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What redeeming qualities do you think Trump has?
Speyside Offline
#1 Posted:
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President Trump is the first president in my lifetime that I find to have no redeeming qualities as a human being or as a president. Obviously many of you feel quite differently than I do. Perhaps some of you feel the same as I do.
tailgater Offline
#2 Posted:
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What qualities do you want?

HuckFinn Offline
#3 Posted:
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He appears to have good personal hygiene
DrafterX Offline
#4 Posted:
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His wife is hot... Mellow
tailgater Offline
#5 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:
He appears to have good personal hygiene


Those little hands can get into every nook and cranny.
dstieger Offline
#6 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
What redeeming qualities do you think Trump has?


What do you want to redeem them for? A toaster, maybe?

What's the point of the question? You have spent a little time around this cbid politics forum the last two years, and you've obviously read a lot of posts by people who support and/or defend Trump. If not one of those points/posts has allowed you to consider ANY worthwhile 'qualities', then why the question now? Are you willing/able to be persuaded? Or looking for viewpoints to argue against? What would you like to know?
bgz Offline
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He's a pretty good internet troll... not exactly what you want to see out of a president, but he's pretty good at it.
Speyside Offline
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I am interested in what Trump supporters value in Trump. I wasn't even planning to comment again. I am not looking to create another argument. More than anything my question is to help me better understand Trump supporters.
DrafterX Offline
#9 Posted:
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He's the President of the United States of America...

Be American damnit.. Mad
bgz Offline
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I know what was appealing to me...

He was the first president in my lifetime to truly want to crack down on illegal immigration (they've been keeping their heads down lately, but used to be a problem here in AZ).

He wanted to ban muslims from known terrorist states from entering our country (just look at what they're doing to Europe).

He wanted to work towards bettering the economy (which he has largely been working towards).

His methods might not be presidential, but he is getting results... in a bottom line world, that matters.

As far as him personally? I think he's a d1ck... again, that's not necessarily a bad thing either.

Right now, I'm of the opinion of letting it play out and let history be the judge.

I'm usually quiet on his antics and generally don't condemn nor praise him, I'm just taking a wait and see position.
RMAN4443 Offline
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Couldn't that question be asked of many Presidents? Clinton, Kennedy, Nixon to name a few...

https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/american-presidents-who-were-terrible-people.html/

not trying to avoid the question,but I don't care about Trump as a person....I'm more concerned with him as a President and what he can do for the Country, and he hasn't been given time yet...he has been under fire since the day Hilary LOST the election she was so sure she had won...
dstieger Offline
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I am not a Trump supporter. If anything, I'm a Trump basher. But, I generally try to get background and context before bashing or supporting. However, I do know some strong supporters very well.

A few things nearly all of them have in common:

Most seem to be most supportive when discussing what Trump is against, more than for what he is/does:
they like that he's against:
-illegal immigration
-burdensome regulations
-high taxes
-people that bash him without being able to articulate why
-anything related to 'establishment' surrounding politics
-political correctness simply for the purpose of avoiding offending even the smallest constituencies....being offensive isn't ALWAYS a terrible thing

The nationalist pulse that runs through many supporters is a little trickier. I have a personal supposition that among many, there is an unease related to the sense that the largely white, English speaking majority is slipping. It's easy to tag this feeling as 'racist', but I think it is subtler than typical racist thought. This is where we get to one of the larger chasms between supporters and detractors. By tagging Trump (and supporters) as racist, productive conversation is stifled quickly. Most of those people I'm describing do NOT have clear racist bias evident outwardly in any aspect of their public lives, and most don't have even a subconscious sense of racism. But the idea that their 'station' or 'class' or level or even quality of life is being lessened by things such as illegal immigration; or socialist-leaning thought/policies, or perceived erosion of personal rights...stings a bit -- doesn't mean that they think less of people that are different (unless they come by increased social stature through something other than hard work and personal responsibility), but a sense of injustice might be expected or forgiven, if it is not acted upon in any sort of hate-ish ways.

