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DrMaddVibe Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2018, 8:06 AM EST
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Democratic heavyweight Rep. Joe Crowley loses in New York; Trump's picks win



As President Trump's party came together, a 28-year-old liberal activist ousted top House Democrat Joseph Crowley in the president's hometown Tuesday night, a stunning defeat that suddenly forced Democrats to confront their own internal divisions.

Crowley, the No. 4 House Democrat and until Tuesday considered a possible candidate to replace Nancy Pelosi as leader, becomes the first Democratic incumbent to fall this primary season. He was beaten by underfunded challenger Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a former Bernie Sanders organizer who caught fire with the party's left wing.

Crowley's loss echoed across the political world, sending the unmistakable message that divisions between the Democratic Party's pragmatic and more liberal wings may be widening heading into the high-stakes November midterm election. It also exposed a generational divide among Democrats still struggling with their identity in the Trump era.

“The community is ready for a movement of economic and social justice. That is what we tried to deliver,” Ocasio-Cortez said in an interview with the Associated Press. She said she knew she could connect with the New York district, which includes Queens and part of the Bronx. "I live in this community. I organized in this community. I felt the absence of the incumbent. I knew he didn't have a strong presence."

Trump, on social media at least, seemed equally excited about Crowley's defeat.

"Perhaps he should have been nicer, and more respectful, to his President!" Trump tweeted, oddly taking credit for a victory by a candidate more liberal than Crowley. He added: "The Democrats are in Turmoil!"

All in all, Trump had reason to celebrate Tuesday night as all three of his endorsed candidates survived primary challenges that could have embarrassed him and the party.

Those included New York Rep. Daniel Donovan, who defeated convicted felon and former congressman Michael Grimm in New York City's only Republican stronghold, and former Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney, who once branded Trump "a fraud" but has warmed to the president in the last two years. Romney easily won his party’s primary for a U.S. Senate seat in Utah, virtually ensuring he’ll be elected in November.

Yet none of the day's contests mattered more to Trump than the one in South Carolina.

Gov. Henry McMaster, one of the president's earliest and strongest supporters, survived an unusually tough challenge from a political newcomer, self-made Republican millionaire John Warren.

The White House went all in for the governor in recent days, dispatching the president and the vice president to the state in an effort to prevent a political debacle.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-pol-primaries-20180626-story.html


Cowabunga for the Blue Wave!
Speyside Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2018, 10:25 AM EST
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Doc, I think both sides of the isle are finding out American are tired of the same old same old. President Trump certainly isn't the old guard. It seems that any Republican that crosses him is on the way out. Now we are seeing the same thing for the Democrats old guard. I see this as a good thing. Perhaps Americans are saying I'm mad as he'll and not going to take it anymore. I may not like part of what president Trump has done, but I certainly can like that he gets results.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2018, 10:29 AM EST
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I echo the same.

I didn't vote for him, yet I find I will unless some major item forces me to sit out again. I just didn't have it in me to vote for him. I was NEVER with her and the 3rd party candidates the last time even given all of the national stage they could handle...just proved they weren't worth the vote.

I'm still scratching my head at what he was able to do with North Korea. I really hope that it bears fruit and isn't some switcheroo by them. We'll see.
DrafterX Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2018, 11:42 AM EST
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Sound like a couple Fair-weather fans to me... Not talking
Buckwheat Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2018, 1:09 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
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Cowabunga for the Blue Wave!


I think you meant to say, "Pink Wave". The status quo isn't democrat or republican; it's old white men. horse
MACS Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2018, 1:56 PM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
I think you meant to say, "Pink Wave". The status quo isn't democrat or republican; it's old white men. horse


Maxine Waters... black...woman... 27 years in office. John Conyers... black. Elijah Cummings... black... 22 years in office. Barack Obama, Kamala Harris, etc, etc...

I dare say the number of black politicians is greater, based on US demographics, than white now.
teedubbya Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2018, 2:10 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Maxine Waters... black...woman... 27 years in office. John Conyers... black. Elijah Cummings... black... 22 years in office. Barack Obama, Kamala Harris, etc, etc...

I dare say the number of black politicians is greater, based on US demographics, than white now.



You can dare say it but you would be wrong according to the numbers. Just a quick glance at the 114th congress (I think we are on 115 now but whatever its not changed appreciably) shows the following

Senate

94% White (US 62%)
2% Black (US 12.6%)
3% Hispanic (US 17.3%)
1% Asian (US 5.2%)


House

79.8% White (US 62%)
10% Black (US 12.6%)
7.8% Hispanic (US 17.3%)
2.3% Asian (US 5.2%)

We've had one non white president.

You can look up governors yourself, as well as other political bodies and compare them to demographics. This is not a hard issue to sort out and isn't really an opinion. The opinion is if it should or shouldn't be. But the fact is there.


So no, the number of black politicians based on us demographics is nowhere near that of whites. There is still a manifest imbalance. Whether that should be corrected or not is worthy of debate.


Look at the same numbers broken down by race and gender.....
delta1 Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2018, 8:29 PM EST
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I heard someone compare this to Eric Cantor's shocking loss...if this follows the trend, more old entrenched Dems will be gone ...the GOP won the Presidency after their purge of the old establishment...can the Dems pull that off too?

As for our political leaders reflecting the demographics of the US in general...just look at the photos from the WH during major signing ceremonies...


