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cacman Offline
#251 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2018, 12:56 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Another fact: when White folks say it they don't intend it the same way.

And yet another broad racist generalization LMFAO! It just keeps getting better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcGw1u-XSH4
RMAN4443 Offline
#252 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2018, 1:03 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Black folks were once a commodity. That's a fact. To white folks they were nothing more or less than tools. To white people. To Black folks they were sons, daughters, wives, friends etc., their people, community. 
I'm not experiencing white guilt, I'm respecting their decision. I'm exhibiting human decency.

Today's younger Black generation has  tried to defang the word and take ownership of it. They've changed it to "nnigga" (minus an N). They affectionately call each other that. I don't claim to understand, I'm just stating a fact. Another fact: when White folks say it they don't intend it the same way.

How can they?

That FACT was corrected ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY-THREE years ago....none of this "Today's younger Black generation" were ever enslaved, their parents were never enslaved, their grandparents were never enslaved, and most likely their great grandparents were never enslaved.....

I don't understand how you became C-Bids spokesman for what Black people want....how do Black people feel about you using the moniker Huck Finn...a fictional character,yes, but the book uses the "N" word 219 times...isn't you using that character in referring to yourself offensive to at least some black people?
RMAN4443 Offline
#253 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2018, 1:31 PM EST
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Dave Chappelle's The Niggar Family......very funny, and you shouldn't find it too offensive Huck, it's a black man saying Niggar, but I don't think it comes close to 219 times....what probably won't offend you is the use of Whetback and JewNot talking


https://youtu.be/hLOw_SzkRQ8


and The Niggar Family is the correct spelling used by Chappelle...
RMAN4443 Offline
#254 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2018, 2:18 PM EST
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came across this Chappelle show game show skit, and thought of you Huck....You could be a Contenda and honorary spokesman for the Black People....

I Know Black People Pt.1...
https://youtu.be/oDcA9BIB_NQ

I know Black People Pt.2....
https://youtu.be/p3p2GrSO6JI

Your Welcome, and good luck Huck.....We're rooting for you to take the Title of "Knower of All Things Black"...and then you can assume your rightful place as Spokesman for the Black Race....they really need you, but they may require you to change your moniker from Huck Finn to something a little less offensive ....maybe you could use Sweetback Steve....just a suggestion, feel free to use your imagination.....you always do
HuckFinn Offline
#255 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2018, 3:11 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
That FACT was corrected ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY-THREE years ago....none of this "Today's younger Black generation" were ever enslaved, their parents were never enslaved, their grandparents were never enslaved, and most likely their great grandparents were never enslaved.....

I don't understand how you became C-Bids spokesman for what Black people want....how do Black people feel about you using the moniker Huck Finn...a fictional character,yes, but the book uses the "N" word 219 times...isn't you using that character in referring to yourself offensive to at least some black people?






And today's younger Jewish generation were never systematically murdered. So I guess they shouldn't have any thoughts on the subject of their great great grandparents being gassed. Well, strong thoughts anyway as it was years ago according to your way of thinking.
But, really?


The Bosnians and Serbs. Bygones?


Holodomor: where millions of Ukrainians were massacred by Russians.
Dudes, just get over it?


The  Cambodian, Armenian,  Rwandan, Greek, Bangladesh GENOCIDES...yesterday's news? 


So is there a window for how long a people have to mourn and must then let stuff go?


Maybe. But who the **** am I, or you to tell them when?


I'm not the spokesman for anything or anybody. Cept me of course. I just disagree with many of the prevailing opinions at cbid. Like I said, you want to use the N word?  Use it!


As regards Twain and Huckleberry Finn, we've talked about this before, right?

From:

http://www.byzantinecommunications.com/adamhoward/homework/college/racialhuckfinn.html

Each of Huck and Jim’s adventures bring Huck closer to the realization that there is something wrong with society’s view of blacks. Finally, Huck pulls out a sheet of paper and pens a letter to Miss Watson to tell her that he has her slave Jim. At first he thinks he feels good about himself; he believes he has finally followed his "conscience." 

