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DrafterX Offline
#201 Posted: Sat, Jul 14 2018, 8:35 PM EST
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That's what I heard.. Mellow
RMAN4443 Offline
#202 Posted: Sat, Jul 14 2018, 8:45 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Look, believe it or not I do have some sympathy... But there's illegals crossing every hour with 40 lbs of meth or pot on their backs... We have to have some sort of vetting... Mellow

Yeah, but they're only doing it out of deep maternal/paternal instincts....nope, still sounds like a pile of ka-ka to me Not talking
MACS Offline
#203 Posted: Sat, Jul 14 2018, 10:03 PM EST
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Huck - I triple dog dare you to sneak into Mexico and see what happens. You'll be fined, extorted, and possibly imprisoned and beaten. If you're idiot enough to bring your kids, separation will be the least of your worries.

I fish some of their Islands off Rosarito every weekend... know what I have to do? Fill out a manifest with my name, the name of my boat, the names of all passengers, dates of birth, passport numbers, etc... then I have to pay a "temporary visa fee" of damn near $30 per person. Then e-mail it to the jagoff Mexican gov't... every... time.

Know what happens if I get stopped by the Mexican Navy and don't have the proper documentation?

Me neither... because I follow their f***ing laws.
DrafterX Offline
#204 Posted: Sat, Jul 14 2018, 10:59 PM EST
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They shoot you.... or so I heard... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#205 Posted: Sat, Jul 14 2018, 11:06 PM EST
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so...we should be like Mexico?
frankj1 Offline
#206 Posted: Sat, Jul 14 2018, 11:07 PM EST
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prolly worse if they make you live there.
DrafterX Offline
#207 Posted: Sat, Jul 14 2018, 11:08 PM EST
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I do like margaritas on da rocks... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#208 Posted: Sat, Jul 14 2018, 11:10 PM EST
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it can't all be bad...
MACS Offline
#209 Posted: Sat, Jul 14 2018, 11:12 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
so...we should be like Mexico?


I don't like that retort.

No, we obviously shouldn't be like Mexico. But neither should we allow our neighbors to park on our grass. If your neighbor always parked in your yard, and you did nothing... but he vandalized your car if you parked in his yard, how long would you put up with that sh*t?
DrafterX Offline
#210 Posted: Sat, Jul 14 2018, 11:21 PM EST
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I'd pop a cap... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#211 Posted: Sat, Jul 14 2018, 11:22 PM EST
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Ram has a bat...ram27bat
RMAN4443 Offline
#212 Posted: Sun, Jul 15 2018, 12:07 AM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
My dad owned a grocery store in a poor neighborhood. I watched him hand tv guides to people who were secretly copying out of it. I watched him allow some to steal food.

I was proud of him.

"In truth, laws are always useful to those with possessions and harmful to those who have nothing; from which it follows that the social state is advantageous to men only when all possess something and none has too much.โ€
โ€• Jean-Jacques Rousseau, The Social Contract


Tv guides??? did he give them TV Guides to soothe their maternal/paternal instincts to let their kids know when favorite shows were on?...

Sounds like a first world problem...
Burner02 Offline
#213 Posted: Sun, Jul 15 2018, 6:21 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
wrong server, MACS. The indictment concerns the DNC server...not the SOS server...




Al, is that the same server that the DNC has and continues to refuse to turn over to the FBI.


Makes one with an open mind wonder what the DNC is hiding?


Think
gummy jones Offline
#214 Posted: Sun, Jul 15 2018, 7:28 AM EST
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Enough of that stuff macs

Can we get back to focusing on how villainous America is and that most of our laws have racism at heart rather than safety, prosperity, etc.
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#215 Posted: Sun, Jul 15 2018, 7:30 AM EST
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Burner- if I was the dnc I wouldn't turn my server over without a valid court order either.

Even the government wants limited government but unfortunately only when it suits them.
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#216 Posted: Sun, Jul 15 2018, 8:01 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
I don't like that retort.