I think that within the next 30-40 years, about two generations and well past my time, there'll be a much more diverse membership in our national leadership ranks...more people of diverse backgrounds and fewer whites...minorities are becoming more politically active and running for office...women, especially white women, are leading the way...

one stumbling block is that those in power tend to do all they can to stay in power...so with the news of the SCOTUS shifting more towards the cons, voting suppression efforts will accelerate and get a pass at the highest level of judicial review...as will ability to draw favorable voting districts/gerrymander...the GOP has proven adept at manipulating those levers...
DrafterX Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2018, 8:32 PM EST
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Voting suppression..?? You mean convicts and illegal aliens won't get to vote..?? Huh
delta1 Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2018, 8:34 PM EST
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nope...SCOTUS will say "Hells NO!"
Buckwheat Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 9:17 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
Maxine Waters... black...woman... 27 years in office. John Conyers... black. Elijah Cummings... black... 22 years in office. Barack Obama, Kamala Harris, etc, etc...

I dare say the number of black politicians is greater, based on US demographics, than white now.


Fair point but there are about 537 Federally elected politicians in the USA (President, Vice President, 435 US House Members, 100 Senators). So the five you listed constitutes less than one percent of them. I know I've under estimated the numbers of minorities in my #'s so lets agree that percent is realistically 10% of the 537. I also think that there are a fair number of people in this country are tired of long term career politicians regardless of their political party. As of 2015 Whites only make up approximately 62% of the US population. Also, approximately 51% of the population is female. I also think that the younger generation is going to elect more people who reflect the ethnic and gender makeup of our country. With the population changing daily away from white males I see the trend moving in the same direction. I have to get to work so feel free to dig further into the numbers and educate me on the trends. fog
teedubbya Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 9:23 AM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
Fair point but there are about 537 Federally elected politicians in the USA (President, Vice President, 435 US House Members, 100 Senators). So the five you listed constitutes less than one percent of them. I know I've under estimated the numbers of minorities in my #'s so lets agree that percent is realistically 10% of the 537. I also think that there are a fair number of people in this country are tired of long term career politicians regardless of their political party. As of 2015 Whites only make up approximately 62% of the US population. Also, approximately 51% of the population is female. I also think that the younger generation is going to elect more people who reflect the ethnic and gender makeup of our country. With the population changing daily away from white males I see the trend moving in the same direction. I have to get to work so feel free to dig further into the numbers and educate me on the trends. fog



The Senate is where the game is played

Senate

94% White (US 62%)
2% Black (US 12.6%)
3% Hispanic (US 17.3%)
1% Asian (US 5.2%)


House

79.8% White (US 62%)
10% Black (US 12.6%)
7.8% Hispanic (US 17.3%)
2.3% Asian (US 5.2%)
DrafterX Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 9:38 AM EST
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Think
No American Indians ehh.. Think
bgz Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 9:43 AM EST
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It takes a certain mentality to even want to play the game. In my opinion, you have to be a pretty f***ed up person to even want to play the game at that level.

Thus the cycle of corruption continues.

I think it was Plato that asserted that the best rulers would be intelligent people who had no desire to do so.
bgz Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 9:44 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Think
No American Indians ehh.. Think


Ya, wtf Mad
teedubbya Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 9:47 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Think
No American Indians ehh.. Think



There are 2 in the House (115 congress) at the moment (.5%) I didn't include groups under 1%. Both Republicans. I heard Dems hate Indians and stuff.
bgz Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 10:03 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
There are 2 in the House (115 congress) at the moment (.5%) I didn't include groups under 1%. Both Republicans. I heard Dems hate Indians and stuff.


It's true. It's because none of the casino money goes to black people or the democratic party... or the Clinton Foundation.
teedubbya Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 10:07 AM EST
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those bassards
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 11:06 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Think
No American Indians ehh.. Think


The correct term is Native Americans, you racist pig! Confess your sin and sign up for some Social Justice courses, and maybe, just maybe, we won't try and ruin your life. [/s]

David
teedubbya Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 11:09 AM EST
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Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
The correct term is Native Americans, you racist pig! Confess your sin and sign up for some Social Justice courses, and maybe, just maybe, we won't try and ruin your life. [/s]

David



Actually no. Its American Indians. If you really care this is a cool place to start.

http://www.nmai.si.edu/

Native American is acceptable in some circles as well. American Indians is pretty universally accepted.
deadeyedick Offline
#21 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 11:10 AM EST
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Ya let them Indians in and then you have to change the mascots.Shame on you
bgz Offline
#22 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 11:26 AM EST
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Change it to: "The Fighting Whities"?

(This was a real team name :)
victor809 Offline
#23 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 11:44 AM EST
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I thought it was the title of a new "Cops: West Virginia" series
DrafterX Offline
#24 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 11:51 AM EST
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Native American works for me too... Or Comanche I guess... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#25 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 11:52 AM EST
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No sense in putting myself in the same category of them Utes.. Not talking
bgz Offline
#26 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 12:10 PM EST
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What's your tribe Drafter?
deadeyedick Offline
#27 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 1:08 PM EST
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I thought Drafter was a Fugarwe.
DrafterX Offline
#28 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 1:17 PM EST
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Laugh

Sometimes... Mellow
MACS Offline
#29 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 1:28 PM EST
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I wasn't quite sure, tee, so my "dare say" was a guesstimate. I thought it was higher, but I took a guess instead of looking it up.

My point to Julian is that women and minorities are involved in the process. It isn't the rich white boys club.
RMAN4443 Offline
#30 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 1:28 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
No sense in putting myself in the same category of them Utes.. Not talking

did you say "youths"? Anxious
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