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my point was a response to your post in that thread...

You wrote:

"Do you not believe we should only accept those immigrants who will contribute TO society rather than draw from it? Especially if they draw from taxpayer funded sources without ever having contributed a dime to those sources?"

and I used Trump's wife dragging her family in as Exhibit A..her contribution was that she is photogenic.

still has nothing to do with how to track kids separated from misdemeanor convicts.

It's old news being dragged out to influence the midterm elections... The problem has been fixed... Where was the outrage when Obama did the exact same thing..??

Love you too Frank...

You do NOT f***in tell me what to do!!

Signed---

Senior Chief!

Apology accepted

jpotts

I'm sure the numbers will change with the wind, but here's what we see in the news cycle:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/trump-admin-asks-more-time-reunite-kids-parents-separated-border-n889301

That's an older one from early July, but the numbers change daily. This one just stuck in my memory.


Either way, it's the PARENTS that can't be found in the vast majority of situations.

That's a LOT different from kids lost in the system with parents searching for them.

Frank,
The claim by the ACLU, the media, and the Trump Haters is that there are families trying to reunite that are unable to do so because our government screwed the pooch with their paperwork.

I've seen news reports from the main stream media that talk about kids with no one looking for them. I have not seen the reports of parents looking for their kids.

If you are correct, and the parents are in jail, then the ACLU, the media, and the Trump Haters are being disingenuous. Because those families are NOT trying to reunite. The headlines about separated families are not talking about jailbird parents crying for their kids. The implication by the media is that freedom loving mom and dad are searching in vain for junior who was viciously ripped from their loving arms by Trump himself.

It saddens me to know kids don't or won't have a family.
I think we all wish the record keeping was better.
But that was a result, not the goal.

Tail the report from July with the “38” out of 3000 (also on the first paragraph) which is what I pasted from does not say or imply the parents are not looking for them. Your continuation to insist that is either just stubborn or I thought you were smarter than that.

The kids in question are not lost. The government has them in hand. They didn’t wander off, they are in custody. They’ve just been shipped around the country and we lost track of who they are or who they belong to. In the process we didn’t let the parents know remotely where we sent them. I fear some of these situations might be permanent despite the parents desperate attempts to find their kids. There is no link. It’s been broken and the deck has been shuffled several times. If you are in New Mexico, have no idea the government sent your kid to the east coast, and the government has no record of where they sent your kid you are effed. And the government has a kid in custody for which they can not locate their parents. The damn parents.

They are under 5 years old and can’t help the delema. We can’t find their parents largely because we don’t know who their parents are, or where they are at. We played three card monte with them and lost track. It has zero to do with parents not looking.

That story in no way shape or form is how you describe. At that time there were 3000 kids involved. Of those 3000 still being detained and separated at that moment 38 are ones where there is not enough information to locate the parents. Often the only link to the parents was a phone number in the kids hand. If lost no link. Oopsie daisy can’t find the parents. The government didn’t document properly in their haste. This is well known and well reported/documented even by fox.

Go back and read your statements. To say the parents are not looking is absurd, isn’t based on anything, is a total misreading of your own article, and doesn’t make sense. It doesn’t pass any logic test even without looking further.

I hope this isn’t how you read and interpret things on a daily basis or I’ve been giving you too much credit for years.

For the sake of the childrens, document the undocumented immigrant who broke the law.

TW, there is something else going on here and was the reason I started the thread. The ACLU took the government to court for the following. The government said they had no responsibility to reunite children with parents that had been deported during the time of separation. The courts agreed with the ACLU in that the government does have a responsibility to reunite these families.

Why are we still talking about this?

The new CNN talking point is Lebron... separated children are so last month.

When my kids were young, we'd threaten military school...or we'd leave them at the zoo....now parents have another threat option: "We're all going to visit Mexico and then try to sneak back into US. You don't like the way you're being treated? Just wait 'til you spend a couple weeks with ICE!"

Tail no documentation thus unable to locate parents does not equal parents not looking.

Good god I’ve given you too much credit.

Locate parents?

Holy crap you're dense.

If your kid was separated from you would you be difficult to locate? Documentation be damned, I'd be the one yelling to everyone in earshot.



It's funny how you Trump Haters call him racist or anti immigrant.
But then you make arguments that assume the immigrants are stupid as sh*t and can't get out of their own way.


And if the parent is in jail, then there is no one to join the kid with anyhow.


Too much credit?
LOL.
Like always you aren't even saying anything, other than being a contrarian.



Let me speak slowly:
1. No documentation on the separation. BAD on us. I agree. I've said this. Yet read your post. You moron.
2. No documentation wouldn't stop you or I if the circumstance were reversed. I know you well enough to commit to this.
3. Parents in jail or scared or in your opinion too dumb is NOT an excuse to let you kid be missing without making a stink.
4. "Unable to locate parents"?? You really do think very little of the immigrant intelligence. They are people like you and I and as such they shouldn't be "unlocatable" if that were a word.

Schmucks.

'you and me'. Imbecile.

I feel like I've spent my entire life thinking the thread title

Guilty.

Pretty silly back and forth. How would we know if parents were or weren't looking for their kids? The government agencies in charge? Course not.

The media? How do you source info like that?

The lost children mix-up was meant to send a strong warning to immigrants. Stay home.

Wasn't accidental.

Tail you drew a conclusion from a headline that can not be drawn from the headline or the story. It's a conclusion that also can not pass any logic test. That's all I'm pointing out. I suspect you get it but will never admit it.

Opel there are examples of them out there. You can find them with an easy search. Of the ones remaining resources available is a pretty big determinant of success. Thats why there is a call for attorneys to represent these folks.

I don't believe it was intentional. Maybe it was, and I'd not fault anyone with that belief. As I said I think it was inept government trying to implement something too quickly (which takes credit or blame away from the Prez).

I do not believe there is a substantial number of parents that were separated from their children that are not looking or trying to get them back and there is zero evidence that would point to tails initial assertion that is what is happening. He drew the conclusion from information that did not say that and now is claiming you can't prove a negative. He's always a moving target and in this case has given me a few laughs which I appreciate.

I still think he's trolling because if he is sincere then I have given him too much credit and need to remember that in future discussions LOL.

Now that is some info you can draw conclusions from. Interesting.

With extreme sincerity it is quite obvious that you truly are a moron.

You are trying so hard to counter a point I initially made based on casual observations.
You don't want to believe it so you are desperate to disprove it.
But you can't. And therefore you haven't.
And somehow I'm to blame for your inadequacies.

https://ijr.com/2018/08/1114726-man-claimed-cross-border-daughter-turns-raping/

News source NY Times.

More Than 450 Migrant Parents May Have Been Deported Without Their Children.

The thirty four in opels numbers did what amounts to putting their kids up for adoption. That part doesn’t surprise me.