To put his feelings into action, Huck decides that he will definitely help Jim to escape from slavery. From this point, he doesn’t care how much society might resent him for it. It feels right to him, and he will do it. This action goes contrary to the social norms. A white was never expected to care about a black, much less to help one escape. But Huck did just that. Huck has opened his mind to the view that slavery is wrong; he has taken a big step in this direction. In this manner, Huck Finn attacks the social norm of slavery in specific, and racism in general.


Like I told you before, when I had to pick a cbid handle I was reading Trains autobiography...I liked that Huckleberry smoked...


Btw, PBS just broadcast a show Mark Twain. 

It's narrated by the Black actor Keith David. 


I have no clue as to why we're still horse ....this conversation is futile, right?

Do you want to be able to use the N word? Use it!
RMAN4443 Offline
#256 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2018, 3:35 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
And today's younger Jewish generation were never systematically murdered. So I guess they shouldn't have any thoughts on the subject of their great great grandparents being gassed. Well, strong thoughts anyway as it was years ago according to your way of thinking.
But, really?


The Bosnians and Serbs. Bygones?


Holodomor: where millions of Ukrainians were massacred by Russians.
Dudes, just get over it?


The  Cambodian, Armenian,  Rwandan, Greek, Bangladesh GENOCIDES...yesterday's news? 


So is there a window for how long a people have to mourn and must then let stuff go?


Maybe. But who the **** am I, or you to tell them when?


I'm not the spokesman for anything or anybody. Cept me of course. I just disagree with many of the prevailing opinions at cbid. Like I said, you want to use the N word?  Use it!


As regards Twain and Huckleberry Finn, we've talked about this before, right?

From:

http://www.byzantinecommunications.com/adamhoward/homework/college/racialhuckfinn.html

Each of Huck and Jim’s adventures bring Huck closer to the realization that there is something wrong with society’s view of blacks. Finally, Huck pulls out a sheet of paper and pens a letter to Miss Watson to tell her that he has her slave Jim. At first he thinks he feels good about himself; he believes he has finally followed his "conscience." 

To put his feelings into action, Huck decides that he will definitely help Jim to escape from slavery. From this point, he doesn’t care how much society might resent him for it. It feels right to him, and he will do it. This action goes contrary to the social norms. A white was never expected to care about a black, much less to help one escape. But Huck did just that. Huck has opened his mind to the view that slavery is wrong; he has taken a big step in this direction. In this manner, Huck Finn attacks the social norm of slavery in specific, and racism in general.


Like I told you before, when I had to pick a cbid handle I was reading Trains autobiography...I liked that Huckleberry smoked...


Btw, PBS just broadcast a show Mark Twain. 

It's narrated by the Black actor Keith David. 


I have no clue as to why we're still horse ....this conversation is futile, right?

Do you want to be able to use the N word? Use it!



I don't use the word.
Yes, if you peruse history many, if not most peoples have been persecuted at one time or another. I'm of German descent, but I never supported Hitler or gassed Jews, have any of us here?I didn't kill off any Bosnians and Serbs or Ukrainians in Holodomor, or Cambodians or Armenians or Rwandans or Greeks or Bangladeshis(have you? or any of us here?)...Hell, I didn't even go to vietnam..I was to young

I'm just sick of the (I know you don't like the words Bullchit or Ka-Ka),so choose the synonym you like best...noun excrement
crap
poop
shyte
BM
defecation
discharge
dung
excrement
excretion
fecal matter
feces
feculence
deuce
manure
number two
stool
waste
you spew.....




We were discussing the "N" word,not PBS specials or analysis of Huck Finn, so your argument is off point.
I really didn't GAF when you said you lost respect for me, but I've decided I have NO RESPECT for you...you are a Fing blithering IDIOT!!!!
GOOD DAY!!!!!!
HuckFinn Offline
#257 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2018, 3:52 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
I don't use the word.
Yes, if you peruse history many, if not most peoples have been persecuted at one time or another. I'm of German descent, but I never supported Hitler or gassed Jews, have any of us here?I didn't kill off any Bosnians and Serbs or Ukrainians in Holodomor, or Cambodians or Armenians or Rwandans or Greeks or Bangladeshis(have you? or any of us here?)...Hell, I didn't even go to vietnam..I was to young

I'm just sick of the (I know you don't like the words Bullchit or Ka-Ka),so choose the synonym you like best...noun excrement
crap
poop
shyte
BM
defecation
discharge
dung
excrement
excretion
fecal matter
feces
feculence
deuce
manure
number two
stool
waste
you spew.....




