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RMAN4443 Offline
#151 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:
You actually believe your own Trump-apologist version/crap. Creepy.

Trump inhumanely enforced a law, that's right, no president did it before because of the obvious and horrible repercussions, so he gave the go-ahead that separated families with the expressed intention of making examples out of them.

Hes pretty clear about this NOW, he did it to send a message. I half wonder if the chaos still surrounding their being reunited wasnt premeditated.
But pretty sure Trump doesnt premeditate stuff...so

Next you think he deserves points for an executive order that bans it in the future? Hm, thats like saying stab someone, put a bandage on it and you've actually done a very good deed.
These kids were held for ransom til Donny got what he wanted. He slept well I'm sure..

Guy's a pos.

Fluck Trump. I'm not okay with kids being seriously traumatized. Unless their mine..

I'm sure you think the trade off was a good one.
You've sort of described him already as a clown with a divining rod.

To me, this separating was ruthless. Unacceptable. Shameful. Embarrassing for the US.
You I could care less about..

This tactic of actual separation, for thousands of people? could only be implemented by a heartless and simple-minded man.

So, let's see, wouldn't your complicity make you either a ...kidnapper ...or a sadist...
or maybe a cultist?

....certainly not a good Christian, right?


good Christian?......Anxious

you do know there are some BOTL here that won't care about that designation...Anxious

and it won't make them bad Christans...Not talking
HuckFinn Offline
#152 Posted:
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If someone robs a bank or committs some crime out of malice or greed, they should be severely punished.

If a crackhead neglects their child they should be separated.

If someone steals a loaf of bread to feed a hungry family, I'm giving them a pass.

Similarly if someone sneaks in to the states to escape serious persecution from gangs or governments and simply following a maternal/paternal instinct, I'm giving them a bit of a pass too.
They're not trying to exploit us, they're desperate parents usually trying to improve their family's lot.

HuckFinn Offline
#153 Posted:
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RMAN4443 wrote:
good Christian?......Anxious

you do know there are some BOTL here that won't care about that designation...Anxious

and it won't make them bad Christans...Not talking

OK. Ask yourself then, what would Jesus say.

I'm pretty sure he'd be disgusted with Trump's zero tolerance policy.

Then again, what was it Nietzsche said? Oh yeah, “The Last Christian died on the Cross"
MACS Offline
#154 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:
If someone robs a bank or committs some crime out of malice or greed, they should be severely punished.

If a crackhead neglects their child they should be separated.

If someone steals a loaf of bread to feed a hungry family, I'm giving them a pass.

Similarly if someone sneaks in to the states to escape serious persecution from gangs or governments and simply following a maternal/paternal instinct, I'm giving them a bit of a pass too.
They're not trying to exploit us, they're desperate parents usually trying to improve their family's lot.



I'm so happy you know the hearts and minds of illegal immigrants. The fact is, some of them ARE trying to exploit us. You want to decide who is and who isn't?

What's wrong with filling out an application and following the proper legal channels?

So if someone steals from you for food money he gets a pass? Good to know.
RMAN4443 Offline
#155 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:
If someone robs a bank or committs some crime out of malice or greed, they should be severely punished.

If a crackhead neglects their child they should be separated.

If someone steals a loaf of bread to feed a hungry family, I'm giving them a pass.

Similarly if someone sneaks in to the states to escape serious persecution from gangs or governments and simply following a maternal/paternal instinct, I'm giving them a bit of a pass too.
They're not trying to exploit us, they're desperate parents usually trying to improve their family's lot.


So, if I get busted driving drunk and causing a fatal accident, but I'm taking an injured family member to the hospital, I'm not really driving drunk....it's just my paternal instinct-the act of a desperate parent trying to improve my injured family member's lot?? Think
HuckFinn Offline
#156 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
I'm so happy you know the hearts and minds of illegal immigrants. The fact is, some of them ARE trying to exploit us. You want to decide who is and who isn't?

What's wrong with filling out an application and following the proper legal channels?

So if someone steals from you for food money he gets a pass? Good to know.

1. Glad you're happy

2. Processing these hardened criminals is what our taxes are for.
Reject the con artists, show some compassion to those that are verifiable in danger.