I don't know any Trump supporters that want him to babysit their kids or watch their dogs. They give him a pass on the stuff we describe here as 'moronic', if they feel he's moving the country towards better economics or stronger presence on the world stage. He gets a pass for not doing things the way you expect politicians and statesmen do/did things...because he's not a politician or a statesman....the ends often justify the means.

A lot of them get really wrecked by the loud TDS stuff. I dislike Trump, but I'm appalled by the crap I hear on places like MSNBC....when former intelligence and other national LEADERS go on national media and use words like traitor and treason...well, those supporters are fired up and ever more supportive -- not because Trump is any better than he was a week ago, but because he's attacked in ridiculous fashion and even slight senses of justice increase support

One more thing that may not seem significant to some, but is HUGE to many supporters, is Trump's apparent, maybe even sincere appreciation for veterans. He is at the top of his (unoffensive) game when he's thanking and praising vets.
RMAN4443 Offline
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I have no argument with any of that....very well said Applause Applause
zitotczito Offline
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The best President ever, that's all that can be said.
Speyside Offline
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Nicely articulated Dave, and thoughtful. Treason is incredibly serious, it should never be used as an opinion about anyone. Also, I do not like him being tried in the court of public opinion about everything he says and does.
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Allen, something else to think a little about....

Like it or not, Trump is at the top of the REPUBLICAN party. Not to say that he's conservative....or that he stands for anything that might have been in an official platform...simply that he is, at this moment in time, Republican.

That presents a bit of a problem for all those that aren't deep-down supporters. Some of us have declared Libertarian or Independent status, but we're years (decades?) away from a Libertarian or Independent viable candidate. And very few of those non-Trumpian Republicans/conservatives/libertarians are going any where near any Dems...especially not any on the left half of the Dem spectrum. So...that leaves us with Trump -- not realistic in this two-party duopoly for anything else.......(and sort of sad where that leaves true Republican candidates for any office right now)....but, more reality is that hackles are raised in defense even from us who don't like the guy when the attacks are hollow or illogical
HuckFinn Offline
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"I overcame chaos in our country, restored order, enormously raised production in all fields of our national economy...I succeeded in completely resettling in useful production those millions of unemployed who so touched our hearts...I have not only politically united the nation but also rearmed it militarily, and I have further tried to liquidate Treaties sheet by sheet that contain the vilest rape that nations and human beings have ever been expected to submit to."

Excerpts from Hitlers Reichstag speech of 28 April 1939


Duterte of the Phillipines:
Despite a growing laundry list of incidents like calling the U.S. ambassador to the Philippines a “gay son of a whore,” sanctioning summary executions for alleged drug dealers and users, and saying journalists deemed corrupt are not exempt from assassination—Duterte remains very popular. And it’s become difficult for anyone to criticize the president without attracting angry rebuttals from his aggressive partisans who are quick to defend the president as being “misunderstood” or having his remarks “taken out of context” by Western media.

You’ll get responses like “He’s doing the right thing” and “They probably deserve it” if you condemn his open calls for murder. His fiercest supporters will yell “bias” and “media corruption” at even the slightest criticism, while at the same time sharing stories in support for the president from bogus news sources. In the most extreme cases, Duterte critics were faced with threats of violence and murder from his most fervent supporters, despite his own calls to chill out. Though 86 percent of the Filipino population is Catholic, Duterte has publicly cussed out the Pope—all without his own popularity suffering one bit.

I see close parrallels to trump. Same pandering, promises, claims and aims. The same rallying methodology: scapegoat; the Jew, the Immigrant, Moslems, Drug dealers, any pawn you can grab. I see similarities in their supportes and Trump's.
Mob mentality. Take back our country mentality. Fear mongering 101.

