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what did russian meddling accomplish?
Speyside Offline
#101 Posted:
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TG, I think there is another possibility. Putin wins every time NATO becomes less stable. To say we know why Trump is doing what he is with NATO is pure conjecture. You may be right, but just as easily you may be wrong. I do agree that bias does drive our opinions. I have absolutly no facts to prove my possibility. It is just a thought to consider.
tailgater Offline
#102 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
OK...so you're saying that all attempted crimes should not be investigated or prosecuted...


So if I intended to go fast, but my POS car could only muster 55mph, should I be arrested?

Or if I wanted to rape you but suffered from premature ejaculation, would you find me guilty?

Asking for a friend.


tailgater Offline
#103 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
TG, I think there is another possibility. Putin wins every time NATO becomes less stable. To say we know why Trump is doing what he is with NATO is pure conjecture. You may be right, but just as easily you may be wrong. I do agree that bias does drive our opinions. I have absolutly no facts to prove my possibility. It is just a thought to consider.


OK Billy Joel.

victor809 Offline
#104 Posted:
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....I'm pretty sure if you ejaculted all over Delta you could get arrested...


... unless he asked for it....
tailgater Offline
#105 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:
Again, IS IT OK IF RUSSIA MEDDLES WITH OUR ELECTIONS?

Simple nuff question



You can't even define "meddles", so how can we answer.

In words you'll understand: It depends on what the definition of the word "is" is.

tailgater Offline
#106 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
....I'm pretty sure if you ejaculted all over Delta you could get arrested...


... unless he asked for it....


I'll defer to the expert.


DrafterX Offline
#107 Posted:
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Well, at least he's not screaming collision anymore.. Mellow
tailgater Offline
#108 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
your point missed me by a mile. I'm going by direct statements by Trump, not a pre-existing condition.
He made clear statements re: about Putin vs NATO.

And since the NATO stuff, he has continued to rant against our closest allies in the world while cozying up to yet another brutal dictator.

The question I ask myself instead of trying to find a way to make it sound different to fit an agenda is: who benefits from these words and actions? I can't find where it is vague enough to blame bias.

That said, you may decide you support those politics, I don't.

The USA never has either.



Or, you can ask yourself what speaks louder: words or actions?

America's citizenry have become meek and soft and easily offended by words.
Don't let that become our Nation's MO.

tailgater Offline
#109 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:
You know who the National Review and the Daily Caller are, right?

You read what Russia is up to in Moldova , the Ukraine and Georgia, right?

You don't think Putin sees a payoff for his investment in others' elections?

He's just chit posting and circulating rumors? Having some fun without tangible results,
Well except for some laughs?

Seriously?

Ignore or excuse what's going on if thats how you roll. But when the CIA, NSA, FBI and ODNI all confirm Russia impacted our elections, sorry, my first question isn't 'to what extent exactly?' My first question is 'can we stop them in the future?'
Until at least it's proven beyond a doubt that it was all for, as you seem to be implying, i mean repeating, 'chits and giggles'.


Ukraine.
Not THE Ukraine.

And which FBI?
The one who vowed to not let Trump get elected?

I just want to make sure the facts are correct before we begin a discussion.

thank you.

tailgater Offline
#110 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
I was deplorable before being deplorable was cool... Mellow


I'm on facebook and I made a similar comment just weeks after the election.
I got un-friended by a gal I know.

So i grabbed her ***** and told her to make me a sammich.

Now all is good.



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#111 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
other than Latin America and the Middle East in the 50's-70's, can anyone show me any examples of US interference in a country's elections that resulted in our preferred candidate prevailing? "Meddle" like what the Russians did is defined as secretive, clandestine, intentionally unbeknownst to and concealed from authorities in the attacked nation.


Here...have 6.


https://spectator.org/obamas-meddling-in-foreign-elections-six-examples/
tailgater Offline
#112 Posted:
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A lot of back and forth.

Honest question:

Does anyone think that Trump doesn't win if Russia were just a hole in the ocean?