No, we obviously shouldn't be like Mexico. But neither should we allow our neighbors to park on our grass. If your neighbor always parked in your yard, and you did nothing... but he vandalized your car if you parked in his yard, how long would you put up with that sh*t?

illegal entry should not be OK, we agree.

I was being funny (guess not) about how to respond to it, sort of how I feel when I read admiring comments about the way Iran and others handle criminals...cuz I think we are better than any of 'em.
frankj1 Offline
#217 Posted: Sun, Jul 15 2018, 8:04 AM EST
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gummy jones wrote:
Enough of that stuff macs

Can we get back to focusing on how villainous America is and that most of our laws have racism at heart rather than safety, prosperity, etc.

yeah, because characterizing opposing views that way assures widening the gap.
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#218 Posted: Sun, Jul 15 2018, 9:58 AM EST
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gummy jones wrote:
Burner- if I was the dnc I wouldn't turn my server over without a valid court order either.

Even the government wants limited government but unfortunately only when it suits them.



I hear you..........but why hamper an investigation when you are the victim unless you have something to hide?
DrafterX Offline
#219 Posted: Sun, Jul 15 2018, 10:02 AM EST
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They could just wipe it with a rag or somethin... Mellow
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#220 Posted: Sun, Jul 15 2018, 10:08 AM EST
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Burner02 wrote:
I hear you..........but why hamper an investigation when you are the victim unless you have something to hide?




Ask Trump that same question.
DrafterX Offline
#221 Posted: Sun, Jul 15 2018, 10:15 AM EST
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Trump is being investigated..?? Huh
HuckFinn Offline
#222 Posted: Sun, Jul 15 2018, 10:35 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Trump is being investigated..?? Huh

I'm kidding
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#223 Posted: Sun, Jul 15 2018, 11:40 AM EST
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gummy jones wrote:
Enough of that stuff macs

Can we get back to focusing on how villainous America is and that most of our laws have racism at heart rather than safety, prosperity, etc.

LMFAO!!! Now that is funny! Stupidest thing I've heard all weekend!
Don't like the conversation so drop the race card. Sounds like someone from Vivki's team.
Brick wall
DrafterX Offline
#224 Posted: Sun, Jul 15 2018, 11:58 AM EST
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Pretty sure he was just kiddin... Mellow
Speyside Offline
#225 Posted: Sun, Jul 15 2018, 11:58 AM EST
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Carl, nice to hear from you. I haven't seen a post from you in a while.
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#226 Posted: Sun, Jul 15 2018, 12:38 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Huck - I triple dog dare you to sneak into Mexico and see what happens. You'll be fined, extorted, and possibly imprisoned and beaten. If you're idiot enough to bring your kids, separation will be the least of your worries.

I fish some of their Islands off Rosarito every weekend... know what I have to do? Fill out a manifest with my name, the name of my boat, the names of all passengers, dates of birth, passport numbers, etc... then I have to pay a "temporary visa fee" of damn near $30 per person. Then e-mail it to the jagoff Mexican gov't... every... time.

Know what happens if I get stopped by the Mexican Navy and don't have the proper documentation?

Me neither... because I follow their f***ing laws.

Red tape and payola. Gotcha. Hope its worth it.
I'll bet though that Mexican fishing vessels have to get similar clearance from us.ย ย 

And aren't Illegal activities a whole other beast? Like undocumented immigration?
Pretty sure if what you have to go through, annoying as it is, was all an immigrant had to go through to get processed, he'd be very happy. You're apple and orangeing I think.

Smugglers are dealt with harshly by all governments. And should be. Fluck em I have to work for a living.

But when tens of thousands try crossing (and about 1000 drown every 6 months) the Mediterranean to get to Italy,ย  or 300 die every year (10,000 dead since 94)ย  trying to cross from Mexico (illegally) in to the US, I have to ask 'wtf would make people, families, risk all, life and limb, that way?'.