I don't think I'm an alarmist. Im just a tired old man who's getting weary. As our national soap opera unfolds hourly, starring the evidently rivetingly charismatic Trump, I care less and less about us.
'Why should I care?' I ask myself. If half the country thinks this is an ends-justify-the-means situation and therefore reasonable direction we're headed in, we're likely doomed. Follow a pos and you are a pos. America had a good run i guess. But, for me, today? Stop the world, I wanna get off.
delta1 Offline
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Don't give up, Huck. This country is too big, beautiful and great for one terrible POTUS to mess up. The foundations of our democracy and economy, taken together, can weather the Trump storm...hopefully only a four year tropical storm and not an 8 year hurricane. Even the cons, who despaired, wrung their hands incessantly during his two terms, and said that Obama was destroying this country kept the faith and persevered.

Some of them feel greatly vindicated by the ascension of Trump...without acknowledging the job Obama did in rescuing our country from the brink of economic ruin and putting us and our economy back on track as world leaders, exceeding all other nations as they tried to climb out of the mess left by the previous GOP regime...


Use that as an example, if you must...recognizing that Trump is the obverse of Obama...and that we'll need to clean up the next mess...prolly without any help from the GOP... more likely obstruction...
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The damage done looks irreparable to me: lost allies, secret partnering with Putin, the planet's vulnerability, the internal division, nasty rhetoric, pride....hatred...

Why bother fixing what is inevitability going to be broken again?

It's easy to destroy, much harder to construct.
RMAN4443 Offline
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HuckFinn wrote:
"I overcame chaos in our country, restored order, enormously raised production in all fields of our national economy...I succeeded in completely resettling in useful production those millions of unemployed who so touched our hearts...I have not only politically united the nation but also rearmed it militarily, and I have further tried to liquidate Treaties sheet by sheet that contain the vilest rape that nations and human beings have ever been expected to submit to."

Excerpts from Hitlers Reichstag speech of 28 April 1939


Duterte of the Phillipines:
Despite a growing laundry list of incidents like calling the U.S. ambassador to the Philippines a “gay son of a whore,” sanctioning summary executions for alleged drug dealers and users, and saying journalists deemed corrupt are not exempt from assassination—Duterte remains very popular. And it’s become difficult for anyone to criticize the president without attracting angry rebuttals from his aggressive partisans who are quick to defend the president as being “misunderstood” or having his remarks “taken out of context” by Western media.

You’ll get responses like “He’s doing the right thing” and “They probably deserve it” if you condemn his open calls for murder. His fiercest supporters will yell “bias” and “media corruption” at even the slightest criticism, while at the same time sharing stories in support for the president from bogus news sources. In the most extreme cases, Duterte critics were faced with threats of violence and murder from his most fervent supporters, despite his own calls to chill out. Though 86 percent of the Filipino population is Catholic, Duterte has publicly cussed out the Pope—all without his own popularity suffering one bit.

I see close parrallels to trump. Same pandering, promises, claims and aims. The same rallying methodology: scapegoat; the Jew, the Immigrant, Moslems, Drug dealers, any pawn you can grab. I see similarities in their supportes and Trump's.
Mob mentality. Take back our country mentality. Fear mongering 101.

I don't think I'm an alarmist. Im just a tired old man who's getting weary. As our national soap opera unfolds hourly, starring the evidently rivetingly charismatic Trump, I care less and less about us.
'Why should I care?' I ask myself. If half the country thinks this is an ends-justify-the-means situation and therefore reasonable direction we're headed in, we're likely doomed. Follow a pos and you are a pos. America had a good run i guess. But, for me, today? Stop the world, I wanna get off.


Where's the brakes? How do we stop this thing?....
Sarcasm (a little)
deadeyedick Offline
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HuckFinn wrote:
The damage done looks irreparable to me: lost allies, secret partnering with Putin, the planet's vulnerability, the internal division, nasty rhetoric, pride....hatred...

Why bother fixing what is inevitability going to be broken again?

It's easy to destroy, much harder to construct.