Simple yes/no.
Or you can elaborate.

Speyside Offline
#113 Posted:
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No. I think he won due to running a better campaign. People were laughing at his wasted time in Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Michigan. Oops, guess what. Also one final thought. He is my president.
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#114 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
you are just not getting this... post as many links as you want... they all say the exact same thing because they all pull from the same sources... you're not going to suddenly stumble across a new set of facts on some obscure news site... its one set of facts set around a million personal opinions...

here's the fact: what russia did amounts to sh*t posting and rumor circulating on facebook... that might enrage you... you may think it the worst crime of the millenium, deserving of death... that is fine... the fact doesn't change... what russia did amounts to sh*t posting and rumor circulating on facebook...

I know, I know, you hate what they did... what russia did amounts to sh*t posting and rumor circulating on facebook... I hear ya, you think it's treasonous... what russia did amounts to sh*t posting and rumor circulating on facebook... I understand, you think trump cheated... what russia did amounts to sh*t posting and rumor circulating on facebook...

I heard what russia did amounts to sh*t posting and rumor circulating on facebook...Anxious
opelmanta1900 Offline
#115 Posted:
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#fakenews
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#116 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
You can't even define "meddles", so how can we answer.

In words you'll understand: It depends on what the definition of the word "is" is.


Must be fun never having to actually do any serious thinking....or research.

Must leave your brain free for "spontaneous prose" so you can say whatever you want ....what's better than that!?

You seem to know what the facts are a priori. You were born knowing the truth. If you're wrong, so what. It's funny. *probably a healthy attitude actually....makes note
Buncha grunts, poor stupid slobs, go googling chit... too funny! ..just make up your own chit!!

Well, I defined 'meddle' pretty ....pretty .....pretty well.
And I tore apart your weak argument while folding laundry, skydiving.
Made that up.

You probably missed it. Meddling well, hmm, the Department of Homeland Security said it had evidence of Russian activity in 21 states. Some about folks being told they were ineligible to vote and getting turned away at the polls, others sent from one polling place to another, ... they ...hey!
It's true. But it's dull, right. Yeah the truth is tedious ..facts bore..funny ...kinda

No funny punchline in the joke/actuality bout how they disseminating messages, some misleading and all manipulative that swayed Americans votes. And how some of the messages (meddling) were pretty disturbing. No wit these russians. Crass actually, but effective. It's the cold I think.
Here's one, probably completely ineffective bit of meddling: image: a cage with Hillary in prison was photoshopped, another, an American was persuaded to hold a sign proclaiming the wholly implausible message that Clinton not only supported sharia law but had said so out loud. Yeah, maybe a little funny. But who'd be dumb enough to buy it?
Oh wait...

Btw almost all of the Russian messaging targeted people they knew well from their hacked findings/research... really couldn't give a chit if you acknowledge this or not....cause, well,
you like fun, not facts. And I see nothing wrong with that. You juggle?

You're here to have fun especially if you think its at the expense of the lefties who are more seriously invested in their politics right now.

I'm not nearly as good as some of you guys are at mocking others but you give me a lot to work with and I think I'm getting better...

And the truth. The simple: did the Russians meddle? Dissected like a cadaver cause it could be perceived as a dumb question by the fact alone that someone on the left asked it. But when your countries intelligence agencies ask it? And concur? Still funny... Nothing at stake, good thing..

Your best answer to the question is meddling ok is 'what is meddling?'

You're lazy. But it works for you.

And besides, I hear you're a great dancer.
RMAN4443 Offline
#117 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
I used to meddle with a little girl named Natasha... Mellow


Freak...Anxious
victor809 Offline
#118 Posted:
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Calling what tail does "spontaneous prose" makes it sound way cooler than he actually is...

