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DrafterX Offline
#51 Posted: Thu, Jul 12 2018, 8:22 PM EST
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We're always good Frank... I just over stir da pot sometimes I guess.. I'm sorry.. Sad
tailgater Offline
#52 Posted: Thu, Jul 12 2018, 8:33 PM EST
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So this all begs the question:
Which one's of you were swayed by Russia?
Speyside Offline
#53 Posted: Thu, Jul 12 2018, 8:46 PM EST
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My guess is none here were. Only hypothesizing, but I think less intelligent people would be swayed. People here reach their own conclusions.
DrafterX Offline
#54 Posted: Thu, Jul 12 2018, 8:48 PM EST
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Facts swayed me.. Mellow
delta1 Offline
#55 Posted: Thu, Jul 12 2018, 9:13 PM EST
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which ones? Real.... or ..... alternative?
delta1 Offline
#56 Posted: Thu, Jul 12 2018, 9:22 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
My guess is none here were. Only hypothesizing, but I think less intelligent people would be swayed. People here reach their own conclusions.



I can't think of a single person I know who was undecided between Trump and Hillary, up to election day. And everyone was very adamant about their choice. However, the number of people voting for Johnson and other third party candidates indicate there was a percentage of voters who were undecided and swayable...

There were a few key states with very slim margins of victory for Trump: Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin....about 80,000 votes total among all three. Be interesting to see if there is evidence discovered by our intel agencies that investigated Russian meddling in the election about the kinds and volume of Russian efforts in those states.
Speyside Offline
#57 Posted: Thu, Jul 12 2018, 9:32 PM EST
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Delta, why would you think someone who voted third party was undecided? A strong argument could be made that they did not want either Trump or Clinton. Conservative does not necessarily mean Republican and liberal does not necessarily mean Democrat.
frankj1 Offline
#58 Posted: Thu, Jul 12 2018, 10:23 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
So this all begs the question:
Which one's of you were swayed by Russia?


well, if you've been following me here forever, it was never voter fixing, though that has not been officially discounted yet, rather it was buying influence, as in policy influence. That was the meddling, they supported Trump's wide ranging and often incorrect attacks with misinformation releases, bought his closest advisors for more access, and more stuff you haven't noticed. His winning was a bonus for them...

Just this week the official spokesperson for the USA once again attacked our greatest allies over the last 75 years and said (pretty much) he preferred Putin to NATO.

so to answer who was swayed by Russia...let's start with Manafort and connect the dots.

Regardless of the findings of the investigation, I have to admit I'm excited to stay at the new Trump Tower Moscow slated to open in early 2021 or 4 years later.
frankj1 Offline
#59 Posted: Thu, Jul 12 2018, 10:24 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
We're always good Frank... I just over stir da pot sometimes I guess.. I'm sorry.. Sad

never was worried.
You have a job to do here and I am a fan.
DrafterX Offline
#60 Posted: Thu, Jul 12 2018, 10:25 PM EST
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Voters knew nothing about all of the alleged stuff... They had a tough choice... Trump won... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#61 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 7:12 AM EST
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It’s nice to know marketing doesn’t influence anyone in here and money and information/misinformation don’t influence politics. Makes sense.

But I agree with Frank. To me that’s not the question and misses the point. Who owes who what, and is there anything being held over the head of anyone. And who stands or stood to profit.

The Russians have a known way of creating assets. Did they? Are we ok with Russian assets in positions of power in our government? I’m not. necessarily talking Trump but sonme of his staff.

Since we presumably create our own assets world wide are some of you ok with them creating assets in this admin? I’m not.

Do you beleive if putin finds one of our assets we inevitably have in his government he chuckles and says it’s ok we do it too?

I’m amazed the law and order party doesn’t want to get to the bottom of this to the point they will do everything in their power to discredit the investigation we and they know little about. It’s shameful really. How do the house and senate draw such different conclusions. Is one body more political?

All because you either want your guy to win the game or perhaps more of the marketing and double speak is working that you care to admit or recognize.

Who cares about the Ukraine anyway? Manafort had it removed from the platform anyway. It’s the only change to the platform. Flynn assured the ruskies sanctions would go away. Flynn being under surveillance was bad. Manafort too. Multiple undisclosed meetings between campaign staff and family one of which was to get dirt from the Russians and eventually lied about in an effort by the president himself.

