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Some unexpected ideas in this video- from Oct. 29, 2017
--- was this already mentioned somewhere on CB? Don't know.
Jordan is a big fan of cigars, has his favorites, appreciates new experiences.
His wife is Cuban. She would like to go to Cuba too, but for different reasons than Michael.
Why has Jordan waited to visit Cuba? Could it be he doesn't want to be followed by the press?
He says that the news that sells best is news that is bad....

https://video.cigaraficionado.com/play/id/5581210016001/name/Michael_Jordan_on_His_Favorite_Smokes_+_Visiting_Cuba

Favorite cigar: Partagas Lusitania without a pause.
Marvin R. Shanken has some insight for Jordan on how his going to Cuba would affect the Cuban people.
He can't wait to share a Precaster (Precastor?) Cuban with Michael. He doesn't open those that often...

^ my bet too.

No, I'd drive 2 hours to slap him.

Why would anyone be keeping tobacco leaves this long -- from 70 years ago?
Don't they gradually lose their appeal over time?
Seems they would tend to get a bit musty eventually.
I'm sure if the humidity was right they'd still be flexible so you could roll them and wrap them around a cigar.
But would they still have an appealing output of smoke when they burn?
Sometimes famous old wine goes up for auction and sells for immense sums.
Then when the buyer pulls the cork he finds inside the bottle the wine has turned to vinegar. Woops.

To think I actually ran precastor and precaster through a search engine to find out what it was.
I had in mind "Stratocaster or Stradicastor" -- you know, as in Fender?


Kind of like Stratovarious or Stradivarius, you know? You gotta start somewhere.

Dave is correct.

What I can remember...

There were some ones made with allegedly pre-embargo tobacco. Can't remember the brand offhand though. Some story about a warehouse in New Jersey with perfect storage conditions that was somehow tied up in probate for almost 60 years and no one could touch the contents. Lo and behold! Bales and bales and bales upon bales of Cuban tobacco were found. For as many manufacturers as there were that claimed to have pre-embargo tobacco at that moment, that warehouse must have taken up half of the state.

While I guess anything is possible, the whole story reeks of utter bullsh!t. If there is any truth to it, I suspect that the
tobacco is what they would have been importing for clear Havanas, which weren't typically made with the high end tobacco. Think more like counter cigars. I have smoked a few clear havana cigars, and they are interesting but nothing to write home about. Wasn't spectacular tobacco to begin with and now it's just old. As for the newly made cigars from the found tobacco, there is no rule about how much of it they had to put into a cigar to call it "made with Pre-Embargo Cuban tobacco" - I guess if you ground up a bunch of leaves and put them in a pepper shaker and sprinkled a bit on the Dominican filler as they were rolling, they could legitimately say they were made with pre-embargo tobacco.

I seem to recall someone posting a review describing them as tasting like a cross between a glade air freshener and a can of bug spray.

Camacho also made one or two releases of the Liberty cigars with pre-embargo tobacco. Although they supposedly bought it at auction from Christie's who sourced it from someplace other than the magic warehouse. Being Christie's one would hope that means that it was verified for authenticity and history. And it was a small lot, like 4 small bales. Which was only enough for like 60,000 cigars across two different years of releases if I remember correctly. Camacho's claims at least were believable, and their cigars that had the Christie's tobacco were damn good cigars. Although I will also say that all of their Liberty cigars back then, pre-embargo or not, were always outstanding.

Kind of calls the claims of the Liberty and how much tobacco they had into question, doesn't it?

Could be more magic warehouse crap.

So they put one little leaf crumble sprinkle in there and call it pre embargo? Or they just say they did.

If they use a pepper shaker like this, they could justify saying that the cigar has notes of pepper and spices.

When I see videos of cigar rolling operations I have to wonder what becomes of all the trimmings.
They must have hundreds of pounds of excellent tobacco in the form of tiny pieces trimmed off their best cigars.
Certainly that could be put in like you say, a pepper shaker and sprinkled a bit on the Dominican filler as they're rolling!

Hey, it could even be used for pipe tobacco!

Dan, they're actually pretty good but not worth what they fetchanged but I'm cheap that way.

btpcm, the Liberty series used aged tobacco before rolling so you can add years to that. And I smoked one abut 3 years ago and it was good then too.

After they separate out the wrapper leaf, the remainder of the trim is used to make mixed filler (aka "Cuban sandwich cigars") and/or short filler cigars.

For example
https://www.cigarbid.com/shop/?q=fumas

I suppose you could use it for pipe tobacco, but it's not really processed or fermented the same. Making pipe tobacco is a very different process.

So these fumas are not long filler, but short filler - which means their ash will fall off faster, no?

I know a cigar shop proprietor who has told new customers you know a good cigar when the ash doesn't fall off too easily.
Seems it would be challenging to roll a cigar using small pieces of trim and still be able to control the draw.
It would all be in how tightly it's binder is put on, since that's the last chance to keep the draw from being too hard.
Am I far off here or what?

They just sweep up all the unused crap off the floor, so the only additional cost is for the rollers, and in 3rd world countries, labor is cheap.

I personally don't buy floor sweepings.

I bet he already knew that.

Risky bet.

Smoking cigarettes is waste of time.

The wind usually blows my cigar ash away, that is, if I'm not having a competition with a friend to see whose ash takes longest to fall off, regardless of what I'm wearing.

A neighbor who grew up in Cuba told me his brother was coming to visit and he was bringing two boxes of Cohiba Robustos, sealed in plastic, "Freshly rolled from the factory in Havana." That should have been a red flag. Key word, freshly. So I bought a box. But I wasn't impressed by their flavor. I would call it mild, like a Macanudo at best.

They had a very nice construction, excellent draw, beautiful appearance, and that's about it.
The look, feel and draw was impeccable, but holding one and sniffing it left a big "?" (no aroma).
So I gave a couple of them to some friends for their opinion and they said, "These are not Cubans."

Later I found out that Cohiba Robustos are the most frequently faked Cuban cigars worldwide.
Moral of the story, when it comes to Cuban cigars you can't trust your neighbor face-to-face.

So you see, I'm no newcomer for being handed a line of **** under the pretense of accurate information.
It would be nice to get a straight answer when I ask an honest question. But maybe that's asking too much.

Camacho is Davidoff now. They have a library of tobacco available from all years and countries. Given the stores of tobacco that company must have, they likely could lend some of it the Camacho Liberty. I don't think Davidoff wants to besmirch it's reputation with just a pepper shaker's bit of pre-embargo Cuban tobacco. They've got super expensive cigars to sell. Not worth the risk/loss of reputation.

never been sure about full body...but I do know what full strength means.