Chill out. All we need is to elect another POTUS who apologizes and bows to every head of state and we will be forgiven as long as the aid flows.
DrafterX Offline
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Laugh
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Hmm, I have bitten my tongue long enough, Mob Mentality? Dictatorial? Dems fixed things? Really? Such a naive opinion. This mess has been festering since the original Clinton administration, and will continue to do so, unless we can find a few good old fashioned individuals who can run against the incumbent constituents whose seats are up for grabs this year. I dislike both parties, I consider myself conservative, but even so, you have to be able to see the Forrest through the trees. And call a mess exactly what it is. It is true that we are seeing an economic boom at the moment, but eventually it will plateau. Then what? What is the long term strategy? We definitely can’t leave it up to the regular Republicans and Democrats. They’re as worthless as NATO...... or the UN (Usual Nothing) lol. Anyway enough of my soapbox, I just don’t see change happening if we are making the same mistakes over and over again. I believe the best analogy I can think of to describe our leaders is Post Turtle. If anyone knows what that is, then you will understand my reference.
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well, he's got many rather un-redeeming qualities, but on the redeeming side, he's pro-American, which is a refreshing change from the prior administration which was hell-bent on making America a second class country ...
HuckFinn Offline
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deadeyedick wrote:
Chill out. All we need is to elect another POTUS who apologizes and bows to every head of state and we will be forgiven as long as the aid flows.

At least Obama wasn't Putin's bitch
HuckFinn Offline
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Cathcam13 wrote:
Hmm, I have bitten my tongue long enough, Mob Mentality? Dictatorial? Dems fixed things? Really? Such a naive opinion. This mess has been festering since the original Clinton administration, and will continue to do so, unless we can find a few good old fashioned individuals who can run against the incumbent constituents whose seats are up for grabs this year. I dislike both parties, I consider myself conservative, but even so, you have to be able to see the Forrest through the trees. And call a mess exactly what it is. It is true that we are seeing an economic boom at the moment, but eventually it will plateau. Then what? What is the long term strategy? We definitely can’t leave it up to the regular Republicans and Democrats. They’re as worthless as NATO...... or the UN (Usual Nothing) lol. Anyway enough of my soapbox, I just don’t see change happening if we are making the same mistakes over and over again. I believe the best analogy I can think of to describe our leaders is Post Turtle. If anyone knows what that is, then you will understand my reference.


Not sure why you think it's a naive opinion. Or why Clinton is somehow responsible.
I agree, the country is in bad shape, also that the economy will plateau. I think NATO is a valuable fight force and the UN is better than nothing.
Some turtles should be rescued. Not all.
DrafterX Offline
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Speculation..!! Mad
DrafterX Offline
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Iran pretty much held that card... Trump woulda dropped a bomb if they had taken those sailors on his watch... And sure as hell wouldn't have delivered 2 billion in cash on a pallet to them... Mellow
HuckFinn Offline
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SteveS wrote:
well, he's got many rather un-redeeming qualities, but on the redeeming side, he's pro-American, which is a refreshing change from the prior administration which was hell-bent on making America a second class country ...

Never for a second did I think Obama didn't love our country. You did?

Demonizing the press, empty threats, braggioso, scapegoating folks and lying constantly are what second class countries' leaders do. In other words, Trump.
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DrafterX wrote:
Iran pretty much held that card... Trump woulda dropped a bomb if they had taken those sailors on his watch... And sure as hell wouldn't have delivered 2 billion in cash on a pallet to them... Mellow

No. Putin needs Iran intact. Donald would have done what he was told.
DrafterX Offline
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Average net salary in Russia is 647 bucks... Think

Yep, sounds like a super-power to me... Mellow
HuckFinn Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Average net salary in Russia is 647 bucks... Think

Yep, sounds like a super-power to me... Mellow

Putin is the richest man in the world. 500 billion net worth.
And now, with Trump in his pocket, the most powerful.
RMAN4443 Offline
#33 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:
Putin is the richest man in the world. 500 billion net worth.
And now, with Trump in his pocket, the most powerful.