Add putin to the G6, the G6 are bad anyway Putin is the only good one. NATO is obsolete. Germany is controlled by Russia. The EU should dismantle it’s worse than nafta or transatlantic. The Russians are the only ones that can do what needs to be done in Syria to the point I’m going to tell them what we will do before doing it so they and Syria can get out of harms way. All the other world leaders, especially our allies are bad and deserve to be atracked. Putin is good and has never done a thing wrong. We are playing Putin’s hand for him.

Weird actions that prove nothing ^

We don’t know what the investigation will bring. I’m hopeful trump himself is clean for the good of the country. The active political pressure to soil the investigation is bizarre, telling, and right in front of us. It’s obvious. Some see it and it’s just a game to win. Others are true Trump beleivers. Others yet really beleive the deep state and other conspiracy theories. To some the constant barrage of marketing from one side works. We know it works. Occam’s Razor is rarely applied.

Let the investigation play out, quit throwing poison at it. Let’s wait for the facts.
teedubbya Offline
#62 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 7:15 AM EST
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Oh I know. But obama did this and Hillary did that.
HuckFinn Offline
#63 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 7:40 AM EST
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Good read regarding Russian interference/meddling


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/02/13/when-we-talk-about-russian-meddling-what-do-we-actually-mean/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4b5f06eb79d4
tailgater Offline
#64 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 9:38 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
well, if you've been following me here forever, it was never voter fixing, though that has not been officially discounted yet, rather it was buying influence, as in policy influence. That was the meddling, they supported Trump's wide ranging and often incorrect attacks with misinformation releases, bought his closest advisors for more access, and more stuff you haven't noticed. His winning was a bonus for them...

Just this week the official spokesperson for the USA once again attacked our greatest allies over the last 75 years and said (pretty much) he preferred Putin to NATO.

so to answer who was swayed by Russia...let's start with Manafort and connect the dots.

Regardless of the findings of the investigation, I have to admit I'm excited to stay at the new Trump Tower Moscow slated to open in early 2021 or 4 years later.



It's funny how bias can influence how we see things.
You saw this NATO/Germany/Russia thing and conclude it proves Russia Russia Russia influenced Trump and the election, etc.
I watched it unfold and concluded that it proved Trump wasn't in bed with Putin.
He forced Germany and NATO to pony up and defend themselves better. Against who? (whom?)
Well, Russia of course.

Why would he do that if he were buddies with Putin? If he had monetary gains from a stronger Russia wouldn't he allow the NATO nations be patsies on the matter?

Not saying who's right or wrong.
I'm Just saying I'm right.
DrafterX Offline
#65 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 9:40 AM EST
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If'n it wasn't for Russia the left wouldn't have anything to disparage Trump with... Mellow
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#66 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 9:52 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Oh I know. But obama did this and Hillary did that.

Yeah, I heard that too...Anxious
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#67 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 9:54 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
If'n it wasn't for Russia the left wouldn't have anything to disparage Trump with... Mellow

….But Stormy Daniels....Anxious
DrafterX Offline
#68 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 9:56 AM EST
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I seen her boobs once.... Mellow
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#69 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 9:59 AM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Good read regarding Russian interference/meddling


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/02/13/when-we-talk-about-russian-meddling-what-do-we-actually-mean/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4b5f06eb79d4

Not a good read and i can sum the article up easily... when liberals say meddling, what they mean is facebook gossiping and rumor spreading... and even though liberals now do far more facebook sh*t posting than anyone, they think it should be illegal for anyone whose name ends in -ov...
DrafterX Offline
#70 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 10:03 AM EST
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I used to meddle a little with a girl named Natasha... Mellow
delta1 Offline
#71 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 11:31 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Delta, why would you think someone who voted third party was undecided? A strong argument could be made that they did not want either Trump or Clinton. Conservative does not necessarily mean Republican and liberal does not necessarily mean Democrat.


They are proof that there is a segment of the population that doesn't vote along party lines, and thus, could be open to being influenced by info regarding specific candidates. And that last sentence you wrote means that a vote by a liberal NOT cast for a Dem is a lost vote, so it can be argued that the Russian campaign, by their own admission, was intended to hurt Hillary (convince some voters to not vote for her) and help Trump (convince some voters to vote for him). Stopping someone from voting for a candidate is just as good as convincing someone to vote for a candidate.

