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DrMaddVibe Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2018, 1:38 PM EST
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Trump gets to pick another.

Maybe a 3rd too!
DrafterX Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2018, 1:44 PM EST
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We're all gonna get laid..!! Laugh
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2018, 2:18 PM EST
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This should be no surprise to anyone. The WT had an article months ago stating that the word around Washington was that Kennedy would announce his retirement in June. I guess the rest of the media was too busy looking for Russians hiding under their beds.

David
DrMaddVibe Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2018, 2:20 PM EST
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Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
This should be no surprise to anyone. The WT had an article months ago stating that the word around Washington was that Kennedy would announce his retirement in June. I guess the rest of the media was too busy looking for Russians hiding under their beds.

David



True...just it was officially announced today.


RBG isn't far either.
ZRX1200 Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2018, 2:21 PM EST
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That old bird is pickled.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2018, 2:23 PM EST
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Why she didn't retire while Obama was there blows my mind. Suppose she thought Hillary was really going to won.





BAWHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
ZRX1200 Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2018, 2:26 PM EST
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I think she liked being actively engaged .
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2018, 2:30 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
True...just it was officially announced today.


RBG isn't far either.


The last I heard, Soros was finacing a project with Hiroshi Ishiguro Laboratories to create a Ginsburg android. Once it is ready, they'll replace her with the android. She (in her android form) will be around for another 50 years. Then again, they may already have made the switch. It's really hard to tell if Ginsburg is actually alive or not.

David
DrMaddVibe Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2018, 2:47 PM EST
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https://youtu.be/XhzSd-Kz-zA
DrafterX Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2018, 5:35 PM EST
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Crying Chuck encourages 'No' to any and all Trump nominees before we even get started.. no surprise.. Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2018, 6:10 PM EST
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Same surprise if rolls were reversed but the hypocrisy in here can’t see it.
teedubbya Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2018, 6:12 PM EST
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I say approve whomever trump puts up but never ever let anyone do what mcconell did ever again. It’s nit a proud moment.
frankj1 Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2018, 6:15 PM EST
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just a fact here, (on the news a few minutes ago) take what you will:
twice as many days were left in Obama's term than are left in Trump's

cute little pot stirrer, no?
DrafterX Offline
#14 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2018, 6:27 PM EST
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Trump has served 2 years..?? Think
frankj1 Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2018, 6:37 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Trump has served 2 years..?? Think

I'm a victim of fake news!
more proof...good wif words, not so good wif numbahs.
Mr. Jones Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2018, 6:42 PM EST
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#6 DMV

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DrafterX Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2018, 6:48 PM EST
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I almost believed you Frank.. Laugh
deadeyedick Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2018, 7:46 PM EST
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Trump can nominate all he wants,but the Senate must confirm, so now the fight moves to the mid-term elections to see if the Reps can keep a majority or add to it or lose it.
DrafterX Offline
#19 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2018, 7:56 PM EST
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I heard Kanye is on his list.. Mellow
SteveS Offline
#20 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2018, 8:09 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Trump gets to pick another.
Maybe a 3rd too!


This is the exact reason I am SO glad Hilary lost ... I don't like Trump much and am embarrassed by his blather almost every day, but if Hilary had won, I'd almost certainly have had a stroke by now brought on by outrage at her daily blather ... plus, she'd have been the one nominating two or maybe more Supremes which would have been a complete cluster-f*ck ...
Gene363 Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2018, 8:12 PM EST
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Oh happy days!

Parliament of whores, dust off the nuclear option and get busy,
HuckFinn Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2018, 8:17 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
We're all gonna get laid..!! Laugh

Maybe. But be really careful! Use protection!

Or at least know where to get back alley abortions.
delta1 Offline
#23 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2018, 8:32 PM EST
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Golden Age of Conservatism beckons...all the bisching and moaning about "legislating from the bench" will now commence from the left...
frankj1 Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2018, 8:54 PM EST
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deadeyedick wrote:
Trump can nominate all he wants,but the Senate must confirm, so now the fight moves to the mid-term elections to see if the Reps can keep a majority or add to it or lose it.

they'll try to rush it through before the mid-terms. but that could mean a rush to judgement that could be a mistake.

oddly, other than a few social issues, the retiring justice was a Reagan conservative pick, yet there seems to be a feeling that another lib is retiring.
ZRX1200 Offline
#25 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2018, 10:20 PM EST
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He was a terrible choice, you never bedded a crazy one?
delta1 Offline
#26 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 1:24 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I'm a victim of fake news!
more proof...good wif words, not so good wif numbahs.