3. Why not fill out paperwork? Get in line? Because no “line” is available for the vast majority of unauthorized immigrants.
Immigration to the United States on a temporary or permanent basis is generally limited to three different routes: employment, family reunification, or humanitarian protection. While the U.S. immigration system is generous, each of these possibilities is highly regulated and subject to numerical limitations and eligibility requirements. Most unauthorized immigrants do not have the necessary family or employment relationships and often cannot access humanitarian protection, such as refugee or asylum status. But they're hungry. And willing to work hard.
HuckFinn Offline
#157 Posted:
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RMAN4443 wrote:
So, if I get busted driving drunk and causing a fatal accident, but I'm taking an injured family member to the hospital, I'm not really driving drunk....it's just my paternal instinct-the act of a desperate parent trying to improve my injured family member's lot?? Think

Really? No one should drive drunk. Period. Cept me of course. I'm practiced.

The mitigating circumstances in your hypothetical, parental instinct, is insufficient.

But is sneaking in to the US comparable to killing someone even accidentally?

No.

In case you don't see how one isn't equivalent to the other...I guess that's gonna have to stay your problem
RMAN4443 Offline
#158 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:
1. Glad you're happy

2. Processing these hardened criminals is what our taxes are for.
Reject the con artists, show some compassion to those that are verifiable in danger.

3. Why not fill out paperwork? Get in line? Because no “line” is available for the vast majority of unauthorized immigrants.
Immigration to the United States on a temporary or permanent basis is generally limited to three different routes: employment, family reunification, or humanitarian protection. While the U.S. immigration system is generous, each of these possibilities is highly regulated and subject to numerical limitations and eligibility requirements. Most unauthorized immigrants do not have the necessary family or employment relationships and often cannot access humanitarian protection, such as refugee or asylum status. But they're hungry. And willing to work hard.


You could get on a list and agree to take 30-40 of them into your home....most of them are honest and won't rob you blind, and they are willing to work hard.....Anxious
HuckFinn Offline
#159 Posted:
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RMAN4443 wrote:
You could get on a list and agree to take 30-40 of them into your home....most of them are honest and won't rob you blind, and they are willing to work hard.....Anxious

How hard?
RMAN4443 Offline
#160 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:
Really? No one should drive drunk. Period. Cept me of course. I'm practiced.

The mitigating circumstances in your hypothetical, parental instinct, is insufficient.

But is sneaking in to the US comparable to killing someone even accidentally?

No. but DUI is still against the law...substitute killing someone in my example,for, sideswiping a telephone pole...no additional injuries

In case you don't see how one isn't equivalent to the other...I guess that's gonna have to stay your problem



a law is a law, without laws we have ANARCHY....if I ever have a problem with "THE MAN", I'm going to have them contact you so you can let them know if it was ok to violate the "LAWS HUCK FINN WANT'S ENFORCED Du JOUR", because I can't really keep up with the laws you want enforced, and the ones that don't matter to you today...
RMAN4443 Offline
#161 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:
How hard?

I wouldn't really know....this was one of your facts included with your recent batch of #fakenews
HuckFinn Offline
#162 Posted:
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RMAN4443 wrote:
a law is a law, without laws we have ANARCHY....if I ever have a problem with "THE MAN", I'm going to have them contact you so you can let them know if it was ok to violate the "LAWS HUCK FINN WANT'S ENFORCED Du JOUR", because I can't really keep up with the laws you want enforced, and the ones that don't matter to you today...

My dad owned a grocery store in a poor neighborhood. I watched him hand tv guides to people who were secretly copying out of it. I watched him allow some to steal food.

I was proud of him.

"In truth, laws are always useful to those with possessions and harmful to those who have nothing; from which it follows that the social state is advantageous to men only when all possess something and none has too much.”
― Jean-Jacques Rousseau, The Social Contract

MACS Offline
#163 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:
1. Glad you're happy

2. Processing these hardened criminals is what our taxes are for.
Reject the con artists, show some compassion to those that are verifiable in danger.

