever again. I meant that. The party represents nothing I believe in. They're not for the "working man", they cannot pass single page common sense legislation and are complacent in doing absolutely nothing. 8 years they were fine ramming down a shoddy healthcare bill that over 70% of Americans stated they didn't want. They played parliamentary games to get bills where they wanted and shoved it down our throats. It was exactly what the GOP said the bill was too. Everyone saw their rates go up, Big Pharma raised their prices by hundreds and and even into the thousands of percents because they could. There were those that couldn't even afford Obamacare and those that lost their healthcare altogether but that didn't stop the Democrats from doing what they wanted with abject jubilee. I can go on and on and on and have here on a host of issues but what's the point? Its exactly like Ronald Reagan exclaimed, “I didn’t leave the Democratic party, the Democratic Party left me.”. They have nothing for me, nothing. There used to be at least one that I could say is doing a good job, there hasn't been one in over 15 years on the national level. Locally, thats a bit different because they HAVE to interact with their community.

As for 3 examples...I'll bite. It's pretty easy for me.

1 - Trump's Twitter machine. Take it away, shut it off while he's President. It's not honorable of the Office and it doesn't set a tone measurable with the respect of it. I'd expect the Leader of the Free World to be a bit above it. Trump is a TV personality who's larger than life and he cannot let that go. There are times where I wince and there are times I laugh, but I don't think it's something a President should do.

2 - Jeff Sessions. He needs to be fired. He's a complete and utter joke in everything he does. EVERYTHING. He's a transgender Granny Clampett spreading his religious beliefs like some sacred Johnny Appleseed. He's over his head and it shows. He is diametrically opposed to almost everything America needs and wants.

3 - Speaker of the House Paul Ryan. A one time VP candidate and possible Presidential candidate. Not any more. Put a fork in him, nobody likes a quitter. Nobody likes a Do-Nothing too. Worthless POS that decides now that he wants to be a stay at home dad? Creating a power vacuum in a time like this? He is what Hillary called a "Deplorable". Can't even pull his party to enact legislation and wants to just do nothing once they obtained all 3 branches. Unbelievable. So much could've been done, instead its trench warfare they settle on. It's pathetic and laughable at the same time.

I could write plot lines and sketches for Mel Brooks just based on those 3 and have almost a movie!
Speyside Offline
#71 Posted:
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Wow, glasses would be a huge help. Plus I lost track of my point and had a nonsense argument going.

My point was intent to harass is not intent to riot. And yes, intent to harass is not civil disobedience. Also Waters comments are despicable. Drafter, my bad. So finally, Anthony et al my argument was incorrect.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#72 Posted:
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Posts: 55,423
Speyside wrote:
Wow, glasses would be a huge help. Plus I lost track of my point and had a nonsense argument going.

My point was intent to harass is not intent to riot. And yes, intent to harass is not civil disobedience. Also Waters comments are despicable. Drafter, my bad. So finally, Anthony et al my argument was incorrect.



Either one...harass and set up a riot aren't what I would call conduct becoming a US Senator. Instead all she did was set up another ad for the GOP to use (and they will!) come election time. She's been there long enough to know what she's doing. If she's medically incapable now she should step down. Having the DNC in full apology mode yesterday was delicious irony, however our steadfast bastions of Free Speech media...didn't put it in the front where it belongs.

That's my take.
tailgater Offline
#73 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
Thaks for the incite, to bad it is completely wrong. Civil disobedience is a citizens refusal to obey a law in a nonviolent manner. As usual you have given your opinion and attempted to pawn it off as fact. Though you are certainly welcome to belittle yourself by using inane insults. Intent to riot would lead to violent crime. Intent to harass would lead to non violent crime. I still only see your inaccurate opinion. I find no proof that civil disobedience cannot be against individuals.


Ironic post of the week.

Speyside Offline
#74 Posted:
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Yeah, pretty much.
frankj1 Offline
#75 Posted:
Joined: 02-08-2007
Posts: 44,221
DrMaddVibe wrote:
Voting is a duty to not take lightly. Especially now. When a party can steal away an election from a favorable candidate and there no ramifications then how can you trust that party? The manner in which the Clintons have used the party and government agencies needs to be addressed and punishment doled out, otherwise another will follow the same footsteps to obtain what they seek.

I did post that I won't be voting for another Democrat ever again. I meant that. The party represents nothing I believe in. They're not for the "working man", they cannot pass single page common sense legislation and are complacent in doing absolutely nothing. 8 years they were fine ramming down a shoddy healthcare bill that over 70% of Americans stated they didn't want. They played parliamentary games to get bills where they wanted and shoved it down our throats. It was exactly what the GOP said the bill was too. Everyone saw their rates go up, Big Pharma raised their prices by hundreds and and even into the thousands of percents because they could. There were those that couldn't even afford Obamacare and those that lost their healthcare altogether but that didn't stop the Democrats from doing what they wanted with abject jubilee. I can go on and on and on and have here on a host of issues but what's the point? Its exactly like Ronald Reagan exclaimed, “I didn’t leave the Democratic party, the Democratic Party left me.”. They have nothing for me, nothing. There used to be at least one that I could say is doing a good job, there hasn't been one in over 15 years on the national level. Locally, thats a bit different because they HAVE to interact with their community.

As for 3 examples...I'll bite. It's pretty easy for me.

1 - Trump's Twitter machine. Take it away, shut it off while he's President. It's not honorable of the Office and it doesn't set a tone measurable with the respect of it. I'd expect the Leader of the Free World to be a bit above it. Trump is a TV personality who's larger than life and he cannot let that go. There are times where I wince and there are times I laugh, but I don't think it's something a President should do.