you ARE good wif numbahs Frank...only four months until the mid-term elections, which would give the people a chance to elect a different set of Senators...GOP decided to withhold debate about Obama's choice for 8 months, until after the Presidential elections, and when Trump won the election, McConnell's majority Senate postponed the process until he took office...

funny (smell) how McConnell thought that was an appropriate length of time then, but not now...

and now, the precedent for a bare majority to approve a nominee has been set...

as for Kennedy, he was conservative at his core, but sided on several social issues with Dems, revealing an independent libertarian streak...you can bet that whomever is nominated will be vetted thoroughly to ensure a similar independent streak is absent...
DrMaddVibe Offline
#27 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 6:14 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
they'll try to rush it through before the mid-terms. but that could mean a rush to judgement that could be a mistake.

oddly, other than a few social issues, the retiring justice was a Reagan conservative pick, yet there seems to be a feeling that another lib is retiring.



Frank, I felt he called it straight up the middle. Fair and by the law. Even though Reagan picked him, it doesn't mean he was some staunch conservative.

I've heard nothing in the media since it broke except that he surprised a lot of people with his decisions.

I can only hope the bench gets another like him.
rfenst Offline
#28 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 7:37 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
.

I can only hope the bench gets another like him.


NOT going to happen. We will get "strict construction" ideologue.
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#29 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 10:58 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
you ARE good wif numbahs Frank...only four months until the mid-term elections, which would give the people a chance to elect a different set of Senators...GOP decided to withhold debate about Obama's choice for 8 months, until after the Presidential elections, and when Trump won the election, McConnell's majority Senate postponed the process until he took office...

funny (smell) how McConnell thought that was an appropriate length of time then, but not now...

and now, the precedent for a bare majority to approve a nominee has been set...

as for Kennedy, he was conservative at his core, but sided on several social issues with Dems, revealing an independent libertarian streak...you can bet that whomever is nominated will be vetted thoroughly to ensure a similar independent streak is absent...


Oh, so now the Biden Rule applies to mid-terms too? I guess you're now channeling Schumer. Give it up, Al. Apples and Oranges.

David
teedubbya Offline
#30 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 11:33 AM EST
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We should demand straight up or down votes regardless of President and start now. Forget the Biden or McConnell rule (which were also apples and oranges but thats inconvenient). Straight up 60% vote required every time. No delay.

Dropping it to 50 and using the gamesmanship we've see from both parties hurts the country. This should be bipartisan agreement, with an emphasis on the constitution rather than winning or getting the guy that will do what we want.

To some this is a game.
DrafterX Offline
#31 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 11:59 AM EST
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Hans plays with Lotte, Lotte plays with Jane
Jane plays with Willi, Willi is happy again
Suki plays with Leo, Sacha plays with Britt
Adolf builts a bonfire, Enrico plays with it
Whistling tunes we hid in the dunes by the seaside...

Mellow
HuckFinn Offline
#32 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 2:07 PM EST
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Simply regarding Justice Kennedy, the man: he's long been regarded as a swing vote (sometimes benefitting the left, sometimes the right.)
As someone here said: an independent and honorable thinker/individual.


https://www.npr.org/2018/06/27/623943443/a-brief-history-of-anthony-kennedys-swing-vote-and-the-landmark-cases-it-swayed
MACS Offline
#33 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 2:23 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:

and now, the precedent for a bare majority to approve a nominee has been set...


Remind me again... who SET that precedent? Wasn't it Harry Reid? Hmmmmmmmmm?
Speyside Offline
#34 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 4:32 PM EST
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TW, the problem is politics. Our three branches of government are supposed to be separate but equal. The separate portion seems to no longer exist.
teedubbya Offline
#35 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 5:12 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
TW, the problem is politics. Our three branches of government are supposed to be separate but equal. The separate portion seems to no longer exist.



And the equal.

I don't like having one party in charge of all branches regardless of the party.
Speyside Offline
#36 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 5:22 PM EST
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I agree. The Supreme Court really should have zero political affiliation. Also I think it should be a balance of conservatives, liberals, and moderates.
delta1 Offline
#37 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 6:13 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Remind me again... who SET that precedent? Wasn't it Harry Reid? Hmmmmmmmmm?


Reid did it because the Senate refused to advise and consent for other Obama nominations, lower court and cabinet positions, not for Supreme Court nominations...

McConnell used the nuclear option for Gorsuch, the first time the Senate used it to vote to approve a SC nominee...