Desperation, right? Not bassย and mackerel.

Immigration and Refugeeism, legal and otherwise is epidemic. It's a flucked up global reality. Better than from a couple of years ago from what I've read but still nuts.
It's overwhelmingย  Europe and Africa and us. Overย 20 million refugees are being hosted in just the Middle East, Africa and South Asia.ย Was a big reason for trumps getting elected, Brexit, the recent bizarre Italian election results... a whole long list of things....

I get your point. Mexico isn't the US. But who is?ย 

I don't have the solution, but stupid fox-like soundbites like 'lefties want open borders' aren't helping anyone. Left does it too but to me its just childish bs. Net effect, more division.

A big part of why it's such a hot topic now is Trump has changed the game. It's much harder to apply now.ย So more illegal attempts...

Personally, I suspect/hope that in time, what's practical and humane and financially reasonable will combine to settle the crisis.
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#227 Posted: Sun, Jul 15 2018, 1:20 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
Yeah, but they're only doing it out of deep maternal/paternal instincts....nope, still sounds like a pile of ka-ka to me Not talking

Coupla things.

So you didn't accept my apology about my respect comment? OK. Your call.

So. What's your obsession with maternal/paternal instinct thing? You ok?
I mean isnt it at all possible that some of these undocumenteds are moms and dads that love their kids? And want them to be safe and have good lives? Like good parents do?
What's your deal there? Is it a lousy excuse? Is it personal? Wtf?

Seems you just want to be argumentative? OK. Guess I'm in...

Finally, ka-ka!?? stinks. It's an olfactory thing. Not aural. I think.

I mean I never got down close to it and listened.
And tempted as i am, have no future plans to either.

Fun, right?
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#228 Posted: Sun, Jul 15 2018, 2:46 PM EST
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Cons consider Ronald Reagan one of the greatest Presidents in US history. He wouldn't recognize the cons current positions and attitudes towards immigration....he didn't see monsters in every person trying to cross the border....he saw people trying to make a better life for themselves and their families, so he granted amnesty while approving increased border security.....cons are moving further and further to the extreme, as they believe many libs are doing (some are)....we need some moderation, but nobody has an inch to spare.
MACS Offline
#229 Posted: Sun, Jul 15 2018, 2:48 PM EST
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I got a few. So does Frankie tripod.
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#230 Posted: Sun, Jul 15 2018, 6:10 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Coupla things.

So you didn't accept my apology about my respect comment? OK. Your call.

So. What's your obsession with maternal/paternal instinct thing? You ok?
I mean isnt it at all possible that some of these undocumenteds are moms and dads that love their kids? And want them to be safe and have good lives? Like good parents do?
What's your deal there? Is it a lousy excuse? Is it personal? Wtf?

Seems you just want to be argumentative? OK. Guess I'm in...

Finally, ka-ka!?? stinks. It's an olfactory thing. Not aural. I think.

I mean I never got down close to it and listened.
And tempted as i am, have no future plans to either.

Fun, right?

I'm sure some of them are great parents...

ka-ka or BullChit...I've been hearing a lot of whatever you choose to call it...and your right, BullChit does stink...it is an aural as well as an olfactory offense....
Burner02 Offline
#231 Posted: Sun, Jul 15 2018, 9:45 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Ask Trump that same question.



Do I detect a deflection?
tailgater Offline
#232 Posted: Mon, Jul 16 2018, 8:21 AM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Ya know, you'd have nothing to say if not for the word "stupid"

I mean, it's OK. Cons have many favorite simple 'stupid' words that they constantly regurgitate.
But they can, as you usually do, spell them correctly. There is that.

Pretty stupid.

So?

Kidnapper?

Sadist?

Cultist?

Your turn to pick...ahh, it's stupid. Nm.


You prefer dum dum?
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#233 Posted: Mon, Jul 16 2018, 8:33 AM EST
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Burner02 wrote:
Do I detect a deflection?

