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Capital Gazette shooting: 5 dead after shooting at Maryland newspaper; suspect in custody
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Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 5:21 PM EST
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Five people were killed Thursday after a gunman opened fire in the newsroom of the Capital Gazette, a newspaper in the Maryland capital, Annapolis, police officials said.

Police said others were injured in the shooting, which was reported around 2:40 p.m., but did not give a number.

At a news conference, police said a suspect is in custody. Three senior law enforcement officials who were briefed on the shooting said the gunman is a white man. They said it is believed that he used a shotgun. Police would not identify the gun used.


Rest of the story here:
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/06/28/capital-gazette-shooting-5-dead-after-shooting-at-maryland-newspaper-suspect-in-custody/23470558/

Word is that the worthless animal used a Joe Biden approved shotgun.

David
teedubbya Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 5:30 PM EST
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why is this in politics and why mention biden?

bad form
victor809 Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 5:45 PM EST
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Because just like the anti gun people he likes to claim to be different than, he gets a stiffie every time people are killed by knives or guns that aren't ARs...

Personally I get a stiffie whether the people are killed by knives, handguns, shotguns or ARs... It all furthers my political agenda that people are terrible.

If only the newspaper workplace wasn't a weapon free zone... Then someone could have stopped the killer using a personal defense tactical nuke. That would have saved us the trouble of a trial too....
teedubbya Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 7:13 PM EST
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I think it’s important the minute someone is slaughtered that we get or political view out there first. It makes us better than them.
victor809 Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 7:25 PM EST
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Apparently....
DrafterX Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 7:27 PM EST
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Very sad... Shooter shoulda been shot at least once.. prayers out for the families and the wounded... Mellow
delta1 Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 9:57 PM EST
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Think Trump's non-stop bashing of the media had anything to do with this?

a few years ago, anti-abortion activists advocated the assassinations of medical personnel and doctors who performed them, and there was a rash of killings...
ZRX1200 Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 10:05 PM EST
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I hear Putin told Trump he was sending an agent to off a fake news reporter......


Teedubya, if you don't know why the OP said what he said, that's on you holmes.
victor809 Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 10:52 PM EST
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I think TW knew exactly why. That's what he was pointing out.
DrafterX Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 10:55 PM EST
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Of course it's Trump's fault... Let the lies begin.. it'll be truth if we get it out early and repeat it... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 11:23 PM EST
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Described as a man in his 30s, Ramos was taken into custody after he allegedly shot journalists and other employees of the Annapolis-area newspaper.


Ramos reportedly had a history with the Capital Gazette, as reports said he sued the paper and one of its columnists for defamation in 2012.


Think
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 11:26 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
why is this in politics and why mention biden?

bad form



Uh, because traditionally most shooting threads are posted here.


Why did I mention Uncle Joe? Because sometimes I enjoy being an arse. Is it also bad form when some here start screaming for the outlawing of certain firearms in these type of threads?

David
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 11:32 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Of course it's Trump's fault... Let the lies begin.. it'll be truth if we get it out early and repeat it... Mellow


AOL is a head of the game. Quote from their article on the shooting.

Quote:
As a presidential candidate and after his election, Trump has repeatedly criticized the press, referring to several major news organizations as "fake news" and calling a group that included the New York Times, CNN and CBS "the enemy of the American people."


Of course our friend Al has already alluded to this in his talking point.

David
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 11:37 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Described as a man in his 30s, Ramos was taken into custody after he allegedly shot journalists and other employees of the Annapolis-area newspaper.


Ramos reportedly had a history with the Capital Gazette, as reports said he sued the paper and one of its columnists for defamation in 2012.


Think


Well there you have it. Definitely a white racist Trump supporter who was motivated by Trump's hate speech.

David
DrafterX Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 11:46 PM EST
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Yep... He prolly hated puppy-dogs too.. Mellow
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2018, 11:49 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Because just like the anti gun people he likes to claim to be different than, he gets a stiffie every time people are killed by knives or guns that aren't ARs...

Personally I get a stiffie whether the people are killed by knives, handguns, shotguns or ARs... It all furthers my political agenda that people are terrible.

