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Consistency, please.
victor809 Offline
#101 Posted:
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... I think dsteig missed the joke.
frankj1 Offline
#102 Posted:
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dstieger wrote:
second time I've seen mention of that....who do Asians hate?


:) jk....but

I did know some Asians that disliked blacks for no clear reason...but even that was complicated -- there was some deep rooted animus related more to natives from their own countries than to those of African descent....maybe not animus necessarily, but certainly a feeling of superiority -- and I guess that was racial, but it could extend simply to vastly different skin tones of people that were clearly 90+% the same racial make up....

I know there's a lot of older Asians from countries other than Japan that hate Japanese....but, I'm not sure that's racist exactly....

If I dislike people specifically because they are a certain nationality, is that racist?


Hate (based on things other than views presented in cbid politics) sure can be complicated


I think they hate round eyes....also jk.

I've seen a couple of issues at work with Vietnamese guys, not sure what distinctions they made agoinst others though.

I recall years ago that home run king Saduhara Oh was never truly accepted in japan due to one parent being of Chinese lineage.

Seem to an uninformed observer like me that rather than hate based on unfair stereotypes like here, they may hate based on ethnic purity...?
dstieger Offline
#103 Posted:
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someone did


for 101
dstieger Offline
#104 Posted:
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just rhetorical musing, Frank.....but the hatred of Japanese by many other older Asians is palpable....and for very good reason

I've always sort of nauseously marveled at all kinds of ethnic hatred.....I thought Hotel Rwanda did a particularly good job of showing examples that are impossible for many of us to begin to comprehend....like Kosovo....or Nazi Germany....or the Balkans...or how many 'cleansings' in and around Ottoman Empire....mind boggling
tailgater Offline
#105 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
... I think dsteig missed the joke.


I really think so...


tailgater Offline
#106 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
he once called me a poopy head.


You only HEARD it once.


dstieger Offline
#107 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
I really think so...



i've got your picture




tailgater Offline
#108 Posted:
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Of me and you?
delta1 Offline
#109 Posted:
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dstieger wrote:
i've got your picture





nice...
Speyside Offline
#110 Posted:
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Your primary tactic is generalizing all liberals into one size fits all because it fits your narrative. Your other tactic is countering logic with bluster. You are also very consistent at joining in on conservative dog piles. Finally you make statements like the start of this post, that when researched just aren't factual.
HuckFinn Offline
#111 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
Your primary tactic is generalizing all liberals into one size fits all because it fits your narrative. Your other tactic is countering logic with bluster. You are also very consistent at joining in on conservative dog piles. Finally you make statements like the start of this post, that when researched just aren't factual.

Other than that he's a great guy.

Maybe just a bit of a bully.
frankj1 Offline
#112 Posted:
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dstieger wrote:
just rhetorical musing, Frank.....but the hatred of Japanese by many other older Asians is palpable....and for very good reason

I've always sort of nauseously marveled at all kinds of ethnic hatred.....I thought Hotel Rwanda did a particularly good job of showing examples that are impossible for many of us to begin to comprehend....like Kosovo....or Nazi Germany....or the Balkans...or how many 'cleansings' in and around Ottoman Empire....mind boggling

yeah, I kinda let WWII era slide right by me...

mind boggling, indeed.
tailgater Offline
#113 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
Your primary tactic is generalizing all liberals into one size fits all because it fits your narrative. Your other tactic is countering logic with bluster. You are also very consistent at joining in on conservative dog piles. Finally you make statements like the start of this post, that when researched just aren't factual.


A. you need to look up "generalize". Why it's done. What it means and what it doesn't.
B. Logic with bluster? Just because you don't agree with me doesn't make it bluster.
C. I actually refrain from the conservative dog piles, other than to place a joke or three. I dislike the mob mentality and as you may have noticed my post frequency goes UP when more liberals (oops, sorry) post. So this is the exact opposite of the truth, but I'll try to let you down gently.
D. What, specifically, wasn't factual about my OP? I offered my opinion on a matter of pop culture news. With further research I stand by my assessment even though it upsets a lot of conservatively challenged individuals on this site.