It's usually closer to "accidental sharting"....
DrafterX Offline
#119 Posted:
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There it is again..the belief that the American peoples are stupid and can't tell when they're being lied to... But I guess some were taught not to question... Obama made it pretty clear.. Mellow
delta1 Offline
#120 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Here...have 6.


https://spectator.org/obamas-meddling-in-foreign-elections-six-examples/


Not sure about that source, but found one that discusses a political scientist's data base that tracks US efforts to sway elections ...color me uninformed... it's happened a buncha times since the 50's-70's when we were doing that stuff fighting the spread of communism...and we seem to be the world leaders in this "art"

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-us-intervention-foreign-elections-20161213-story.html

A lot of those past efforts were out in the open, supporting a pro-US democratic candidate over a hostile authoritarian leader. Some were covert, especially against authoritarian govts with dictatorial regimes...all to gain pro-democracy, pro-US leadership in other countries...

Messing with Israel's elections by Obama was considered by many to be a bridge too far. Not sure when Netanyahu came to the US, ignored the President, and addressed Congress, including disparaging remarks about our POTUS. Was election meddling payback for that...or for Israel spying (Pollard) on US and stealing confidential info?

So, is meddling in another nation's elections no longer OK, even if it results in pro-democracy, pro-US regimes, and even if done openly?

How about what Trump did when he said UK PM May blew it with her Brexit Plan, and that a foreign minister, Johnson, would make a good PM?

Should we accept interference in our elections by outside nations? NK, Iran, China, Mexico?
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#121 Posted:
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It's always Trump this and Trump that.. Not talking
RMAN4443 Offline
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HuckFinn wrote:
Must be fun never having to actually do any serious thinking....or research.

Must leave your brain free for "spontaneous prose" so you can say whatever you want ....what's better than that!?

You seem to know what the facts are a priori. You were born knowing the truth. If you're wrong, so what. It's funny. *probably a healthy attitude actually....makes note
Buncha grunts, poor stupid slobs, go googling chit... too funny! ..just make up your own chit!!

Well, I defined 'meddle' pretty ....pretty .....pretty well.
And I tore apart your weak argument while folding laundry, skydiving.
Made that up.

You probably missed it. Meddling well, hmm, the Department of Homeland Security said it had evidence of Russian activity in 21 states. Some about folks being told they were ineligible to vote and getting turned away at the polls, others sent from one polling place to another, ... they ...hey!
It's true. But it's dull, right. Yeah the truth is tedious ..facts bore..funny ...kinda

No funny punchline in the joke/actuality bout how they disseminating messages, some misleading and all manipulative that swayed Americans votes. And how some of the messages (meddling) were pretty disturbing. No wit these russians. Crass actually, but effective. It's the cold I think.
Here's one, probably completely ineffective bit of meddling: image: a cage with Hillary in prison was photoshopped, another, an American was persuaded to hold a sign proclaiming the wholly implausible message that Clinton not only supported sharia law but had said so out loud. Yeah, maybe a little funny. But who'd be dumb enough to buy it?

Oh wait...

Btw almost all of the Russian messaging targeted people they knew well from their hacked findings/research... really couldn't give a chit if you acknowledge this or not....cause, well,
you like fun, not facts. And I see nothing wrong with that. You juggle?

You're here to have fun especially if you think its at the expense of the lefties who are more seriously invested in their politics right now.

I'm not nearly as good as some of you guys are at mocking others but you give me a lot to work with and I think I'm getting better...

And the truth. The simple: did the Russians meddle? Dissected like a cadaver cause it could be perceived as a dumb question by the fact that someone on the left asked. But when your countries intelligence agencies ask it? And concur? Still funny... Nothing at state, good thing..

Your best answer to the question is meddling ok is 'what is meddling?'

You're lazy. But it works for you.

And besides, I hear you're a great dancer.








That sounds sorta like Time posting a FAKE cover picture....it could also be disseminating messages, some misleading and all manipulative that swayed Americans votes. And how some of the messages (meddling) were pretty disturbing.
Here's one, probably completely ineffective bit of meddling: image: a cage with Hillary in prison was photoshopped, another, an American was persuaded to hold a sign proclaiming the wholly implausible message that Clinton not only supported sharia law but had said so out loud...

