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Collusion is not a crime.....
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JadeRose Offline
#1 Posted: Tue, Jul 31 2018, 10:19 AM EST
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.....but that doesn't matter because there was No Collusion (except by Crooked Hillary and the Democrats)!

Actual Tweet by Donald J. Trump. 45th President of the United States.
ZRX1200 Offline
#2 Posted: Tue, Jul 31 2018, 10:22 AM EST
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He's right.
DrafterX Offline
#3 Posted: Tue, Jul 31 2018, 10:47 AM EST
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Yep... Any Russian contact after the election is cool too... Mellow
bgz Offline
#4 Posted: Tue, Jul 31 2018, 10:53 AM EST
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CNN's headlines from an RSS feed... *yawn*

Quote:

The biggest misconception about the Russia probe is that it will end in some legal proceeding. It won't.

Trump repeats Giuliani defense: 'Collusion is not a crime'

Anderson Cooper breaks down Giuliani's new defense

Analysis: Trump smokescreen fogs up what is fact or fiction

Colbert skewers Giuliani's collusion defense

Analysis: The 37 strangest lines in Giuliani's off-the-rails interview

Lawmaker predicts Trump Jr., Kushner will be indicted

3-D guns: Untraceable and unstoppable?

Gun victim's dad slams 3D-printed guns


Gee, I think these guys might have an agenda... you know, it's not healthy to obsess this much over sh*t... but they know this, and they love their pharmaceutical buddies.
Speyside Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, Jul 31 2018, 10:56 AM EST
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He is right. What the DNC and Hillary did to Bernie was despicable. After the Mueller report is released maybe he is not right.
HuckFinn Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Jul 31 2018, 11:02 AM EST
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Collusion isn't a legal term, but the term can be used to describe interactions between a presidential campaign and a foreign government that are illegal under existing statutes, like conspiracy to defraud the US. That's illegal.

Besides, Mueller is supposed to be investigating coordination between the campaign and the Russians. Not collusion.
He's looking in to actual crimes that might have been committed during their alleged 'coordination '.

'Collusion' is just L'Oreal's name for Donald's hair color'.
And why he keeps repeating 'no collusion!' ...probably...maybe....
Theres no figuring out stable geniuses.
frankj1 Offline
#7 Posted: Tue, Jul 31 2018, 12:38 PM EST
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Willie Shoemaker was a stable genius.
RMAN4443 Offline
#8 Posted: Tue, Jul 31 2018, 12:59 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
Willie Shoemaker was a stable genius.


Exactly...Applause
dstieger Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, Jul 31 2018, 1:05 PM EST
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If only he didn't achieve all of his success on the backs of others.....
frankj1 Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Jul 31 2018, 1:10 PM EST
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and...they're off.
RMAN4443 Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Jul 31 2018, 1:31 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Collusion isn't a legal term, but the term can be used to describe interactions between a presidential campaign and a foreign government that are illegal under existing statutes, like conspiracy to defraud the US. That's illegal.

Besides, Mueller is supposed to be investigating coordination between the campaign and the Russians. Not collusion.
He's looking in to actual crimes that might have been committed during their alleged 'coordination '.

'Collusion' is just L'Oreal's name for Donald's hair color'.
And why he keeps repeating 'no collusion!' ...probably...maybe....
Theres no figuring out stable geniuses.


Right off the bat,more Bullchit.....Liar or maybe you just spewed without researching?Think


https://thelawdictionary.org/collusion/

https://legaldictionary.lawin.org/collusion/

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/collusion

it appears to be a "legal term", at least to the people who know what they're talking about...Shame on you


HuckFinn Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Jul 31 2018, 1:47 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
Right off the bat,more Bullchit.....Liar or maybe you just spewed without researching?Think


https://thelawdictionary.org/collusion/

https://legaldictionary.lawin.org/collusion/

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/collusion

it appears to be a "legal term", at least to the people who know what they're talking about...Shame on you



I'd read that Guilliani wasn't mistaken. Collusion is not a crime.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/30/giuliani-is-right-collusion-isnt-a-crime-but-that-wont-help-trump.html

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/12/what-is-collusion-215366

And read things like

Trump and his lawyers are right that the term “collusion” isn’t a precise one when it comes to U.S. law. But that doesn’t change the potential legal fallout stemming from the Russia investigation, which could touch on laws against computer hacking, election fraud and conspiracy against the United States
RMAN4443 Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Jul 31 2018, 2:08 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
I'd read that Guilliani wasn't mistaken. Collusion is not a crime.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/30/giuliani-is-right-collusion-isnt-a-crime-but-that-wont-help-trump.html

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/12/what-is-collusion-215366

And read things like

Trump and his lawyers are right that the term “collusion” isn’t a precise one when it comes to U.S. law. But that doesn’t change the potential legal fallout stemming from the Russia investigation, which could touch on laws against computer hacking, election fraud and conspiracy against the United States


you said collusion wasn't a "legal term"(BULLCHIT)...it most definitely is a "legal term", that's why it's included in the "LAW" books and dictionaries...
I never said it was "illegal", just correcting your BULLCHIT statement...