Remember, people who disagreed with my opinion chose to steer the subject matter away from the liberal hypocrisy and towards the vile tweets. As if that would somehow make the subject matter moot.
There is nothing that isn't "factual" insomuch as an opinion can be of fact or otherwise: People on the left who are now in support of Gunn were previously against Barr.
That isn't even opinion. It's a verifiable fact.


tailgater Offline
#114 Posted:
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And by the way.
I'm tired of dancing around the term "Liberal".

I use it to describe people who are left of center in their political beliefs.

I'm tired of hearing you pansies cry and pee and moan and ruin your skirt every time I use it.
Get over yourself. You weak wristed, lisping bunch of snowflakes. Cripes. You'd think you're all on a collective, perpetual rag attack.

So remember.
I mean nothing negative when I say it.


victor809 Offline
#115 Posted:
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Since you want to bring up your first abomination of a post tail...

your argument in 113 is based on the idea that you are correct in calling it hypocrisy (in post 1).
You never try to prove that first. You just started out begging the question.... Why would anyone have a constructive argument with you when you start it that way?

Step 1... Provide a hypothesis
Step 2 .. prove your hypothesis
Step 3 ... Apply your hypothesis

You went right to step 3...
tailgater Offline
#116 Posted:
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My first post, for clarity.


tailgater wrote:
Roseanne Barr was fired for tweeting a lame joke that reeked of racism. FACT

The left cheered. FACT

And they cheered because Barr is a Trump supporter. Conjecture, based on facts already known and presented in the Gunn articles.
It had NOTHING to do with making a joke about race. Opinion


Now it seems that "right wing cyber nazi's" (Notice the parenthesizes?) have outed Guardians of the Galaxy director James Gunn for tweeting disgusting jokes in the past.
Disney fired James Gunn for the tweets, which deal with Rape and sex with infants. You know: standard subject matter for jokes...

But the left are NOT cheering. Fact

Because Gunn is a liberal who didn't vote for trump. This was in the news articles

Unless, of course, they feel that jokes about infant sex is OK as long as it doesn't mention race. This is a jab.

...


If you notice, I didn't comment on the tweets other than to jab the left.
Maybe that's why Victor, et al chose to attack the tweet.
Meanwhile, ignoring the clearly stated hypocrisy.
I usually don't "try to prove" the obvious. Perhaps I should have considered my audience.

If it's not orange in color you really can't focus. Can you?
victor809 Offline
#117 Posted:
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You were doing so good until you decided to editorialize at the end.

It's not hypocrisy unless you can prove equivalency.
This is why I asked you at the very beginning whether you read the tweets.

So. Prove the equivalency.
You are being wayyyy to generic currently to succeed... Just saying one was a racist joke and the other was a pedophile joke isn't really gonna do it.
frankj1 Offline
#118 Posted:
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is Disney a right or left leaning organization?

I have no idea and normally wouldn't care at all, but the answer could lead to some interesting conjecture.

delta1 Offline
#119 Posted:
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according to Conservapedia, Disney has turned into a secular progressive organization, evolving from a conservative one while Walt Disney was alive. Now, under Isner and Iger, it's gone Hollywood...
RMAN4443 Offline
#120 Posted:
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Miley Cyrus worked for Disney...I don't know what that means, frank, but there it is...
delta1 Offline
#121 Posted:
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They did a movie celebrating inter-species relations...
Speyside Offline
#122 Posted:
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TG, I don't know where to start. I disagree with everything you said. You hubris is showing. Your logic isn't.
frankj1 Offline
#123 Posted:
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RMAN4443 wrote:
Miley Cyrus worked for Disney...I don't know what that means, frank, but there it is...

I find her repulsive.

I think I'm turning GOP, I really think so...
frankj1 Offline
#124 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
according to Conservapedia, Disney has turned into a secular progressive organization, evolving from a conservative one while Walt Disney was alive. Now, under Isner and Iger, it's gone Hollywood...

so, my scorecard reads that a conservative Trump supporter and a liberal anti Trump unknown person have both been fired by Liberal management for disgusting stuff.