3. Why not fill out paperwork? Get in line? Because no “line” is available for the vast majority of unauthorized immigrants.
Immigration to the United States on a temporary or permanent basis is generally limited to three different routes: employment, family reunification, or humanitarian protection. While the U.S. immigration system is generous, each of these possibilities is highly regulated and subject to numerical limitations and eligibility requirements. Most unauthorized immigrants do not have the necessary family or employment relationships and often cannot access humanitarian protection, such as refugee or asylum status. But they're hungry. And willing to work hard.


EXACTLY! These are our laws. We put them in place for a reason. Respect it, or get what you get.

I feel for them, but their plight is not our problem. The left doesn't want us to play "world police" but they want to take in every frickin' stray.

At whose expense? The taxpayer.
RMAN4443 Offline
#164 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:
My dad owned a grocery store in a poor neighborhood. I watched him hand tv guides to people who were secretly copying out of it. I watched him allow some to steal food.

I was proud of him.

"In truth, laws are always useful to those with possessions and harmful to those who have nothing; from which it follows that the social state is advantageous to men only when all possess something and none has too much.”
― Jean-Jacques Rousseau, The Social Contract


Isn't that Russia's motto?

shouldn't you really be taking your frustrations out on Hildog, after what she did to your guy, Bernie???
delta1 Offline
#165 Posted:
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Let's get back on the topic: Russian meddling and its consequences...

12 high-ranking Russian intel agents have been indicted by the Special Prosecutor, Mueller, for criminal activities during the 2016 elections. Any possibility Trump demands that Putin/Russia hands them over for extradition/prosecution when they meet in a few days? Maybe he can bring them back on Air Force One...

Worse news about those indictments: among the facts and evidence that supports the criminal charges is an assertion that these Russian suspects received help from at least one unnamed American. Several legal experts who have been following the Mueller probe and reviewed the indictment believe this unnamed American is Trump friend/advisor/confidant Roger Stone...


Worst of all for Trump: the timeline in the charging docs show the criminal activities by these Russian agents intensified on the night after Trump's famous campaign rally, where he said, "Russia, if you're listening, release the Hillary emails"...Within hours after Trump uttered those words, the Russians got busy...

ruh roh...
HuckFinn Offline
#166 Posted:
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RMAN4443 wrote:
a law is a law, without laws we have ANARCHY....if I ever have a problem with "THE MAN", I'm going to have them contact you so you can let them know if it was ok to violate the "LAWS HUCK FINN WANT'S ENFORCED Du JOUR", because I can't really keep up with the laws you want enforced, and the ones that don't matter to you today...

Just tell them em mine's the house with the 40 illegals

HuckFinn Offline
#167 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
Let's get back on the topic: Russian meddling and its consequences...

12 high-ranking Russian intel agents have been indicted by the Special Prosecutor, Mueller, for criminal activities during the 2016 elections. Any possibility Trump demands that Putin/Russia hands them over for extradition/prosecution when they meet in a few days? Maybe he can bring them back on Air Force One...

Worse news about those indictments: among the facts and evidence that supports the criminal charges is an assertion that these Russian suspects received help from at least one unnamed American. Several legal experts who have been following the Mueller probe and reviewed the indictment believe this unnamed American is Trump friend/advisor/confidant Roger Stone...


Worst of all for Trump: the timeline in the charging docs show the criminal activities by these Russian agents intensified on the night after Trump's famous campaign rally, where he said, "Russia, if you're listening, release the Hillary emails"...Within hours after Trump uttered those words, the Russians got busy...

ruh roh...

He was kidding..I'm told
MACS Offline
#168 Posted:
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So since Hillary had an unauthorized server, and received sensitive material on an unauthorized account... and subsequently got hacked by russian spies... who got those e-mails...

It's TRUMP's fault for telling them to release them and expose her?

Wow.
delta1 Offline
#169 Posted:
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wrong server, MACS. The indictment concerns the DNC server...not the SOS server...
RMAN4443 Offline
#170 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:
Just tell them em mine's the house with the 40 illegals


….but that would be another lie in your endless barrage of #fakenews...Liar Liar Liar
HuckFinn Offline
#171 Posted:
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RMAN4443 wrote:
….but that would be another lie in your endless barrage of #fakenews...Liar Liar Liar

Well, considering the source...thanks!
MACS Offline
#172 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
wrong server, MACS. The indictment concerns the DNC server...not the SOS server...