Net loss is as good as a net gain. That explains why the GOP is pushing voter restriction/regulation laws. They're not trying to get people to vote for them...they're trying to stop some people from voting.


Looking at the numbers...2.25 M voted for Hillary in MI; 3 M voted Hillary in PA; 1.4 M voted for her in WI...that's nearly 7 million votes...she lost those states by a total of about 80,000 votes or about 1.1% ... plausible that a steady drumbeat of negative press, info on social media and other internet sources convinced at least one of one hundred people to NOT vote for Hillary...we'll never know though, because it would be very difficult to do an evaluation of those election results because you'd have to ask a huge number of people why they voted the way they did.
DrafterX Offline
#72 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 11:39 AM EST
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Hillary lost... Mellow
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#73 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 11:40 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Not a good read and i can sum the article up easily... when liberals say meddling, what they mean is facebook gossiping and rumor spreading... and even though liberals now do far more facebook sh*t posting than anyone, they think it should be illegal for anyone whose name ends in -ov...

How can you sum it up easily.
You didn't even read it.

Oh right...liberals...Washington Post....


Question: IS IT OK FOR THE RUSSIANS TO MEDDLE?


Is anyone here okay with that?
HuckFinn Offline
#74 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 11:40 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Hillary lost... Mellow

Trump cheated
DrafterX Offline
#75 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 11:44 AM EST
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LOL
delta1 Offline
#76 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 11:52 AM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
How can you sum it up easily.
You didn't even read it.

Oh right...liberals...Washington Post....


Question: IS IT OK FOR THE RUSSIANS TO MEDDLE?


Is anyone here okay with that?


buncha peeps here say, "YES, because we meddle" (while thinking to themselves...but only if our preferred candidate wins)

* above was typed in my best tail "I know what you're thinking" impression...
DrafterX Offline
#77 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 11:53 AM EST
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“There is no allegation in this indictment that any American citizen committed a crime," Rosenstein said. "There is no allegation that the conspiracy changed the vote count or affected any election result.”

Rosenstein added: “The special counsel's investigation is ongoing.”

Mellow
delta1 Offline
#78 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 11:56 AM EST
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OK...so you're saying that all attempted crimes should not be investigated or prosecuted...
DrafterX Offline
#79 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 11:58 AM EST
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I didn't say anything... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#80 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 12:01 PM EST
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I am bewildered that you guys give the Russians so much credit and assume the American people are idiots that are so easily influenced... There's no doubt in my mind anyone except Hillary & Bernie woulds beat Trump.. Mellow
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#81 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 12:02 PM EST
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HuckCNN wrote:
How can you sum it up easily.
You didn't even read it.

Oh right...liberals...Washington Post....


Question: IS IT OK FOR THE RUSSIANS TO MEDDLE?


Is anyone here okay with that?

I 100% read it, and I did easily sum it up... here's the big boy version...

The story addresses the topic of russian meddling (not trump cheating, as you've stated twice)on 4 fronts, listed below...

Hacking political organizations and staff - this actually happened, once... to podesta... the level of sophistication used was so low - think nigerian prince low - it demonstrates a lack of plausibility that the hack was the result of high level, organised criminal activity, but it happened... however, the information found from that hack was the most damaging, not the hack itself... the election wasn't compromised as a result of the hack... the election was found to have been compromised through the hack... wapo led with this point because it's the only one that has a shred of truth to it...

Hacking voter rolls and systems - a russian ip address supposedly accessed the same information that the rnc and dnc regularly sell... that's all folks, nothing to see here...

Creating and sharing news stories about the election - so, literally - not figuratively - facebook sh*t posting and rumor circulating...

Social media outreach, bots and trolls - so, literally - not figuratively - facebook sh*t posting and rumor - wait, didn't we just do this...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#82 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 12:06 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I am bewildered that you guys give the Russians so much credit and assume the American people are idiots that are so easily influenced... There's no doubt in my mind anyone except Hillary & Bernie woulds beat Trump.. Mellow

bernie woulda won... 100%...

as for the rest, college kids tend to be liberal more often than not... and college kids are by far the most easily influenced idiots on the face of the earth...
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#83 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 12:10 PM EST
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From the National Review ...