I'd have to conclude that Liberal management did not take voting into account but rather responded to unacceptable actions.

If people think that fringe group responses to these decisions defines Liberals, than than they have their own agenda.

Next case.
DrafterX Offline
#125 Posted:
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I seen Miley's boobs before... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#126 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
I seen Miley's boobs before... Mellow

she makes it too easy
DrafterX Offline
#127 Posted:
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But back on topic... How many of Hillary's cronies were granted immunity vs Trump's cronies that are in trouble.. Think
frankj1 Offline
#128 Posted:
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so even with immunity they didn't give enough to charge or convict?
I doubt this was your point.
DrafterX Offline
#129 Posted:
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Gotta consider who was in charge of convicting and they're current status... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#130 Posted:
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can't convict if not charged.
DrafterX Offline
#131 Posted:
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Exactly.. Mellow
tailgater Offline
#132 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
You were doing so good until you decided to editorialize at the end.

It's not hypocrisy unless you can prove equivalency.
This is why I asked you at the very beginning whether you read the tweets.

So. Prove the equivalency.
You are being wayyyy to generic currently to succeed... Just saying one was a racist joke and the other was a pedophile joke isn't really gonna do it.


Little Jimmy reads on the internet that Roseanne Barr is fired from her job because of a Tweet she made.
Jimmy cheers.
Claims it's because there is no need for hate on the interwebs.

Little Jimmy reads on the internet that Gunn gets fired from his job because of multiple Tweets he made.
Jimmy claims that those tweets were from years ago.
Says they were only jokes.
No need to fire him.


I don't believe it is possible to hate a mildly racist tweet more than you hate multiple tweets about rape and child rape.
So it would be logical to assume there is something else in play here.

You can do the math from here. I won't patronize you further.

Am I wrong? I might be.
Maybe all these people just find successful fat women less appealing than the latest hollywood genius director.
Could have nothing to do with Trump.
Keep telling yourself that.



And for the record, this opinion was formed on Tailgater Island.
The first couple web links came to the same conclusion, albeit from an opposite perspective.
And I didn't coin the phrase "right wing cyber nazi's". That was used on more than one site, which implies somebody actually made that claim.

And so you don't get confused: Little Jimmy isn't a real person. He represents the mainstream left as it exists in the hollywood folds. Maybe not the best representative sample, but it makes the discussion flow more readily. I took that liberty and am unapologetic.

Enjoy the rest of your day.


DrafterX Offline
#133 Posted:
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Screw Little Jimmy... Not talking
Speyside Offline
#134 Posted:
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His tweets were far worse. But to say her tweet was mildly racist is ignorant and delusional. Your sharp tounge is no indication of a keen mind.
frankj1 Offline
#135 Posted:
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after careful deliberation, I am ruling that there is only enough evidence to convict little Jimmy.
The rest is personal theory in search of supporting evidence...an unscientific method.
delta1 Offline
#136 Posted:
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for someone who denounces the occasions when he is broad-brushed and over-generalized, tail sure does a lot of over-generalizing and broad brushing...not remarkable, just typical...
tailgater Offline
#137 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
His tweets were far worse. But to say her tweet was mildly racist is ignorant and delusional. Your sharp tounge is no indication of a keen mind.


Her tweet WAS mildly racist.

Don't be so stupid.



tailgater Offline
#138 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
for someone who denounces the occasions when he is broad-brushed and over-generalized, tail sure does a lot of over-generalizing and broad brushing...not remarkable, just typical...


I got in trouble for brushing a broad once.


Speyside Offline
#139 Posted:
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You really are a dolt. Monkey comments are not mildly racist. To bad there isn't a fountain of smart, you need a drink.
Speyside Offline
#140 Posted:
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Here is something to debate/consider. Does the term mildly racist make sense? I think something is racist or it is not racist. I think there are racist things that I find more or less offensive. I think many things are called racist that I do not find racist. I think there are different types of racism. So are we just jousting about semantics? Would it be fair to say you did not find Barrs tweet to be very offensive? I'm not trying to be clever here, I am trying to differentiate and understand better, and perhaps express myself better.
frankj1 Offline
#141 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
I got in trouble for brushing a broad once.