First, it's something Trump flat out fabricated. Podesta, who Trump named specifically, never possessed the server. But he was a victim of the same phishing trick as the DNC, led by group of hackers that the Homeland Security Department and Office of the Director of National Intelligence linked to the Russian government.

Besides, if Trump back-channelled during the champaign with foreign sources hoping to get an advantage, my God, isn't that a much bigger deal than what Trump accuses the dnc of?

So deflection? If the dnc/FBI thing were true, sure. Fact check that.
It was just Trump running his mouth and grasping at straws.

Muellerโ€™s 35 actual guilty pleas and indictments makes Trump's catchphrase "witch hunt" absurd. His firing and hiring lawyers, delaying tactics. You honestly think he's innocent of collusion? Damn. Why hasn't he shown his taxes if he has nothing to hide? Why all the lies?
He's hiding something big. At worst I'm just deflecting.

And for the record, of course I realize cheating is what polititians do. All of them.
But damn, not with our enemies, the Russians!

Trump has a lot to hide.
Deflection is his middle name.
tailgater Offline
#234 Posted: Mon, Jul 16 2018, 8:34 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Cons consider Ronald Reagan one of the greatest Presidents in US history. He wouldn't recognize the cons current positions and attitudes towards immigration....he didn't see monsters in every person trying to cross the border....he saw people trying to make a better life for themselves and their families, so he granted amnesty while approving increased border security.....cons are moving further and further to the extreme, as they believe many libs are doing (some are)....we need some moderation, but nobody has an inch to spare.


Seems to me that doing anything less than taking a stronger position would literally prove insanity. We can't keep doing the same thing over and over and yet expect a different result.
We've played the amnesty card already.
We've promised to "increase" border security too many times.
It doesn't work.

And worse: now that TDS reigns supreme, whenever an attempt is made to tighten border security by, oh I don't know, ENFORCING the laws, the administration is accused of tearing apart families.

I say No to blanket amnesty, and Yes to increasing border security.
I was against the concept of a wall from the get go. We could create a virtual wall by making it truly illegal (because there are now varying degrees of it) to hire an undocumented immigrant. Make it truly illegal to house them. To feed them. unless you're just tending to them while you wait for ICE to arrive because you already called them.

It's not inhumane to expect, nay to DEMAND that our laws be upheld.

You want open borders? Change the laws. Don't lash out towards those that enforce the current ones.
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#235 Posted: Mon, Jul 16 2018, 8:41 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Seems to me that doing anything less than taking a stronger position would literally prove insanity. We can't keep doing the same thing over and over and yet expect a different result.
We've played the amnesty card already.
We've promised to "increase" border security too many times.
It doesn't work.

And worse: now that TDS reigns supreme, whenever an attempt is made to tighten border security by, oh I don't know, ENFORCING the laws, the administration is accused of tearing apart families.

I say No to blanket amnesty, and Yes to increasing border security.
I was against the concept of a wall from the get go. We could create a virtual wall by making it truly illegal (because there are now varying degrees of it) to hire an undocumented immigrant. Make it truly illegal to house them. To feed them. unless you're just tending to them while you wait for ICE to arrive because you already called them.

It's not inhumane to expect, nay to DEMAND that our laws be upheld.

You want open borders? Change the laws. Don't lash out towards those that enforce the current ones.




I would add to that...END ANCHOR BABIES! Enact legislation to end this stupidity. There isn't another industrialized nation that allows this. Several countries...(Russia and China!!!) have cottage industries set up where mom comes to the US just to have her American baby. Guess what happens next? It's a $hitshow sideways willie.
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#236 Posted: Mon, Jul 16 2018, 9:00 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
You prefer dum dum?


Actually I'd prefer you GFY.

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#238 Posted: Mon, Jul 16 2018, 9:58 AM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:


Besides, if Trump back-channelled during the champaign with foreign sources hoping to get an advantage, my God, isn't that a much bigger deal than what Trump accuses the dnc of?