Ahhh, "I see", said the blind man to the deaf man... on the telephone.

I feel as confused as a liberal on election night. Angel
RMAN4443 Offline
#173 Posted:
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I see said the blindman as he picked up his hammer and saw....Beer
usafvet509 Offline
#174 Posted:
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The only Russian "meddling" I give a chit about is the new US made Kalashnikov's.... I'm gonna have to get my name down for a 103
DrafterX Offline
#175 Posted:
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I want one... Mellow
Speyside Offline
#176 Posted:
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So sounds like many of you are good with Russia's cyber war with us. Read the indictment, there is some serious events that occurred.
DrafterX Offline
#177 Posted:
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Apparently Obama was cool with it.. even ordered a stand-down... Mellow
HuckFinn Offline
#178 Posted:
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Deflection and excuses is all I hear from trump supporters.

Obama and Hillary....names from the past..

In the meantime? To hell with being violated by Russia.

Defend Trump. Not America. So what, we were attacked. Deny foreign election interference...

Weird. The very definition of psychosis: impaired relationship with reality.

Obama did this and Hillary that...
it's like claiming the card game is rigged while someone's stealing all your chips

When did support of party take precedence over love of country.

We just lost a virtual war with our worst enemy and worse, our potus was complicent and...

Hillary....Obama...

Ffucking pathetic

Ffucking Unpatriotic!!

Ffucking hopeless...


DrafterX Offline
#179 Posted:
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Well, wasn't Obama in charge when all this was going down..??Huh

But it's Trump's fault right.... Think
HuckFinn Offline
#180 Posted:
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Obama decided, wrongly with hindsight, that it would look partisan if he released the info right before the election. He regrets it. Do you?
DrafterX Offline
#181 Posted:
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He thought Hillary would win too... Mellow
HuckFinn Offline
#182 Posted:
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Not after Comey revived the inquiry into her use of a private email server.

Polls showed her lead evaporating...and still, he did what he felt at the time was the ethical thing: stay neutral and silent.
HuckFinn Offline
#183 Posted:
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He should have spilled the beans.

Even if it looked like cheating.

Everybody seems to be okay with cheating nowadays, right?
DrafterX Offline
#184 Posted:
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No... Is that what CNN told you..?? Huh
DrafterX Offline
#185 Posted:
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Why don't you hold Obama responsible..?? Huh
tailgater Offline
#186 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
so you agree wif Trump that US policy for a brighter future should be to move away from our allies and toward Russia, NK, Phillipines?
Cuz I do not, whether the words are annoying or not.


If he said that we should "move away", I did not hear it.
If you feel that was his intent, I'd like to know why.

I can't say this enough: I cringe when the Donald speaks.
But his tough boardroom bulldog approach has been successful despite what the media portrays.

I hate when Americans dwell on how we're perceived.
We worry too much when the truth is we are the tail that wags the dog.
We gladly give the MOST time and time again. Yet we get ridiculed because people don't like our demeanor.
Too bad.

Nobody is saying that Germany should give MORE to NATO than the USA.
But as the strongest economy in Europe, they should at least give the bare minimum.

And before Trumps bluster filled diatribe, they did NOT.



tailgater Offline
#187 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:
You actually believe your own Trump-apologist version/crap. Creepy.

Trump inhumanely enforced a law, that's right, no president did it before because of the obvious and horrible repercussions, so he gave the go-ahead that separated families with the expressed intention of making examples out of them.

Hes pretty clear about this NOW, he did it to send a message. I half wonder if the chaos still surrounding their being reunited wasnt premeditated.
But pretty sure Trump doesnt premeditate stuff...so

Next you think he deserves points for an executive order that bans it in the future? Hm, thats like saying stab someone, put a bandage on it and you've actually done a very good deed.
These kids were held for ransom til Donny got what he wanted. He slept well I'm sure..

Guy's a pos.

Fluck Trump. I'm not okay with kids being seriously traumatized. Unless their mine..