If only the newspaper workplace wasn't a weapon free zone... Then someone could have stopped the killer using a personal defense tactical nuke. That would have saved us the trouble of a trial too....


Wow Victor, even for you that is just plain ignorant. Do you realize that I am sickened by killing of any kind, and am even against the death penalty? Even though Cruz and this animal Ramos are both monsters and must be removed from society, the idea of government killing them is appauling to me.

David
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#17 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 12:07 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
why is this in politics and why mention biden?

bad form



Did you have this same position when the last couple of school shootings went political rather than concern under general discussion?
jjanecka Offline
#18 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 1:11 AM EST
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I am all for the death penalty concerning murderers and pedophiles.
teedubbya Offline
#19 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 6:16 AM EST
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I get it. We need to be first to politicize slaughters to be better than the other people that are going to.

Zrx you are smarter than that. I know what he was referencing, the question is why?

It’s as if folks have no desire to be better than that they claim to despise.
teedubbya Offline
#20 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 6:19 AM EST
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Burner yes.... if it’s the immediate response. I don’t care what the setting is really.

Folks in some setting are shot, the bodies are still warm, and there is an immediate need to make it political. Regardless of which side you are on do you really think this is a good thing? I don’t.

Folks need to break out of their pattern before things can improve. They also need to quit justifying their actions with the actions of others.
teedubbya Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 6:22 AM EST
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That also applies to those blaming trump.
Mr. Jones Offline
#22 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 8:04 AM EST
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"RAMOS" ?????

MUST BE O.N.E. OF THOSE "BAD HOMBRES" FROM
"SOUTH OF THE BORDER" ( IN SOUTH CAROLINA)....

IF I WAS A REPORTER...I'D HAVE a concealed carry the first day I got hired...reporters go to some pretty hairy neighborhoods, crime scenes, and active events...

Where was the Capital Gazette security guard?

Taking a 30 minute dump?

Sounds fishy to me...every paper has a security guard around Central ,PA...H3LL , EVEN THE COMCAST CABLE CASHIERS WORK BEHIND 4" BULLIET PROOF GLASS
( JUST aim low, its only cheap azz steel and empty dry wall
From the floor up to the window bottom)
DrafterX Offline
#23 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 10:05 AM EST
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A top editor at Reuters apologized on Thursday night after blaming President Trump for the deadly Capital Gazette shooting in a now-deleted tweet that was sent during a “state of emotional distress,” but he might still be disciplined by the international news service.


Reuters Breakingviews Editor Rob Cox admitted that he “responded emotionally and inappropriately” after being called out for jumping to conclusions prior to the facts emerging. Police said the suspected gunman, eventually identified as Jarrod W. Ramos, targeted the newspaper after a lengthy feud regarding a 2012 defamation lawsuit.

“This is what happens when @realDonaldTrump calls journalists the enemy of the people. Blood is on your hands, Mr. President. Save your thoughts and prayers for your empty soul,” Cox wrote in the deleted tweet, according to TheWrap.


Cox apologized in a series of four tweets once it became clear that Ramos’ motive predated Trump entering the world of politics.


Cox wasn’t the only powerful media member attempting to pin the tragic attacks on President Trump. Think Progress founder Judd Legum claimed “Ramos does appear to be a Trump supporter,” using a 2015 tweet that had nothing to do with politics as his evidence. He was quickly mocked for the misleading tweet but had not deleted it at the time of this publication.


Film at 11... Think
Mr. Jones Offline
#24 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 10:22 AM EST
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Tweeters are imbeciles and adolescents.

Nothing but T.R.O.U.B.L.E....RETRIBUTION AND SHAME COMES FROM TWEETS...

TWITTER IS FOR MORONS.
victor809 Offline
#25 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 10:47 AM EST
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While his grudge may predate trump by years... That doesn't mean that the impetus to shoot the place up wasn't encouraged by the constant anti media rhetoric.

The two are not necessarily incompatible. Dude was pissed at the paper for years and never felt the need to take violent actions. What caused him to suddenly decide shooting the place up is a good idea will likely never be clearly understood.
delta1 Offline
#26 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 11:12 AM EST
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I asked the rhetorical question about whether Trump's constant, numerous and derogatory criticisms of the media, including his claim that "they are the enemy of the people," had any effect on the shooter's choice to target the newspaper. This was before it was determined he had a personal vendetta against the paper because it reported, factually, that he pled guilty to a harassment charge years ago. So it is less likely that Trump's diatribes against the press motivated this specific individual...

