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Speyside Offline
#101 Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2018, 5:54 PM EST
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Huck, do fundamental Islamic terrorists follow the Koran, or dictionaries? I know , a silly question. But ISIS, Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and any other jihadists have interpreted the Koran to be a justification for their violence. Those in Iran who follow Shia fundamentalisum would like to kill you and I if my understanding of Shia is correct.
ZRX1200 Offline
#102 Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2018, 6:00 PM EST
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The wackos in Iran want the coming of the 12 Imam and believe it's their job to ready their homeland and hasten his return.
teedubbya Offline
#103 Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2018, 6:03 PM EST
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Iran has deep western influences and is largely secular. Some of their shopping malls are similar to ours.

We tend to look at leadership groups and apply for hat to the masses. It’s also why they probably think we are all orange carnival barkers over compensating for our tiny hands.
frankj1 Offline
#104 Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2018, 6:12 PM EST
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they aren't Arab.
HuckFinn Offline
#105 Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2018, 6:13 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
Just trying to be clever....must have been a cleverness fail...Anxious

Oh.
HuckFinn Offline
#106 Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2018, 6:25 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Huck, do fundamental Islamic terrorists follow the Koran, or dictionaries? I know , a silly question. But ISIS, Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and any other jihadists have interpreted the Koran to be a justification for their violence. Those in Iran who follow Shia fundamentalisum would like to kill you and I if my understanding of Shia is correct.


The Koran is pretty clear about infidels. Kill em.

I guess we should be grateful they don't smoke cigars and hang here, eh?
DrafterX Offline
#107 Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2018, 6:39 PM EST
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Actually about 50% of them play on cbid 24% of the time... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#108 Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2018, 6:52 PM EST
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98.2% of them are Russian bots tho...
ZRX1200 Offline
#109 Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2018, 6:58 PM EST
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Teedub, I said wackos for a reason. The majority of Iran is very civilized.
teedubbya Offline
#110 Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2018, 7:11 PM EST
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I caught that z. Every country and every religion has their wackos. What used to set us apart is ours typically didn’t get reflected as purely in our leadership as theirs. I guess it’s true the exceptional trend towards the average.
DrafterX Offline
#111 Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2018, 7:12 PM EST
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Yep.. my friend and doctor is from Iran... Tough subject for me cause he still has family there and stuff... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#112 Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2018, 7:15 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Teedub, I said wackos for a reason. The majority of Iran is very civilized.

it has seemed that way for a while now, despite the integrity of all info sources being questioned.
but I've heard from Iranians in person (jpotts style evidence) that the middle and younger generation are the Levis and Coke kids, so to speak.

Until they were cut off, so many would come here to our schools, our hospitals (to work!), engineering concerns...not the backward society spoken of on c-bid, but they are under oppressive religious leadership. For now.

There had been a glimmer of hope for future change, current Prez is a moderate despite the issue this week. And a growing population educated in the offerings of the West may have made changes possible in another decade or so...but that hope may be lost now. Maybe even before now with the reneging on the "deal" that every other nation involved has continued to honor.

Don't get me wrong, I consider them an evil country still, but there was more of a shot at their own citizens toppling the regime than in other nations.
teedubbya Offline
#113 Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2018, 7:20 PM EST
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My goalie and left wing were from Iran. They escaped through turkey during the revolution,and had they been caught or returned would have been killed. We played together for 4 years. Great guys. They loved home and wanted to return but the leadership was effed up. They lost many friends and family and always talked about how the leadership was not representative of the people and some day things would change.

They were not really for Turing Iran in to glass though.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#114 Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2018, 7:21 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Also copy and pasted from the article:

"Note that these statistics were gathered by the users of Twitter in Iran."


Additionally copy and pasted from the article:
"98.2% of Iranian Twitter users believe Opel needs to read his sources fully more often"

d'oh! Victor.... read... the survey was conducted BY Twitter users... the survey was not strictly of Twitter users... the survey that the twitter users conducted was on both Twitter users and non users...
teedubbya Offline
#115 Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2018, 7:22 PM EST
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Damn phone. Turning
victor809 Offline
#116 Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2018, 7:23 PM EST
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Mhmm... Then why does the same article link a survey stating Twitter accounts is approximately 10% of the population?
opelmanta1900 Offline
#117 Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2018, 7:23 PM EST
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I mean seriously Victor, Twitter is banned in Iran so you think somehow non Twitter users are gonna go out and get honest numbers? If anything, there are more tweet users in Iran than the survey stated, just accounting for people who don't admit to it from fear...
frankj1 Offline
#118 Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2018, 7:24 PM EST
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also, been meaning to address the fake issue of Trump can't win: too tough on Iran, too weak on Russia.

dumb to lump them together.