I understand the GOP's use of raw power when they control so much of the levers of government...they can thumb their noses at past practice because "they can"... so enjoy the ride...

the left shouldn't cry about all this because it has failed to do the basic thing...get out and vote...
DrafterX Offline
#38 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 6:18 PM EST
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True.. true... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#39 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 6:38 PM EST
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The sad thing is some day the other team will be in power.
delta1 Offline
#40 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 6:43 PM EST
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Another sad thing is that even though a majority of Americans did not vote for this President, the majority must live with his decisions, for decades to come.

Take for example, the Citizen's United decision...Kennedy's gift to the business class...the new guy will be just like that, prolly moreso...
DrMaddVibe Offline
#41 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 6:55 PM EST
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https://youtu.be/6tgYIqpX30s
frankj1 Offline
#42 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 6:58 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Frank, I felt he called it straight up the middle. Fair and by the law. Even though Reagan picked him, it doesn't mean he was some staunch conservative.

I've heard nothing in the media since it broke except that he surprised a lot of people with his decisions.

I can only hope the bench gets another like him.

we should all hope for another that is not obligated to a side.
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#43 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 7:08 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
you ARE good wif numbahs Frank...only four months until the mid-term elections, which would give the people a chance to elect a different set of Senators...GOP decided to withhold debate about Obama's choice for 8 months, until after the Presidential elections, and when Trump won the election, McConnell's majority Senate postponed the process until he took office...

funny (smell) how McConnell thought that was an appropriate length of time then, but not now...

and now, the precedent for a bare majority to approve a nominee has been set...

as for Kennedy, he was conservative at his core, but sided on several social issues with Dems, revealing an independent libertarian streak...you can bet that whomever is nominated will be vetted thoroughly to ensure a similar independent streak is absent...


This is what happens when one reads sound bites instead of everything. McConnell said that in reference to the Presidential election, not mid-terms. Said and meant in a different context.

BTW, thank Harry Really Reid for dumping the super majority for federal judgeships.
delta1 Offline
#44 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 9:43 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
This is what happens when one reads sound bites instead of everything. McConnell said that in reference to the Presidential election, not mid-terms. Said and meant in a different context.

BTW, thank Harry Really Reid for dumping the super majority for federal judgeships.


... you really think he would've accepted Obama's nominee if it was just 4 months before a mid-year election? Where 33 Senatorial seats are up for grabs?


...it doesn't really matter...our differences of opinion about who started what and who said what or who did what first doesn't amount to a hill of beans, except to push us apart...I don't think this is worth doing that...

But we will both rue the day when a bare majority of Senators is enough to appoint a US Supreme Court Justice...60 votes forced thoughtful consideration of the qualifications to serve and can help prevent an extreme nominee, left or right, from being appointed...the SCOTUS deserves to be a sane place without the super-partisanship games being played by the other two branches of government.
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#45 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 10:04 PM EST
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Yet we get the un-qualified extremist Sotomyer.
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#46 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 10:48 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Yet we get the un-qualified extremist Sotomyer.



Why, exactly, do you think she was unqualified?
ZRX1200 Offline
#47 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 11:36 PM EST
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Oh I forgot, wrong side I can't say that.
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#48 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 5:07 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Oh I forgot, wrong side I can't say that.


Nice deflection.
She is no less qualified than anyone else who has served on the Court.
teedubbya Offline
#49 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 6:31 AM EST
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Rfenst because it’s not possible to have another view or philosophy that is different than my own yet valid. Those other people are unqualified extremists. I’m the norm. They are the enemy.

The two main schools of thought on the constitution are interesting to me and not unlike the similar schools of thought on the Bible and other such texts. The need to vilify opposing views actually show s mental weakness and fear of that you don’t understand. Beat the other side with logic and knowledge.

I’m no fan of hers but she is definitely qualified and not extreme. In a battle of logic and knowledge my guess is she would bury most of her critics.
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#50 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 6:48 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Rfenst because it’s not possible to have another view or philosophy that is different than my own yet valid. Those other people are unqualified extremists. I’m the norm. They are the enemy.

The two main schools of thought on the constitution are interesting to me and not unlike the similar schools of thought on the Bible and other such texts. The need to vilify opposing views actually show s mental weakness and fear of that you don’t understand. Beat the other side with logic and knowledge.

I’m no fan of hers but she is definitely qualified and not extreme. In a battle of logic and knowledge my guess is she would bury most of her critics.



Actually that’s not fair but I won’t edit it. It shows mental weakness in some not all. Some are not mentally weak and use their intelligence to manipulate those they recognize as being so.
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