Two conclusions about Mueller’s indictment of 13 Russian nationals for interfering in the 2016 election are clear. One is that Russia engaged in a systematic and wide-ranging effort to manipulate American voters. President Trump’s response to this fact has been typically narcissistic and indefensible: He has considered solely the investigation’s impact upon him, rather than the nation, and has even linked it to the school shooting in Florida.


https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/02/russias-election-meddling-and-the-credulous-american/
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#84 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 12:14 PM EST
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Again, IS IT OK IF RUSSIA MEDDLES WITH OUR ELECTIONS?

Simple nuff question
delta1 Offline
#85 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 12:17 PM EST
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Not sure about that. It's not a gimmee that he could've won the nomination even without Hillary's deck stacking...and even if he could've, the cons were saying his agenda was more whacked than Hillary's. They may've come out to vote for Trump in bigger numbers to keep that insane socialist fog from the WH...he's more Elizabeth Warren than Elizabeth...
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#86 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 12:19 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
From the National Review ...

Two conclusions about Mueller’s indictment of 13 Russian nationals for interfering in the 2016 election are clear. One is that Russia engaged in a systematic and wide-ranging effort to manipulate American voters. President Trump’s response to this fact has been typically narcissistic and indefensible: He has considered solely the investigation’s impact upon him, rather than the nation, and has even linked it to the school shooting in Florida.


https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/02/russias-election-meddling-and-the-credulous-american/




you are just not getting this... post as many links as you want... they all say the exact same thing because they all pull from the same sources... you're not going to suddenly stumble across a new set of facts on some obscure news site... its one set of facts set around a million personal opinions...

here's the fact: what russia did amounts to sh*t posting and rumor circulating on facebook... that might enrage you... you may think it the worst crime of the millenium, deserving of death... that is fine... the fact doesn't change... what russia did amounts to sh*t posting and rumor circulating on facebook...

I know, I know, you hate what they did... what russia did amounts to sh*t posting and rumor circulating on facebook... I hear ya, you think it's treasonous... what russia did amounts to sh*t posting and rumor circulating on facebook... I understand, you think trump cheated... what russia did amounts to sh*t posting and rumor circulating on facebook...
delta1 Offline
#87 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 12:21 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Again, IS IT OK IF RUSSIA MEDDLES WITH OUR ELECTIONS?

Simple nuff question



Wonder if this will come up in Trump's meeting with Putin...maybe Trump will ask Putin to extradite those 13 Russians who witch hunter Mueller indicted?


Most likely, they're gonna spend all their time looking over the drawings of Trump Tower Moscow...
victor809 Offline
#88 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 12:24 PM EST
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... I think you underestimate the power of Facebook sh*tposting...

Have you read some of the people's posts here? I've seen people reference some completely implausible crap, which they believe because it came from their friend who passed an article which had a meme that was funny....

I don't know for sure what's going on...

But there have been some interesting articles about it.

The Russian "internet research agency" has apparently created about 50 Twitter accounts mimicking local US news sites (close names or defunct newspapers)... And have been reporting accurate local news to build up a following. Think about what can be done there if suddenly they decided to coordinate misinformation, after a few years of developing trust?

They created fake Facebook groups on both sides of the black lives matter issue... There is evidence that they would create groups for black lives matter. ... I appeared they used these groups to make it seem there was a more militant black rising.... They created Facebook groups to impersonate a Muslim rights group... Think about what sort of power that gives them?... They can impersonate both sides, make both sides seem extreme... Then use whatever extreme thing they do in one group as evidence at the other group...

This creates an "us vs them" emergency. I've watched it here day in and day out.

How many people here have said things like "I didn't want trump but at least he isn't Clinton"... That's the sort of logic that occurs when one has been destabilized. That's panic talking.