The question remains: can someone in an ultimate position of power say something loudly, repeatedly, stridently and long enough to motivate his followers to act harmfully upon those statements...

I believe Maxine Waters was wrong for suggesting that people opposed to the Trump administration's policy to intentionally and indiscriminately take children away from their families, publicly confront them. If she was my congressperson, I would not vote for her...we need more political leaders who respect the law and each other...

I also believed Trump was wrong to publicly incite his followers to "beat him up...beat the crap outta him...I'll pay your legal fees if you hurt him...the problem is no one wants to hurt anyone anymore..." Why would someone who is upset at Waters for what she said, also vote for and support someone who said this?

Last rhetorical question: the Gazette was known to lean left...will Trump pay Ramos' legal fees?
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#27 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 11:18 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
While his grudge may predate trump by years... That doesn't mean that the impetus to shoot the place up wasn't encouraged by the constant anti media rhetoric.

The two are not necessarily incompatible. Dude was pissed at the paper for years and never felt the need to take violent actions. What caused him to suddenly decide shooting the place up is a good idea will likely never be clearly understood.


Simple, Joe Biden talking about shotguns was the impetus. It makes just as much "sense" as talk about the media.

Now as to blatant threats and suggestions for violence look no further than hollyweird and the loony left talking about the President.
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#28 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 11:28 AM EST
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....Gene... With all due respect, WTF are you talking about?

I don't even know what you're talking about with that nonsense.

You're now saying that someone advocating buying a shotgun for self defense is likely to trigger a person to shoot up a newspaper? By that logic the entirety of the NRA is culpable, as well as a large portion of the posters here.

And I'm pretty sure no one in Hollywood has advocated attacking journalists, if he got his message from Hollywood, then he didn't get it very clearly.

Your flailing about for someone to blame to try to take the spotlight off our current administration (which has clearly and unambiguously stated that the media is the enemy of the people, which has advocated violence against media on multiple occasions)... Just makes it look like you believe this administration has culpability.
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#29 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 11:36 AM EST
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If someone can't understand the magnitude of difference between a person saying "if you want to protect yourself, get a double barrelled shotgun" and "the media is the enemy of the American people" then they probably shouldn't own a gun.

Or you could take that other right wing nut job Milos who was just advocating killing journalists....
delta1 Offline
#30 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 11:40 AM EST
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some people, presumably rational and not right wing nut jobs, actually elected a man who slugged and body slammed a journalist, on video, just before the election...
DrafterX Offline
#31 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 12:03 PM EST
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LOL
So it was Trump's fault after all ..!! Laugh
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#32 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 12:03 PM EST
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To be fair... I think body slammed is a bit of an exaggeration there.... Looked more like agressive hugging by a couple fat old guys.

But yes... Your point is taken. Rational people apparently think it's a good idea for politicians to physically attack journalists.
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#33 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 12:07 PM EST
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Not Joseph Goebbels
delta1 Offline
#34 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 12:09 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
LOL
So it was Trump's fault after all ..!! Laugh


I'm not going to do ALL your homework, Drafter...

just laying out facts, real ... not fake ... you can draw your own conclusions...
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#35 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 12:13 PM EST
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It was predetermined.. just had to find the 'what if's' to make it fit... Now it just needs to be repeated a few times and it will become election fuel... Mellow
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#36 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 12:15 PM EST
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Soon we will see journalists with Bodyguards because Trump put them in danger... Mellow
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#37 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 12:24 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
It was predetermined.. just had to find the 'what if's' to make it fit... Now it just needs to be repeated a few times and it will become election fuel... Mellow



yah...like..

they are an infestation...we won't be like Germany, where they let everybody in... crime is the highest it's ever been (the lowest since 1992) ...they're rapists, murderers, MS 13...