Where did you get this tidbit? ....a quick look at Forbes top twenty and Putin is nowhere on the list...Jeff Bezos shows up at number one. Think ...more fake news?
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Putin refused to show his tax returns?
HuckFinn Offline
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Google it RMANN. I've heard on evil cnn 500 billion and read at numerous sites 200 plus.

Why question it? You sure I'm wrong?
RMAN4443 Offline
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HuckFinn wrote:
Google it RMANN. I've heard on evil cnn 500 billion and read at numerous sites 200 plus.

Why question it? You sure I'm wrong?

I did,can't find that info....why don't you show us?
A couple of minutes ago you said 500 billion...is it 200 or 500...or more of your Ka-Ka?
HuckFinn Offline
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RMAN4443 wrote:
I did,can't find that info....why don't you show us?
A couple of minutes ago you said 500 billion...is it 200 or 500...or more of your Ka-Ka?

http://time.com/money/4641093/vladimir-putin-net-worth/

http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2015/02/15/putins-net-worth-is-200-billion-says-russias-once-largest-foreigner-investor/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/world-cup-2018/2913385/vladimir-putin-net-worth-fortune/

Why do you waste my time dude?
HuckFinn Offline
#38 Posted:
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http://fortune.com/2017/07/29/vladimir-putin-russia-jeff-bezos-bill-gates-worlds-richest-man/

https://wealthygorilla.com/vladimir-putin-net-worth/
RMAN4443 Offline
#39 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:
http://time.com/money/4641093/vladimir-putin-net-worth/

http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2015/02/15/putins-net-worth-is-200-billion-says-russias-once-largest-foreigner-investor/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/world-cup-2018/2913385/vladimir-putin-net-worth-fortune/

Why do you waste my time dude?

I'm on my phone so I can't cut and paste from your articles, but they all say Putin s net worth is unclear....Putin s net worth estimated to be...all "Hypotheticals"....
And I didn't even look at the Time link....I figured that would probably be a symbol of some sort for paternal/maternal something or others....
RMAN4443 Offline
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RMAN4443 wrote:
I'm on my phone so I can't cut and paste from your articles, but they all say Putin s net worth is unclear....Putin s net worth estimated to be...all "Hypotheticals"....
And I didn't even look at the Time link....I figured that would probably be a symbol of some sort for paternal/maternal something or others....

That’d put Putin within striking distance of Bill Gates, who according to Bloomberg is the world’s richest man with an estimated net worth of $84 billion. One less credible critic says Putin’s real worth could be as high as $200 billion.
This is an excerpt from one of your links....note the less credible critic....I think they may be referring to you..Anxious
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
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His hair is fabulous!
ZRX1200 Offline
#42 Posted:
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He's caring, honest, and does what he says.

Best POTUS in decades, and much classier than the previous 3.
Speyside Offline
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Z, you have all of the virtues I dislike, and none of the vices I admire.
delta1 Offline
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spey...pretty sure Z forgot the "sarcasm" smiley...
delta1 Offline
#45 Posted:
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in all honesty, I've been wracking my brain for a couple of days to find redemptive qualities for Trump...here are a few...

He likes American fast food...he appreciates young beautiful undressed women...he's a boxing fan...he's persistent, overcoming personal failings and the fumble of his father's hand-off to become a successful real estate businessman...he's a great self-promoter, better than Ali...
RMAN4443 Offline
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http://fortune.com/2017/07/29/vladimir-putin-russia-jeff-bezos-bill-gates-worlds-richest-man/
excerpt from above....not a fact, but a belief of Bill Browder...

But according to Hermitage Capital Management CEO Bill Browder, they’re nothing compared to Russian President Vladimir Putin, whose personal fortune Browder “believes” to be $200 billion.


http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2015/02/15/putins-net-worth-is-200-billion-says-russias-once-largest-foreigner-investor/
except from above link, which is an interview of Bill Browder, who is trying to sell a book....