Anyone ever hear of taking each international issue separately? Is it at all possible to be wrong or right twice as it relates to different countries in the same week?
Or even go 50/50?
victor809 Offline
#119 Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2018, 7:26 PM EST
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Were you not curious at all why there wasn't a category for "never" under the "how often do you use Twitter" graph? (The data where the 50% number came from.)
opelmanta1900 Offline
#120 Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2018, 7:27 PM EST
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Graphs are fake news...
victor809 Offline
#121 Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2018, 7:30 PM EST
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Seriously Opel... Look at the data they have there.
100% of the results are users who use Twitter within some period of time. The 50% is of that total.

The same group did another study and actually identified the % of Twitter users in Iran.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#122 Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2018, 7:32 PM EST
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I believe you... i didn't really read it carefully... definitely didn't look at the graphs...
teedubbya Offline
#123 Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2018, 7:33 PM EST
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It makes it even more curious why he blows and never says anything remotely tough towards putin while bagging on everyone else including our allies.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#124 Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2018, 7:55 PM EST
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Phil222 wrote:
Or Oprah.



That made me laugh. Thanks
DrafterX Offline
#125 Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2018, 8:04 PM EST
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Well, Putin shoulda 'cut it out' when Obama told him to.. Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
#126 Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2018, 8:38 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Well, Putin shoulda 'cut it out' when Obama told him to.. Mellow



Medvedev told him he'd have more flexibility!!!



https://youtu.be/TA_0YS7tK04
tailgater Offline
#127 Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2018, 10:20 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
And I find it embarrassing that we have grown adults who cite anecdotes about people calling in sick from work due to an election and try to apply that anecdote to an entire population.

...see.... How did that in any way further our discussion... It didn't.
... granted, we weren't having a discussion. You were trying to talk about something unrelated.


There used to be a time, not so long ago, that complaining about our politicians was an American thing to do.
Didn't matter who's party.... You could criticize your own party's politician....

You say people who are pro trump are anti trump tweets... Then why aren't they complaining about it? It's complete silence.... If you don't like when Donnie 2 scoops tweets dumb sh&t, why don't you say something?

This isn't the Catholic Church.... When someone's plowing the altar boy, you can criticize then.


Anecdotes.
It's anecdotal when a politician tells a sob story about a person they don't know.
But when we see it first hand on multiple occasions it ceases to be anecdotal and becomes the truth. I'm sure it wasn't 100% of your limp wristed brethren, but it was enough to make it a thing.

As for "complaining" about politicians? I agree. It's VERY American.

But you've become today's version of what the Tea Party eventually grew into. Your "American protest" is now an incessant whine.

And Trump's tweets? I can't venture a guess as to how many times I've expressed my disdain. The fact that you don't hear it loud enough is testament to your own failings, not those of the people who support our President.
victor809 Offline
#128 Posted: Tue, Jul 24 2018, 12:57 AM EST
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Mhmm... Seen lots of threads you've started due to your disgust at his.tweets.
There's only a handful of people on this board who have actually pointed out his stupid tweets. And if you were to ever look through what he tweets regularly, you would realize that it's really only the tip of the iceberg.... You don't even see most of his stupidity on the news. ...
DrafterX Offline
#129 Posted: Tue, Jul 24 2018, 6:43 AM EST
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Or when he actually does something right... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#130 Posted: Tue, Jul 24 2018, 6:53 AM EST
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Drafter your loyalty to him is duly noted. You went from pretending you didn’t like the guy in the primary season to finding out how many licks it takes to get to the center of the Cheeto lollipop on a daily basis. You are like Sara sanders with a deak
teedubbya Offline
#131 Posted: Tue, Jul 24 2018, 6:54 AM EST
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But I admire your loyalty to the extent you will justify and accept everything even when in no way shape or form would you from anyone else.
DrafterX Offline
#132 Posted: Tue, Jul 24 2018, 7:03 AM EST
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Laugh

I condemn him often... Just not Everytime CNN tells me to... Mellow
tailgater Offline
#133 Posted: Tue, Jul 24 2018, 8:12 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Mhmm... Seen lots of threads you've started due to your disgust at his.tweets.
There's only a handful of people on this board who have actually pointed out his stupid tweets. And if you were to ever look through what he tweets regularly, you would realize that it's really only the tip of the iceberg.... You don't even see most of his stupidity on the news. ...




You're right.
I'm not as fixated as you.
You win.
tailgater Offline
#134 Posted: Tue, Jul 24 2018, 8:31 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Laugh

I condemn him often... Just not Everytime CNN tells me to... Mellow


But if you don't listen to the CNN bots then it means you are an apologist.
You have to shout out your condemnation, loud and proud.
And you have to start new threads on CBid to express your dissatisfaction.

If you don't hate him as much as they do, then you must not hate him at all.
DrafterX Offline
#135 Posted: Tue, Jul 24 2018, 8:43 AM EST
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I know, I forgot... Hate all or nothing.. the Resistance is strong here.. Mellow
HuckFinn Offline
#136 Posted: Tue, Jul 24 2018, 8:55 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Anecdotes.
It's anecdotal when a politician tells a sob story about a person they don't know.
But when we see it first hand on multiple occasions it ceases to be anecdotal and becomes the truth.