Speaking of Germany, its history includes a leader who repeated lies incessantly about a group of German citizens ... and they became fuel...
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#38 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 12:27 PM EST
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Like the dinosaurs..?? Huh
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#39 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 12:34 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Think Trump's non-stop bashing of the media had anything to do with this?

.


No.
victor809 Offline
#40 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 12:37 PM EST
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I'm sure there were fine people on both sides... Both sides...
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#41 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 12:41 PM EST
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Except for the journalists right..?? Mellow
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#42 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 1:22 PM EST
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Trump says they are the enemy of America...

I guess that means there aren't any good ones....
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#43 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 1:33 PM EST
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Except for Fox journalists.. they're Fair and Balanced... Mellow
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#44 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 1:39 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Except for Fox journalists.. they're Fair and Balanced... Mellow

Meaning what? They're fair-skinned and can balance on one leg?
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#45 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 1:47 PM EST
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It's not as easy as it sounds.. Mellow
delta1 Offline
#46 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 2:39 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
No.


many people blamed Obama for a wave of police shootings of unarmed black people who were not docile enough during their interactions and for the BLM movement and for murders of on duty law enforcement officers because of a FEW words he uttered about law enforcement/black people relations...

so many of those same people who do not believe Trump has the same kind of effect on people and has no possible relationship to a mass shooting of 5 journalists... must think Obama had some greater super-natural persuasive communications skills than Trump, even though Trump has been beating that drum about the evil press since he became a candidate...or TDS...
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#47 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 3:17 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
many people blamed Obama for a wave of police shootings of unarmed black people who were not docile enough during their interactions and for the BLM movement and for murders of on duty law enforcement officers because of a FEW words he uttered about law enforcement/black people relations...

so many of those same people who do not believe Trump has the same kind of effect on people and has no possible relationship to a mass shooting of 5 journalists... must think Obama had some greater super-natural persuasive communications skills than Trump, even though Trump has been beating that drum about the evil press since he became a candidate...or TDS...

But you believe the exact opposite, that trump had something to do with the recent shooting and Obama had nothing to do with any of the blm violence... i love you Al but you're exactly the same person you're criticizing... you just wear blue instead of red...
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#48 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 3:33 PM EST
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Al be cool hell.. Mellow
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#49 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 3:56 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
But you believe the exact opposite, that trump had something to do with the recent shooting and Obama had nothing to do with any of the blm violence... i love you Al but you're exactly the same person you're criticizing... you just wear blue instead of red...

At first I thought you might have a good point.
After some thought, thanks for nothing, I decided I strongly disagree with you.
Obama NEVER advocated violence against anyone. He always advocated the opposite: Dialogue.

The same cannot be said of Trump. He has asked people to hit protesters and actually use violence where necessary.

Obama tried to diffuse situations edging towards violence.

And while I don't want to think Trump intentionally encourages violence, I do think he's clueless as to the profound effect his rhetoric can have on certain people.
And he is reckless. And angry. Qualities that helped him win the election.
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#50 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2018, 4:03 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
But you believe the exact opposite, that trump had something to do with the recent shooting and Obama had nothing to do with any of the blm violence... i love you Al but you're exactly the same person you're criticizing... you just wear blue instead of red...


I don't "believe the exact opposite"...it's a matter of degree, opel...and motivations that can be attributed to the two leaders for saying the things they said...

I am not certain that Trump's rhetoric was a cause...see my wavering and lack of conviction in post #26...here's a sentence I typed, "So it is less likely that Trump's diatribes against the press motivated this specific individual..."

My point is that the right consistently argues and "proves" about libs that if you say something long enough and hard enough, despite whether or not it's true, it can be perceived as true...Trump has said long and hard that the "press is the enemy of the people"...

Remember when McCain was running for President and the elderly woman attending a rally said that Obama was a Muslim? McClain, to his credit, corrected her. That's an example of saying something long enough and hard enough that it can influence another's beliefs and may/could motivate behavior. Heck, there are still a percentage of people who believe Obama was born in Kenya...

Of course I am susceptible to propaganda and demagoguery, we're all people...but I am more fact driven than most and believe I've come to hold some values based on a lifetime of experience, education, observation and study.

(edit: Huck made the case for the third phrase of this post)
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