Wheel? Dat you?
HuckFinn Offline
#142 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
I got in trouble for brushing a broad once.



It's code for 'grabbing them by the ****'
dstieger Offline
#143 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
Here is something to debate/consider. Does the term mildly racist make sense? I think something is racist or it is not racist. I think there are racist things that I find more or less offensive. I think many things are called racist that I do not find racist. I think there are different types of racism. So are we just jousting about semantics? Would it be fair to say you did not find Barrs tweet to be very offensive? I'm not trying to be clever here, I am trying to differentiate and understand better, and perhaps express myself better.


As I have alluded above, I do think that it's worthy of discussion. Probably not going to happen on a widespread scale, however. The tag 'racist' is FAR too powerful to risk having it diminished through thoughtful conversation.

Hanging the racist tag is never going to be very scientific, because, IMO, the term depends entirely on intent and belief of the 'offending party'. Good luck judging that reliably.

As to how 'offended parties' feel....well, that's fraught with different challenges. There's certain times when legal distinction is attempted to be drawn using phrases like "reasonable person standard", etc. But, certain times and population segments may run up a hyper-sensitive standard and still be publicly validated.

So...trying to judge levels of racism in another person's actions is not likely to be a valuable exercise.
I think most people will argue that 'racism is bad'. But, I don't think I've ever met someone without some level of racial bias. How does that bias need to be manifested before it is called 'racism'? No clue. But, alleging 'racism' and defending 'racist' accusations are always going to be much more powerful actions than they deserve, IMO.
tailgater Offline
#144 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
You really are a dolt. Monkey comments are not mildly racist. To bad there isn't a fountain of smart, you need a drink.


Speyside is offended so it makes it so.

In my previous post I suggested that you not be stupid.
You obviously ignored my advice.

You can lead a horse to water...




Oops.
Sorry.
Is horse offensive?
I should have checked with you first.

tailgater Offline
#145 Posted:
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If we're going to talk about racism can we right now just assume that we all know racism is bad? Because it gets boring when people have to side step over their point and put disclaimers throughout their post just so they can feel safe expressing themselves.

Speyside Offline
#146 Posted:
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I think you are the inflexible one acting dumb. Really? Saying don't be so stupid is suggesting I am not stupid? I ignore bad advice, I expect you do the same. I am not offended, you obviously misunderstand. I disagree, is that so hard to follow? Carry on with whatever you think this is. I am sure you will agree with yourself.
dstieger Offline
#147 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
If we're going to talk about racism can we right now just assume that we all know racism is bad? Because it gets boring when people have to side step over their point and put disclaimers throughout their post just so they can feel safe expressing themselves.




I think so. I'm guessing the people who would disagree are openly racist (like skinheads or black supremacists) and fall outside of the 'reasonable person standard'.....



I have young relatives who have posted things on social media that I assumed were racist....but, it turns out maybe not so much....when a 15 y.o. lily white boy refers to his 'friends' as niggas....or pulls song and movie quotes out of their contexts and shares them, with intent to be inflammatory....who gets to permanently brand the kid as racist?....with or without any regard to race bias/intent?
bgz Offline
#148 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
I got in trouble for brushing a broad once.




How many gallons did it take?

You did use a broad brush right?
tailgater Offline
#149 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
I think you are the inflexible one acting dumb. Really? Saying don't be so stupid is suggesting I am not stupid? I ignore bad advice, I expect you do the same. I am not offended, you obviously misunderstand. I disagree, is that so hard to follow? Carry on with whatever you think this is. I am sure you will agree with yourself.




It's funny.
A guy who can't follow straight forward sentence structure is so ready to define an ambiguous comment as pure racism with no wiggle room for anyone to put context to it.

You outdid yourself this time, skippy.







delta1 Offline
#150 Posted:
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I think there can be degrees of racism: pulling the corners of ones eyes into a slant to mock an Asian pitcher after hitting a home run in a WS game pales in comparison to beating a man viciously, emasculating him and then hanging him naked from a tree because of his dark skin and some perceived violation of a social norm...
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