CNN’s FAREED ZAKARIA GPS features an interview with Bill Browder, the CEO of Hermitage Capital Management, formerly Russia’s largest foreign investor, and a once supporter of President Putin. He also describes the dynamics between power and wealth in Russia, claiming that during “the first eight or 10 years of Putin’s reign over Russia, it was about stealing as much money as he could. And some people, including myself, believe that he’s the richest man in the world, or one of the richest men in the world, with hundreds of billions of dollars of wealth that was stolen from Russia.”


https://www.thesun.co.uk/world-cup-2018/2913385/vladimir-putin-net-worth-fortune/

excerpt from above link....note quote is from Bill Browder ….AGAIN Think

The International Business Times recently sparked fresh speculation over Putin's wealth, publishing comments from Russian fund manager and author Bill Browder used his political power to amass a vast fortune.
He told CNN Putin was worth "$200 billion (£160bn)", adding: "After 14 years in power of Russia, and the amount of money that the country has made, and the amount of money that hasn't been spent on schools and roads and hospitals and so on, all that money is in property, bank — Swiss bank accounts —shares, hedge funds, managed for Putin and his cronies”.

All your links use Bill Browder as the source for the $200 Billion figure, yet you said numerous sites...maybe numerous sites, but only one source....Could it be....Ka-Ka again???Shame on you

HuckFinn wrote:
Google it RMANN. I've heard on evil cnn 500 billion and read at numerous sites 200 plus.

Why question it? You sure I'm wrong? ….I am now



HuckFinn wrote:
http://time.com/money/4641093/vladimir-putin-net-worth/

http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2015/02/15/putins-net-worth-is-200-billion-says-russias-once-largest-foreigner-investor/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/world-cup-2018/2913385/vladimir-putin-net-worth-fortune/

Why do you waste my time dude?


Why do I waste your time? I told you I, can't believe the BullChit(Ka-Ka) you serve up here

also, the Sun is not a newspaper, but a trashy tabloid like the National Enquirer and the like....

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-sun/

excerpt from above link.....

he Sun is a daily tabloid newspaper published in the United Kingdom and Ireland. As a broadsheet, it was founded in 1964 as a successor to the Daily Herald; it became a tabloid in 1969 after it was purchased by its current owners. It is published by the News Group Newspapers division of News UK, itself a wholly owned subsidiary of Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp. Bottom line is this tabloid reports trashy ridiculous stories with a right wing bias. (6/19/2016) Updated (2/25/2017)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Potentially_unreliable_sources

excerpt from above....

In general, tabloid newspapers, such as The Sun, Daily Mirror, the Daily Mail (see also the February 2017 RFC discussing its validity), equivalent television shows, should be used with caution, especially if they are making sensational claims. The Daily Express and Sunday Express should be treated with even greater caution.

https://forums.multiplay.com/general-chat/33880-sun-legitimate-news-source

excerpts from above....


People who read The Sun are generally morons.

Most of what The Sun reports is biased (its part of Rupert Murdoch's Newscorp) so although some of the facts might be right, the rest is pretty much opinionated.

Things they usually get right:
The Price
The Publication Date
The Barcode
Their Address


If I wanted a full page spread on david beckham changing his haircut then i'd get the sun.
If I want the news I buy the Times.

The Sun isn't a newspaper. It's a cross between a skraggy porn mag (page three and all that) and a comic book.

Liar Shame on you
DrafterX Offline
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I rather enjoy the Page 3 Girls... Mellow
RMAN4443 Offline
#48 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
I rather enjoy the Page 3 Girls... Mellow

yeah, me too, but it's not my source for real news.....unless I want to find out more aboutElvis shopping at the Mall of America...Anxious
delta1 Offline
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Really??? whadhebuy??
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I think he is very good at marketing, propaganda and manipulating the media and as a result certain groups of people. He has a very definite skill set.

He is also very good at fighting (verbal) and always has been. Thats why I always enjoyed him as the heal on Stern. His fights with AJ benza were fun.
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