Or kathy griffen's photo shoot
https://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/05/30/kathy-griffin-beheads-donald-trump-shock-bloody-photo/


delta1 Offline
#123 Posted:
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yah...that dude talks way too much...who does he think he is...the ruler of the entire world?
DrafterX Offline
#124 Posted:
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Laugh
frankj1 Offline
#125 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Or, you can ask yourself what speaks louder: words or actions?

America's citizenry have become meek and soft and easily offended by words.
Don't let that become our Nation's MO.


curve ball outside, ball four.

sure, Americans get offended by words...words spoken at and about them. Time to get tough when that happens.

But the words Trump spoke and we are dissecting here now have absolutely nothing to do with words aimed at us at all.
These were very specific words about NATO, Russia/Putin, the trashing NATO members individually, then heading to a meeting with Rock Star Vlad.

These are words that we can discuss intent if you'd stop doing the Spicer Two-Step. These are not words that hurt our feelings, they are on topics about USA's friends and enemies, and speaking them is an action taken by the speaker unilaterally.

DrafterX Offline
#126 Posted:
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He was just kiddin... Mellow
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RMAN4443 wrote:
That sounds sorta like Time posting a FAKE cover picture....it could also be disseminating messages, some misleading and all manipulative that swayed Americans votes. And how some of the messages (meddling) were pretty disturbing.
Here's one, probably completely ineffective bit of meddling: image: a cage with Hillary in prison was photoshopped, another, an American was persuaded to hold a sign proclaiming the wholly implausible message that Clinton not only supported sharia law but had said so out loud...

Or kathy griffen's photo shoot
https://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/05/30/kathy-griffin-beheads-donald-trump-shock-bloody-photo/



Does it? You see no difference between a pic of Hillary in prison, something the Russians concocted to mock her, demean her and designed to coalesce a trump base and the one aimed at symbolizing the actual reality where kids were being separated from their parents?

Trump actually separated kids from their folks.
Griffin didn't behead Donald.

Only similarity I'll grant you is theyre both photoshopped images.
That's it.
DrafterX Offline
#128 Posted:
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Hildog should be in jail tho... Mellow
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#129 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Hildog should be in jail tho... Mellow

Trump is a lot closer to a jail cell than she is
DrafterX Offline
#130 Posted:
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How so..?? Did he share classified info on a private server then destroy it after Congress demanded it..?? Huh
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DrafterX wrote:
How so..?? Did he share classified info on a private server then destroy it after Congress demanded it..?? Huh

Much worse. Size 46 btw....Hillary, a little bigger
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#132 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:
Does it? You see no difference between a pic of Hillary in prison, something the Russians concocted to mock her, demean her and designed to coalesce a trump base and the one aimed at symbolizing the actual reality where kids were being separated from their parents?

Trump actually separated kids from their folks.
Griffin didn't behead Donald.

Only similarity I'll grant you is theyre both photoshopped images.
That's it.



well, it is,,,,disseminating messages, some misleading and all manipulative that is trying to sway Americans votes. And how some of the messages (meddling) were pretty disturbing.
And this probably completely ineffective bit of meddling: image: a cage with Hillary in prison was photoshopped, another, an American was persuaded to hold a sign proclaiming the wholly implausible message that Clinton not only supported sharia law but had said so out loud...
I personally, never believed they had Hildog in a cage, though she probably should be, nor did I believe she supported Sharia Law, but I really don't know for sure what she does in her spare time... to be fair, I had someone explain these concepts to me before I formed my opinion....



and FUCH!!!! Kathy what's her name....d'oh!
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Though truth be told...I see a big difference in the pics

......just lost a lot of respect for myself.......
delta1 Offline
#134 Posted:
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Here's a perfect example of the power of propaganda and the gullibillity of average citizens...