2 - Jeff Sessions. He needs to be fired. He's a complete and utter joke in everything he does. EVERYTHING. He's a transgender Granny Clampett spreading his religious beliefs like some sacred Johnny Appleseed. He's over his head and it shows. He is diametrically opposed to almost everything America needs and wants.

3 - Speaker of the House Paul Ryan. A one time VP candidate and possible Presidential candidate. Not any more. Put a fork in him, nobody likes a quitter. Nobody likes a Do-Nothing too. Worthless POS that decides now that he wants to be a stay at home dad? Creating a power vacuum in a time like this? He is what Hillary called a "Deplorable". Can't even pull his party to enact legislation and wants to just do nothing once they obtained all 3 branches. Unbelievable. So much could've been done, instead its trench warfare they settle on. It's pathetic and laughable at the same time.

I could write plot lines and sketches for Mel Brooks just based on those 3 and have almost a movie!

Love #1
Didn't expect #2 but agree
Never saw #3 coming.

BTW, just cuz I didn't vote Dem or GOP last time doesn't mean I didn't vote...because it is sacred. I knew The Johnson could not win, was just hoping to help raise the percent enough to get a third party on the Debate Stage in the near future...IIRC they needed 15%?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#76 Posted:
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I just couldn't vote for Gary Johnson.

EVERYTIME he was on tv he was stoned out of his mind. I don't have a problem with that, BUT time and place. If you seriously want to lead be a leader. He stammered, had no clue and flat out did more harm to 3rd party than help.

I don't have an issue with 3rd party...really wish Ron Paul would've gotten in the ring...just be ready to lead and talk about something more than legalization of weed...which Sessions is a fool for not decriminalizing.
frankj1 Offline
#77 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I just couldn't vote for Gary Johnson.

EVERYTIME he was on tv he was stoned out of his mind. I don't have a problem with that, BUT time and place. If you seriously want to lead be a leader. He stammered, had no clue and flat out did more harm to 3rd party than help.

I don't have an issue with 3rd party...really wish Ron Paul would've gotten in the ring...just be ready to lead and talk about something more than legalization of weed...which Sessions is a fool for not decriminalizing.

Johnson was a horrible candidate. I just made myself vote for the concept of a viable third party getting funding and a seat at the televised debates...but I believe that ideal failed as well.

I was even more encouraged to do so in MA...Hill was going to win without my vote, Trump was going to lose with my vote. Looked to me like either of those would have been a wasted vote so I took a shot at having meaning. Timing seemed right.
bgz Offline
#78 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
Johnson was a horrible candidate. I just made myself vote for the concept of a viable third party getting funding and a seat at the televised debates...but I believe that ideal failed as well.

I was even more encouraged to do so in MA...Hill was going to win without my vote, Trump was going to lose with my vote. Looked to me like either of those would have been a wasted vote so I took a shot at having meaning. Timing seemed right.


I wanted to like Johnson... I just couldn't do it.
ZRX1200 Offline
#79 Posted:
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I could make you.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#80 Posted:
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This I HAVE to hear.


But 1st...a word from our sponsors....


https://youtu.be/fOT_BoGpCn4
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#81 Posted:
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^That video further convinces me that I made the right decision in 2016. I.E. To NOT vote for the Libertarian candidate for the first time in 20 years.

David
bgz Offline
#82 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I could make you.


Sorry dude, can't make the camping trip. Plus I'm pretty sure I'm allergic to roofies.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#83 Posted:
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We'll be right back to our regularly scheduled show after this brief intermission...

https://youtu.be/KcxjeROBb9g
DrMaddVibe Offline
#84 Posted:
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Thank you ladies and gentlemen. We take you back to our feature...a film that almost won 2 Oscars. 1 for Best Supporting Actor and 1 for Best Visual effects. The epic love story of a man...his city...Trainspotting III - The Clean Throne

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JadeRose Offline
#85 Posted:
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I voted for The Johnson. I wanted the Johnson. I needed The Johnson. I didn't get the Johnson. We got the weenie.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#86 Posted:
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Posts: 55,423
JadeRose wrote:
I voted for The Johnson. I wanted the Johnson. I needed The Johnson. I didn't get the Johnson. We got the weenie.



WITH RELISH!
bgz Offline
#87 Posted:
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Made from Steven Miller ... the dead ringer for PICKLE RICK YO!!!!
RMAN4443 Offline
#88 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
Sorry dude, can't make the camping trip. Plus I'm pretty sure I'm allergic to roofies.

Z gave up the roofies after he inherited Cosby's left over stash of 'ludes. ..
bgz Offline
#89 Posted:
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RMAN4443 wrote:
Z gave up the roofies after he inherited Cosby's left over stash of 'ludes. ..


How did you like the ludes?
DrafterX Offline
#90 Posted:
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I want some ludes.... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#91 Posted:
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Fake news. Zrx doesn’t like lubes.
frankj1 Offline
#92 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
I want some ludes.... Mellow

I can see we need to work on some appetite boundaries...to keep you safe.
teedubbya Offline
#93 Posted:
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Drafter through out safety the second time he caught the gay and embraced his latex allergy.
RMAN4443 Offline
#94 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
How did you like the ludes?

I lived through the 70's, when you could get the real Rorer714s
teedubbya Offline
#95 Posted:
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I preferred lemen 714
teedubbya Offline
#96 Posted:
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Or was it lemon
frankj1 Offline
#97 Posted:
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RMAN4443 wrote:
I lived through the 70's, when you could get the real Rorer714s

25 cents in 1970
teedubbya Offline
#98 Posted:
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We smoked them
frankj1 Offline
#99 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Or was it lemon

lemons came later
teedubbya Offline
#100 Posted:
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I used to have staying power. Now I just spray.
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