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Why do liberals cheer when Squaw Elizabeth Warren screeches about wealthy people paying their "fair share".

But then they accuse President Donald Trump of offending other NATO countries when he points out that they're not paying their "fair share"?


Back in 2006, the NATO nations agreed that each should target 2% GDP for defense spending.
In 2018 only 5 countries comply, with the US by far the highest in both percentage and total dollars.
Everyone else is below. Some WAY below.

So now that Trump is revealing this scam to the world, the solution is:
To comply by 2024.

Bravo.

They couldn't do it in 12 years, so we'll just tack on another 6 years and hope for the best.

Fingers crossed...

I agree, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Everyone just expects us to save their azz when the sh*t hits the fan.

^ yup I agree with you but I think it's also him showing that we are the lone superpower. Again I agree.

.... Apples and oranges.

I agree that it would be nice if out NATO allies would comply with the agreements which have been made. But this has nothing to do with "paying their fair share".
The 2% gdp of troop expenditures doesn't go to anything. It's just an agreed amount of military readiness in the event that military force is needed.

This is the equivalent of the neighbors in a HOA not maintaining their lawn as the HOA requires.... "Paying your fair share" would be the equivalent of an HOA member not paying their dues. This is not that case.

So does it suck? Yes... It's a violation of an agreement. Is that a dumb, tortured false equivalency in tails poorly formed argument? Yes, yes it is a dumb, tortured false equivalency.... But he's degenerated to constant attempts at trolling...so we don't expect much else.

I don't get it.... both are fairly round, both have a peel, seeds inside, a high vitamin c content.... both are fruit... there are a lot of shared traits between apples and oranges... i don't see the need to villainize the comparison...

No matter where you come down on 'Trump', ya gotta love this photo...hope it wasn't 'shopped'
https://qz.com/1325858/nato-summit-2018-a-photo-of-trump-and-world-leaders-that-is-too-obvious/

They all look left for a reason.

^ this

It's funny that people like Victor don't see how the 2% makes it all work.

NATO is a group of nations that support each other militarily.
That only works when each carries their own load.

Look at Germany.
They're crying that they want NATO (the USA) to protect them from Russia.
Meanwhile, Germany (yes, the same Germany) is in deals with Russia (yes, the same Russia) for their fuel. A nice pipeline that makes Germany the biggest fuel export from Russia.

Germany is confident in this deal because if Putin flexes his muscle they have NATO support.
Support from the group where they refuse to own up to their obligations.

And vic wants to talk about his HOA dues.

I'd call it "Apples and bananas" but he might blush.

when the sh*t hit the fan after 9/11, our NATO partners teamed up with us to go after the terrorists...the only time in NATO's history the agreement to help all partners was used...and NATO has continued the anti-terrorist mission that grew out of the response to 9/11 in Afghanistan...

ironic that we are now demanding members to pony up...

and you completely missed the point.
I never said it wasn't bad. I said that your attempt to link it to some other political point was tortured.

But of course you just plow on with your whole NATO thing, because that's all you wanted to do anyway, regardless of what anyone's statement was.

I have no issue with wanting them to get to 2% as promised and pushing them. Trump should get credit for increasing their contributions. As should the latter years of the Obama admin. But trump should get more credit.

What bothers me is calling NATO obsolete, making things up like Germany being owned by Russia and getting 70% of their energy from them,, and moving the goal posts to 4% prior to the agreed upon deadline to meet the 2% at the same time we have no intention on meeting 4%. Shunning the NATO allies through his entrance antics is **** too. These are our allies.

I also take issue with his antics at the G-6 or 7... whatever especially the let Russia back in rhetoric and the attacks against our allies.

Its as if he is trying to weaken NATO and weaken the relationships with our allies in general.

If Putin didn’t buy him and there was no collusion then Putin sure got lucky with his box of cracker jacks. He got an orange puppet to do his bidding. Putin has to be sitting around rubbing his nipples in glee.

Trump is delivering everything Putin has stated he wants for years including Trump normalizing his invasion of Crimea etc.

Odd.... all while the Orwellian doublespeak seems to work with some.

As for warren wgaf about her whining. I find her irrelevant and if the Dems run her or someone like her they will lose. She’s nothing and I don’t get the fascination with her. The trump like slurs to describe her I can only assume is part of the TDS.

I'm glad you find her irrelevant, but truth be told she is very relevant.

She was instrumental in organizing the first Occupy movements.
She coined "it takes a village" before Obama and Hillary ran with it.
She wanted to "hammer" the evil corporation long before Bernie Sanders used that mantra in the primaries.
More recently, she's the one who demanded that ICE be abolished.

She's nothing more than an obstructionist, but she has a knack for hitting home runs on the talking points that her base embrace.

You mean there were bad guys on both sides..??

Drafter, yes.

Buckwheat, I would be all for that.

Her base isn't demonized because the mainstream dems can't bring themselves to disagree with anything viewed as anti-Trump.

As for ANTIFA, despite how much they disgust me, there is no real comparison to white supremacists.
ANTIFA are simple anarchists who claim to be anti-fascist but fall short because they have no real message.