A female GOP supporter during the 2008 Presidential campaign who says "Obama is an Arab" when asking John McCain a question...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRq6Y4NmB6U


BTW: I am not insinuating that any of youse are average citizens...
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#135 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:



I just want to make sure the facts are correct before we begin a discussion.

thank you.


Oh? In that case I'll omit the facts.
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tailgater wrote:
Ukraine.
Not THE Ukraine.




“Ukraine is a country,” says William Taylor, who served as the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine from 2006 to 2009. “The Ukraine is the way the Russians referred to that part of the country during Soviet times … Now that it is a country, a nation, and a recognized state, it is just Ukraine. And it is incorrect to refer to the Ukraine, even though a lot of people do it.”

But...but... Russia wants it back...
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#137 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
I am bewildered that you guys give the Russians so much credit and assume the American people are idiots that are so easily influenced... There's no doubt in my mind anyone except Hillary & Bernie woulds beat Trump.. Mellow



opelmanta1900 wrote:
bernie woulda won... 100%...

as for the rest, college kids tend to be liberal more often than not... and college kids are by far the most easily influenced idiots on the face of the earth...




A poll from December 2017 shows that 51% of GOP STILL believed Obama was born in Kenya...proof of the power of propaganda and alternative facts...poll doesn't say how many are college kids...

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-birther-obama-poll-republicans-kenya-744195
tailgater Offline
#138 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Calling what tail does "spontaneous prose" makes it sound way cooler than he actually is...

It's usually closer to "accidental sharting"....


I'd agree.
But then you'd be turned on.

tailgater Offline
#139 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:
“Ukraine is a country,” says William Taylor, who served as the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine from 2006 to 2009. “The Ukraine is the way the Russians referred to that part of the country during Soviet times … Now that it is a country, a nation, and a recognized state, it is just Ukraine. And it is incorrect to refer to the Ukraine, even though a lot of people do it.”

But...but... Russia wants it back...


A simple "thank you" would suffice.

I could have ignored it and left you sounding a fool.

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#140 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
curve ball outside, ball four.

sure, Americans get offended by words...words spoken at and about them. Time to get tough when that happens.

But the words Trump spoke and we are dissecting here now have absolutely nothing to do with words aimed at us at all.
These were very specific words about NATO, Russia/Putin, the trashing NATO members individually, then heading to a meeting with Rock Star Vlad.

These are words that we can discuss intent if you'd stop doing the Spicer Two-Step. These are not words that hurt our feelings, they are on topics about USA's friends and enemies, and speaking them is an action taken by the speaker unilaterally.



But the words were true.
You forget that. On purpose or out of ignorance doesn't matter.

Trump is a pig. He is not "presidential" in his demeanor. He babbles and tweets exaggerated "facts".
But he also speaks the truth in a manner that we're not fully comfortable with.

Sometimes I wish he wouldn't do it.

And then something odd happens.
North Korea agrees to come to the table.
Germany and NATO nations agree to work towards their obligations.

It's not bias to state that he was telling the truth: Germany DID ignore their debt. NATO WAS a joke and ineffective.

You don't like it?
Well, that's the thing about truth: you don't get to pick and choose. And sometimes it can't be said so everyone thinks of sunshine and jellybeans.

Spicer two-step? Really?
You say it's not about feelings, but your response is rife with sentimentalism.

If our NATO brethren are telling the truth, then Trump just righted the ship.

You should be thankful.
tailgater Offline
#141 Posted:
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Short version:
Trump said offensive things but got the job done.

tailgater Offline
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HuckFinn wrote:
Does it? You see no difference between a pic of Hillary in prison, something the Russians concocted to mock her, demean her and designed to coalesce a trump base and the one aimed at symbolizing the actual reality where kids were being separated from their parents?

Trump actually separated kids from their folks.
Griffin didn't behead Donald.

Only similarity I'll grant you is theyre both photoshopped images.
That's it.


Actually, President Donald Trump simply made sure that PREVIOUSLY EXISTING laws were followed and not ignored.