NO... emphatically no.... donald trump gossiping with vlad didn't violate any laws and didn't steal the election from anyone...

what hilldog did was defraud the american people and rig the run-up to the presidential election... not even comparable to the vlad/trump bromance...

seriously, how do you not see that?
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DrafterX Offline
#240 Posted: Mon, Jul 16 2018, 10:23 AM EST
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Monkeys..!! Laugh
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#241 Posted: Mon, Jul 16 2018, 10:35 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
NO... emphatically no.... donald trump gossiping with vlad didn't violate any laws and didn't steal the election from anyone...

what hilldog did was defraud the american people and rig the run-up to the presidential election... not even comparable to the vlad/trump bromance...

seriously, how do you not see that?

But you're not partisan, eh?

You see indictments or guilty pleas against Hillary and Co.?
Did she rig it so Bernie couldn't get the nomination? Seems so.

Did you elect and now defend a man who conspired with our worst enemy, thugs, to get elected. Yep.
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#242 Posted: Mon, Jul 16 2018, 10:50 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Seems to me that doing anything less than taking a stronger position would literally prove insanity. We can't keep doing the same thing over and over and yet expect a different result.
We've played the amnesty card already.
We've promised to "increase" border security too many times.
It doesn't work.

And worse: now that TDS reigns supreme, whenever an attempt is made to tighten border security by, oh I don't know, ENFORCING the laws, the administration is accused of tearing apart families.

I say No to blanket amnesty, and Yes to increasing border security.
I was against the concept of a wall from the get go. We could create a virtual wall by making it truly illegal (because there are now varying degrees of it) to hire an undocumented immigrant. Make it truly illegal to house them. To feed them. unless you're just tending to them while you wait for ICE to arrive because you already called them.

It's not inhumane to expect, nay to DEMAND that our laws be upheld.

You want open borders? Change the laws. Don't lash out towards those that enforce the current ones.


and here we agree...yet I fear we may find just how much our economy is dependent upon immigrant labor, legal or not.
Sad to say that businesses large and small, from landscapers and restaurants to mega corporations have been complicit.

I'm willing to find out though.
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#243 Posted: Mon, Jul 16 2018, 10:51 AM EST
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wait...am I a MA-GOP now?
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#244 Posted: Mon, Jul 16 2018, 11:26 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
and here we agree...yet I fear we may find just how much our economy is dependent upon immigrant labor, legal or not.
Sad to say that businesses large and small, from landscapers and restaurants to mega corporations have been complicit.

I'm willing to find out though.

I worked at a deli meat and sausage production company down in Burbank... the plant was in shambles... the meat they produced was dangerous...

drains didn't drain properly, hot water didn't work in some areas of the plant, workers would use the restroom without removing their work smocks and rarely washed their hands afterward...

I was able to make some major changes, but it was lipstick on a pig...

I even had a very respected individual in the meat science field - dr keith belk - come out to the plant and strongly encourage me to quit before someone died from the meat being produced...

None of that is exaggerated... the usda had a target on this place and openly discussed it from day 1... within a month of taking the job, the plant was handed a notice of intended enforcement, meaning the usda intended to shut the place down... we worked our way out of it, but the plant continued to have serious issues and still does I'm sure...

My point? The plant should've been shut down long ago and their business absorbed by a larger company producing at usda level specifications... but they continue to stay in business.... because they employ, almost exclusively, illegal immigrant labor...

You can work them overtime without pay, you can treat them like garbage, you can shave hours off their paycheck, and they Never complain....

I'm not a big fan of big business... as much as i hate the thought of cargill (used to work for them too) taking over this chunk of business, at least i know cargill isn't keeping their prices artificially low by utilizing a labor force that cuts corners on food safety and security... they have too much to lose to risk it...