And the election is practically nothing. Even ignoring the election... Look at the money flowing from Russian Banks to Trump's business interests... He was bought. Does the purchaser get everything they want? Probably not. They're smart enough to know that you don't fully buy in. You really buy key actions.... So sure... He'll do things that disadvantage the Russians. But there will be some key times when he does things which will really pay off their investment.
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#89 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 12:25 PM EST
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_State
s_elections

Here's what Putin's up to in Moldova and Georgia and the Ukraine according to
The Daily Caller

http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/22/russian-meddling-facts/

It's partisan bs to ignore the fact that Putin has this nefarious and very specific agenda.

Trump not acknowledging it indicates complicity.
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#90 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 12:27 PM EST
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Wonder how many votes were swayed by Hillary calling half the country deplorables.. Think
delta1 Offline
#91 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 12:28 PM EST
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propaganda works...that's why it is still a popular political tool...man, I could go for an El Diablo Thickburger right about now...
HuckFinn Offline
#92 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 12:30 PM EST
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She called half of Trump's supporters deplorables.
You might be safe
DrafterX Offline
#93 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 12:31 PM EST
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I could use a El Diablo Thick burger about now too... Mellow
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#94 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 12:32 PM EST
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Had my first Shake Shack burger in Manhattan yesterday. Pretty good!
delta1 Offline
#95 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 12:34 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Wonder how many votes were swayed by Hillary calling half the country deplorables.. Think



Theryago with alternative facts ...

She said "Half of Trump supporters are deplorable"

Trump's base is measured at about 40% of the population, give or take a percentage or two, depending on what he just tweeted...

So she really put about 20% of the people in the basket of deplorables. I think that number is a skosh high, too...
DrafterX Offline
#96 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 12:48 PM EST
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Well, we were all offended... Not talking
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#97 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 1:07 PM EST
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That's just because you couldn't tell which of you were deplorable and which weren't....
DrafterX Offline
#98 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 1:14 PM EST
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I was deplorable before being deplorable was cool... Mellow
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#99 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 1:18 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
It's funny how bias can influence how we see things.
You saw this NATO/Germany/Russia thing and conclude it proves Russia Russia Russia influenced Trump and the election, etc.
I watched it unfold and concluded that it proved Trump wasn't in bed with Putin.
He forced Germany and NATO to pony up and defend themselves better. Against who? (whom?)
Well, Russia of course.

Why would he do that if he were buddies with Putin? If he had monetary gains from a stronger Russia wouldn't he allow the NATO nations be patsies on the matter?

Not saying who's right or wrong.
I'm Just saying I'm right.


your point missed me by a mile. I'm going by direct statements by Trump, not a pre-existing condition.
He made clear statements re: about Putin vs NATO.

And since the NATO stuff, he has continued to rant against our closest allies in the world while cozying up to yet another brutal dictator.

The question I ask myself instead of trying to find a way to make it sound different to fit an agenda is: who benefits from these words and actions? I can't find where it is vague enough to blame bias.

That said, you may decide you support those politics, I don't.

The USA never has either.
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#100 Posted: Fri, Jul 13 2018, 1:32 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
you are just not getting this... post as many links as you want... they all say the exact same thing because they all pull from the same sources... you're not going to suddenly stumble across a new set of facts on some obscure news site... its one set of facts set around a million personal opinions...

here's the fact: what russia did amounts to sh*t posting and rumor circulating on facebook... that might enrage you... you may think it the worst crime of the millenium, deserving of death... that is fine... the fact doesn't change... what russia did amounts to sh*t posting and rumor circulating on facebook...

I know, I know, you hate what they did... what russia did amounts to sh*t posting and rumor circulating on facebook... I hear ya, you think it's treasonous... what russia did amounts to sh*t posting and rumor circulating on facebook... I understand, you think trump cheated... what russia did amounts to sh*t posting and rumor circulating on facebook...


You know who the National Review and the Daily Caller are, right?

You read what Russia is up to in Moldova , the Ukraine and Georgia, right?

You don't think Putin sees a payoff for his investment in others' elections?

He's just chit posting and circulating rumors? Having some fun without tangible results,
Well except for some laughs?

Seriously?

Ignore or excuse what's going on if thats how you roll. But when the CIA, NSA, FBI and ODNI all confirm Russia impacted our elections, sorry, my first question isn't 'to what extent exactly?' My first question is 'can we stop them in the future?'
Until at least it's proven beyond a doubt that it was all for, as you seem to be implying, i mean repeating, 'chits and giggles'.
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