You know, your starting to bore me...you make it much to easy...where is the challenge you offered up in some of your previous posts?...I'll have to assume that was just more in a long line of your BULLCHIT....

and I'm "witless and dumb"?...seems like the pot calling the kettle black...Think
HuckFinn Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Jul 31 2018, 2:13 PM EST
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And...

The term "collusion" is not entirely meaningless – it's in the dictionary, and in an unrelated context (antitrust), it is reasonably well-defined. In the Trump-Russia context, however, it has no legal or other agreed meaning. Worse, centering the word "collusion" leads to irrelevant arguments. Harvard Law School Professor Alan Dershowitz asserts on television that "it is not a crime to collude with a foreign country."
dstieger Offline
#15 Posted: Tue, Jul 31 2018, 2:26 PM EST
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Is there anyone who hasn't gone to law school that GAF if collusion is a crime?

If any presidential campaign worked directly with a foreign government to secure an election win, there's a problem. Fluck the law textbooks. And if Trump and his lawyers are leaning on some legal distinction to keep them out of trouble...well, I'm fairly certain he can be impeached if he worked with Russians to help in the election no matter what any law says
HuckFinn Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, Jul 31 2018, 2:31 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
you said collusion wasn't a "legal term"(BULLCHIT)...it most definitely is a "legal term", that's why it's included in the "LAW" books and dictionaries...
I never said it was "illegal", just correcting your BULLCHIT statement...

You know, your starting to bore me...you make it much to easy...where is the challenge you offered up in some of your previous posts?...I'll have to assume that was just more in a long line of your BULLCHIT....

and I'm "witless and dumb"?...seems like the pot calling the kettle black...Think

Clearly I'm not boring you. You're obsessed with me. I mean my bs.
I'm not gonna continue to trade insults with you. That to me is bs.
I hope that doesn't end up just upsetting you more.
Cause that's not my intention.




frankj1 Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, Jul 31 2018, 4:12 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Clearly I'm not boring you. You're obsessed with me. I mean my bs.
I'm not gonna continue to trade insults with you. That to me is bs.
I hope that doesn't end up just upsetting you more.
Cause that's not my intention.





probably a good place to end the hostilities...
fiddler898 Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, Jul 31 2018, 4:44 PM EST
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Depends on what the definition of "is" is.

Oh, and Rudy hasn’t been "right" for a while now. Regardless of how the word is defined.
HuckFinn Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, Jul 31 2018, 4:50 PM EST
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fiddler898 wrote:
Depends on what the definition of "is" is.



It do
Speyside Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, Jul 31 2018, 5:50 PM EST
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Dave, stop making sense. This is CBID after all.
tailgater Offline
#21 Posted: Tue, Jul 31 2018, 7:20 PM EST
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fiddler898 wrote:
Depends on what the definition of "is" is.

Oh, and Rudy hasn’t been "right" for a while now. Regardless of how the word is defined.


Agree.

And agree.
tailgater Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, Jul 31 2018, 7:21 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Dave, stop making sense. This is CBID after all.


Never fear. I'm sure you'll more than make up for it.
delta1 Offline
#23 Posted: Tue, Jul 31 2018, 7:34 PM EST
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"no collusion" and "witch hunt" has been Trump's and his media channel spokespersons' mantra about the Mueller investigation from day one, in attempt to re-assure his base and to sway independents, however many existed...and most importantly to change public perception so that any damage that may result will be minimized...and he has gotten results...

this in the face of having to back-track continuously when denial after denial and lie after lie about events involving his campaign people and links to Russia and criminal behavior during the campaign have been exposed...

funny how the cons, the ones who used to claim "law and order" as a pillar of their beliefs, are outraged over the media's reporting of new facts about Russian involvement and alleged Trump campaign participation in the 2016 election, and yet they are supportive of con media's attempts to defame federal law enforcement agencies with scant evidence, innuendo and conspiracy theories and to shut down the criminal investigation altogether...


of course if it was Hillary instead of Trump being investigated with an identical fact pattern...it would be LOCK HER UP...how easy it is to forget the multi-year Congressional investigation into Hillary and Benghazi that con media brought into the daily news, day after day after day....
Speyside Offline
#24 Posted: Tue, Jul 31 2018, 7:45 PM EST
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Actually this is all pretty simple. I would be surprised if any criminal actions surface involving president Trump. He does have many actions I find questionable. But that is politics, not criminal conduct. As usual, my primary resource is to vote in upcoming elections. It may be a feels good, but there is no particular value in continuously bashing him. In the end, he will be judged on his accomplishments, not his bombast.
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