He then made the ONLY executive order EVER that expressly forbade the separation of young children from parents.

But for that, you claim he "actually" separated them.

You're either stupid. Or a liar.

I'll let you choose.

Me? I'm just happy Hillary is behind bars. That sharia-law-following wench.





DrafterX Offline
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Unfortunately she is not... She's been allowed to create 'The Resistance' which has no rules other than kill Trump supporters.. Mellow
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#144 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
But the words were true.
You forget that. On purpose or out of ignorance doesn't matter.

Trump is a pig. He is not "presidential" in his demeanor. He babbles and tweets exaggerated "facts".
But he also speaks the truth in a manner that we're not fully comfortable with.

Sometimes I wish he wouldn't do it.

And then something odd happens.
North Korea agrees to come to the table.
Germany and NATO nations agree to work towards their obligations.

It's not bias to state that he was telling the truth: Germany DID ignore their debt. NATO WAS a joke and ineffective.

You don't like it?
Well, that's the thing about truth: you don't get to pick and choose. And sometimes it can't be said so everyone thinks of sunshine and jellybeans.

Spicer two-step? Really?
You say it's not about feelings, but your response is rife with sentimentalism.

If our NATO brethren are telling the truth, then Trump just righted the ship.

You should be thankful.

so you agree wif Trump that US policy for a brighter future should be to move away from our allies and toward Russia, NK, Phillipines?
Cuz I do not, whether the words are annoying or not.
HuckFinn Offline
#145 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Actually, President Donald Trump simply made sure that PREVIOUSLY EXISTING laws were followed and not ignored.

He then made the ONLY executive order EVER that expressly forbade the separation of young children from parents.

But for that, you claim he "actually" separated them.

You're either stupid. Or a liar.

I'll let you choose.

Me? I'm just happy Hillary is behind bars. That sharia-law-following wench.






You actually believe your own Trump-apologist version/crap. Creepy.

Trump inhumanely enforced a law, that's right, no president did it before because of the obvious and horrible repercussions, so he gave the go-ahead that separated families with the expressed intention of making examples out of them.

Hes pretty clear about this NOW, he did it to send a message. I half wonder if the chaos still surrounding their being reunited wasnt premeditated.
But pretty sure Trump doesnt premeditate stuff...so

Next you think he deserves points for an executive order that bans it in the future? Hm, thats like saying stab someone, put a bandage on it and you've actually done a very good deed.
These kids were held for ransom til Donny got what he wanted. He slept well I'm sure..

Guy's a pos.

Fluck Trump. I'm not okay with kids being seriously traumatized. Unless their mine..

I'm sure you think the trade off was a good one.
You've sort of described him already as a clown with a divining rod.

To me, this separating was ruthless. Unacceptable. Shameful. Embarrassing for the US.
You I could care less about..

This tactic of actual separation, for thousands of people? could only be implemented by a heartless and simple-minded man.

So, let's see, wouldn't your complicity make you either a ...kidnapper ...or a sadist...
or maybe a cultist?

....certainly not a good Christian, right?
DrafterX Offline
#146 Posted:
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But it was fine when Obama did it right..?? Think
Ewok126 Offline
#147 Posted:
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What did russian meddling accomplish?


Got Cbid's panties in a knot. That is about the only thing in my life that it affected.
Speyside Offline
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Good to know, you are more concerned about what Obama did than the welfare of the children.
HuckFinn Offline
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tailgater wrote:
So if I intended to go fast, but my POS car could only muster 55mph, should I be arrested?

Or if I wanted to rape you but suffered from premature ejaculation, would you find me guilty?

Asking for a friend.



Hysterical.

You have friends.

Funny.
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#150 Posted:
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I'm still trying to understand how "separating" children from parents of illegal immigrants is so horribly wrong, and why those same parents bear no responsibility for committing a crime with their children in tow.

In CA there's a law for that... it's 273A(A) child endangerment. Guess what happens when the parents are arrested?

Yup. They're separated from their children.
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