I'm sure you think the trade off was a good one.
You've sort of described him already as a clown with a divining rod.

To me, this separating was ruthless. Unacceptable. Shameful. Embarrassing for the US.
You I could care less about..

This tactic of actual separation, for thousands of people? could only be implemented by a heartless and simple-minded man.

So, let's see, wouldn't your complicity make you either a ...kidnapper ...or a sadist...
or maybe a cultist?

....certainly not a good Christian, right?



I offered you an out with being simply a liar.
I guess you chose Stupid.

At least you're consistent.

tailgater Offline
#188 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:
Hysterical.

You have friends.

Funny.


Wrong.
I didn't pluralize it.


tailgater Offline
#189 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
I'm still trying to understand how "separating" children from parents of illegal immigrants is so horribly wrong, and why those same parents bear no responsibility for committing a crime with their children in tow.

In CA there's a law for that... it's 273A(A) child endangerment. Guess what happens when the parents are arrested?

Yup. They're separated from their children.


C'mon man.
You know why.

Because...Trump.


Classic TDS to the core.

It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.

tailgater Offline
#190 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:
If someone robs a bank or committs some crime out of malice or greed, they should be severely punished.

If a crackhead neglects their child they should be separated.

If someone steals a loaf of bread to feed a hungry family, I'm giving them a pass.

Similarly if someone sneaks in to the states to escape serious persecution from gangs or governments and simply following a maternal/paternal instinct, I'm giving them a bit of a pass too.
They're not trying to exploit us, they're desperate parents usually trying to improve their family's lot.



So the laws should be levied according to your morality.

Good to know.


tailgater Offline
#191 Posted:
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MACS wrote:


So if someone steals from you for food money he gets a pass? Good to know.


And I'm hungry.

Where's Huck?


tailgater Offline
#192 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:
My dad owned a grocery store in a poor neighborhood. I watched him hand tv guides to people who were secretly copying out of it.





Probably last week's TV guide.

But it's the thought that counts.

HuckFinn Offline
#193 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Probably last week's TV guide.

But it's the thought that counts.


Didn't know your dad owned a grocery store too!

Good deli counter?
HuckFinn Offline
#194 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
I offered you an out with being simply a liar.
I guess you chose Stupid.

At least you're consistent.



Ya know, you'd have nothing to say if not for the word "stupid"

I mean, it's OK. Cons have many favorite simple 'stupid' words that they constantly regurgitate.
But they can, as you usually do, spell them correctly. There is that.

Pretty stupid.

So?

Kidnapper?

Sadist?

Cultist?

Your turn to pick...ahh, it's stupid. Nm.
HuckFinn Offline
#195 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
So the laws should be levied according to your morality.

Good to know.



Who doesn't bend rules? Break laws? Speed? Connect to unsecured Wi-Fi? Pee outside. Jay walk. Play poker.

All acts that break the law..appalling I agree..

We decide where the law stops applying to us. "Stupid", right?

I'm not claiming moral high ground. But you knew that. Youre just a natural ddick, i know.

If i had no recourse, I'd sneak in to the neighboring country to feed my kids.

Fluuck their laws.

Morality? Compassion is at its very root imo.
Allowing my kids to starve or be murdered in the country I'm escaping? That's immoral.
DrafterX Offline
#196 Posted:
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You'd be a criminal.. that simple.. Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#197 Posted:
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And damn lucky you weren't shot... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
#198 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Why don't you hold Obama responsible..?? Huh



That would shatter Lefty's mind and leave them screaming, grabbing crayons, service dogs and wearing their pu$$y hats out into the streets again!

Lefty got *****ued! Their man won and they STILL can't wrap their heads around it.
DrafterX Offline
#199 Posted:
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Look, believe it or not I do have some sympathy... But there's illegals crossing every hour with 40 lbs of meth or pot on their backs... We have to have some sort of vetting... Mellow
HuckFinn Offline
#200 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Look, believe it or not I do have some sympathy... But there's illegals crossing every hour with 40 lbs of meth or pot on their backs... We have to have some sort of vetting... Mellow

I dunno. Is that true? Every hour? With drugs? Not okay. I agree.
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