Will clamping down on illegal immigration raise prices? On some things... things like meat, the actual dollar figure will go up... but in relatively little time the economy will adjust and your wage will still purchase the same amount of meat that it always has...

Things like landscaping? You'll see 2 things... the first is the return of neighborhood kids to manual labor, something i see as long overdue... the second is the return of the homeowner investing his own time in his own land, again, something i view as long overdue..
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#245 Posted: Mon, Jul 16 2018, 11:29 AM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
But you're not partisan, eh?

You see indictments or guilty pleas against Hillary and Co.?
Did she rig it so Bernie couldn't get the nomination? Seems so.

Did you elect and now defend a man who conspired with our worst enemy, thugs, to get elected. Yep.

That should be the most eye opening to you... i don't have a dog in this fight and yet, even i can see that one of them deserves to be put down and the other just needs a rolled up newspaper to the snout...
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#246 Posted: Mon, Jul 16 2018, 12:31 PM EST
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But Hillary, but Obama, that's just Trump being Trump. All that is old and laughable. The Russians have an ongoing cyber war with our county, Trump is siding with Putin. Many cons here seem fine with that. I prefer to see the truth.
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#247 Posted: Mon, Jul 16 2018, 12:34 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
That should be the most eye opening to you... i don't have a dog in this fight and yet, even i can see that one of them deserves to be put down and the other just needs a rolled up newspaper to the snout...

Polititians have always done crap like this! But to their opponents! Unethical? Sure. Illegal? Should be. They lie, spread rumors, do whatever they can get away with. It's not unsual.
Power leads to cheating....but

Trump is changing the entire global adversarial/ally dynamic because of his undeniable secret connection or debt to Putin.

THAT is treasonous. And really dangerous to our country.

You don't see that, I guess. All your government's intelligence agencies do. But you don't .

I won't condon what Hillary's people are alleged to have done.
You want Trump's snout smacked with rolled up newspapers. Nuts.
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#248 Posted: Mon, Jul 16 2018, 12:59 PM EST
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Hilldog and the dnc LITERALLY - NOT FIGURATIVELY - LITERALLY rigged half of the election process... they single handedly nullified the voices and votes of 1/4 of the American population... they've altered the course of American history and are responsible for the election of trump.. and you've labeled it "unethical" and excused it with reasons of "everyone does it"...

Trump shared some gossip with someone - something we know had little to no effect on the election - and you call it treason... you're a regular old #mentalmckaylamaroney...
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#249 Posted: Mon, Jul 16 2018, 1:29 PM EST
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Opel, you seem to be a Trump apologist. Ongoing election cyber hacking by Russia is a cyber war. Read Muellers indictment. The charges are far greater than trolling facebook. Trump is proving daily to be a Russian puppet.
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#250 Posted: Mon, Jul 16 2018, 1:37 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
First, it's something Trump flat out fabricated. Podesta, who Trump named specifically, never possessed the server. But he was a victim of the same phishing trick as the DNC, led by group of hackers that the Homeland Security Department and Office of the Director of National Intelligence linked to the Russian government.

Besides, if Trump back-channelled during the champaign with foreign sources hoping to get an advantage, my God, isn't that a much bigger deal than what Trump accuses the dnc of?

So deflection? If the dnc/FBI thing were true, sure. Fact check that.
It was just Trump running his mouth and grasping at straws.

Muellerโ€™s 35 actual guilty pleas and indictments makes Trump's catchphrase "witch hunt" absurd. His firing and hiring lawyers, delaying tactics. You honestly think he's innocent of collusion? Damn. Why hasn't he shown his taxes if he has nothing to hide? Why all the lies?
He's hiding something big. At worst I'm just deflecting.

And for the record, of course I realize cheating is what polititians do. All of them.
But damn, not with our enemies, the Russians!

Trump has a lot to hide.
Deflection is his middle name.


Huck, my original comment was about the DNC server issue and had nothing to with Trump. You are the one that decided to take it down the rabbit hole.

Not going to waste my breath.
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