Unless I'm mistaken, anecdotes are always taken from and reflect what is real and true.
They're true from the get go.
DrafterX Offline
#137 Posted: Tue, Jul 24 2018, 9:14 AM EST
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So that thing about the Asians is true..?? Huh
HuckFinn Offline
#138 Posted: Tue, Jul 24 2018, 9:22 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
So that thing about the Asians is true..?? Huh

Yup. Just like the limericks bout Nantucket.

What Asian thing???!!?
tailgater Offline
#139 Posted: Tue, Jul 24 2018, 10:20 AM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Unless I'm mistaken, anecdotes are always taken from and reflect what is real and true.
They're true from the get go.


Things can be true without being the truth.

Fred Astair can dance. This is true.
White men can't dance. This is the truth.
tailgater Offline
#140 Posted: Tue, Jul 24 2018, 10:20 AM EST
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I heard Frank was from Nantucket.
bgz Offline
#141 Posted: Tue, Jul 24 2018, 10:46 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Laugh

I condemn him often... Just not Everytime CNN tells me to... Mellow


Well, if you condemned him every time CNN told you too, that's all you would do... ever.
frankj1 Offline
#142 Posted: Tue, Jul 24 2018, 1:27 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I heard Frank was from Nantucket.


you heard right, buddy.

However, The Lovely Caren has banned me from wearing Nantucket Red shorts.
delta1 Offline
#143 Posted: Tue, Jul 24 2018, 2:04 PM EST
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Asian Americans are the best.....................................................true.
DrafterX Offline
#144 Posted: Tue, Jul 24 2018, 2:10 PM EST
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That's what I heard.. ThumpUp
HuckFinn Offline
#145 Posted: Tue, Jul 24 2018, 2:21 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
you heard right, buddy.

However, The Lovely Caren has banned me from wearing Nantucket Red shorts.

From Murray's Toggery Shop?
HuckFinn Offline
#146 Posted: Tue, Jul 24 2018, 2:23 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Things can be true without being the truth.

Fred Astair can dance. This is true.
White men can't dance. This is the truth.




You're probably right.

White people can dance. Not well of course but.....
delta1 Offline
#147 Posted: Tue, Jul 24 2018, 2:27 PM EST
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The rest of the world is getting weary, and leery, of Trump's tweets. Seems that only 35-40% of Americans, Trump's base, give them any credence whatsoever. That number may be high, because there is a growing number of Trump's base who understand Trump's tweets to be worthless. Like most Americans, people around the world don't take his tweets seriously, or don't know what to think about them. From the beginning, Trumps history with tweets has been filled with inconsistencies, proven lies, bullying, intimidation, name-calling, insults, made up stuff, self promotion, fake news.

It has become all-too-obvious that Trump uses twitter to distract, rant, attack, excite his core followers and most importantly, to stay in the everyday news...his ego demands that everybody, in the whole wide world, pays attention to Trump. In other words...his tweets are dismissed because he has shown they can't be taken seriously as predictors for actual events, goals, objectives or policies.

Just as most people around the world dismiss radical extremist dictators who make outrageous statements and threaten to blow up the world and accuse America of being the devil.
dstieger Offline
#148 Posted: Tue, Jul 24 2018, 2:37 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Like most Americans, people around the world don't take his tweets seriously,


so...it's just Victor?
HuckFinn Offline
#149 Posted: Tue, Jul 24 2018, 2:38 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
The rest of the world is getting weary, and leery, of Trump's tweets. Seems that only 35-40% of Americans, Trump's base, give them any credence whatsoever. That number may be high, because there is a growing number of Trump's base who understand Trump's tweets to be worthless. Like most Americans, people around the world don't take his tweets seriously, or don't know what to think about them. From the beginning, Trumps history with tweets has been filled with inconsistencies, proven lies, bullying, intimidation, name-calling, insults, made up stuff, self promotion, fake news.

It has become all-too-obvious that Trump uses twitter to distract, rant, attack, excite his core followers and most importantly, to stay in the everyday news...his ego demands that everybody, in the whole wide world, pays attention to Trump. In other words...his tweets are dismissed because he has shown they can't be taken seriously as predictors for actual events, goals, objectives or policies.

Just as most people around the world dismiss radical extremist dictators who make outrageous statements and threaten to blow up the world and accuse America of being the devil.

TG would tell him to read The Boy Who Cried Wolf.
Actually might be good first book for Donny.
dstieger Offline
#150 Posted: Tue, Jul 24 2018, 2:41 PM EST
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idk, Delta....if I get your point(s), I'm not sure I agree....sure he's bombastic and egotistic -- but, I think that the 'establishment' has determined that a Trumptweet is policy; or 'official', at least....and, based on coverage, they most certainly are taken seriously --- whether warranted or not ----and as to the last about dictators being dismissed....seems that Un, Rouhani, Bin Laden, Kadahfi, et al, weren't exactly ignored...I wouldn't put Trump in that group, but I wouldn't ignore any of them for too long
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