We were discussing the "N" word,not PBS specials or analysis of Huck Finn, so your argument is off point.
I really didn't GAF when you said you lost respect for me, but I've decided I have NO RESPECT for you...you are a Fing blithering IDIOT!!!!
GOOD DAY!!!!!!

Right, we're discussing the N word. And you keep bringing up how many times Twain has Huckleberry Finn use it. You don't see the relevance because of the anti-racist subtext in the story? ok, cool. Can't think for you.

And right. I was pretty sure you weren't involved in any of the above atrocities and wasn't accusing you of anything! So why are you so defensive?
I was trying to make the point that people that have been wronged don't just bounce back,
sometimes they never do, and who are we, outsiders, to tell them hurry it up.
RMAN4443 Offline
#258 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2018, 5:00 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Right, we're discussing the N word. And you keep bringing up how many times Twain has Huckleberry Finn use it. You don't see the relevance because of the anti-racist subtext in the story? ok, cool. Can't think for you.

And right. I was pretty sure you weren't involved in any of the above atrocities and wasn't accusing you of anything! So why are you so defensive?
I was trying to make the point that people that have been wronged don't just bounce back,
sometimes they never do, and who are we, outsiders, to tell them hurry it up.

YOU can't even think for YOU!!!!! Your to busy trying to tell us how black people think....

and your point about bouncing back is also diarrhea of the keyboard....Woman get raped and are told all the time they have to get past it and get on with their lives....People have loved ones murdered and are told all the time that yes it was a terrible thing, but you need to move past it and get on with your life....all sorts of terrible things happen to people every day....some people see psychiatrists to help them get over or through these things, but most seem to get over these things or are at least able to live their lives without constantly, using those terrible things as excuses for everything...

All these modern day Black People you keep saying have been wronged 153 years ago, did not even exist 153 years ago.....just for the sake of argument, if one of my relatives 153 years ago took part in a lynching for example, does that make me a racist, a bad person, a murderer? Or am I just an ancestor 153 years removed from those events? Could I have prevented it?...remember now, I didn't even exist 153 years ago...

or if one of my German ancestor's was a Nazi working in the concentration camps 85 years ago,took part in any of the atrocities committed there is that my fault? Could I have stopped it? Should all the Jewish and Polish BOTL here hate me because of it?... remember now, I didn't even exist 85 years ago....

But here you are in 2018 trying to tell us that todays Black People, who didn't even exist 153 years ago. hate us because one of our ancestors may/or may not have been involved in an atrocity 153 years ago??????


PUHLEEEEZE....get over yourself....you are not the designated spokesmodel for the BLACK PEOPLE of today...


By the way, how did you fare in the I Know Black People Show.....did you win....or are you going home with a years supply of Jheri Curl??? DUMB ASS
DrafterX Offline
#259 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2018, 5:15 PM EST
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Is that on DirectTV..?? Huh
RMAN4443 Offline
#260 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2018, 5:21 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Is that on DirectTV..?? Huh

check the links on post 254, a couple of Dave Chappelle skits.....I thought were pretty funny.....probably makes me a racist...Anxious

another link to Chappelle in #253 I thought was pretty funny, but again that probably offends The Spokesman for the Black People too...Anxious

and by funny I mean I couldn't believe they had this on TV, but even more so because it was being done and said by a Black PERSON....and I heard that those words were very offensive to Black People by the Capo di Tutti Capo Spokesman for Black People......
frankj1 Offline
#261 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2018, 8:16 PM EST
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I helped build da Pyramids.
RMAN4443 Offline
#262 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2018, 8:19 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I helped build da Pyramids.

Of course you did, they needed a lever....Anxious
Speyside Offline
#263 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2018, 8:47 PM EST
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Did you have to gather your own straw?
RMAN4443 Offline
#264 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2018, 8:53 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Did you have to gather your own straw?

paper or plastic?
frankj1 Offline
#265 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2018, 10:04 PM EST
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plastic straws were one of da plagues
tailgater Offline
#266 Posted: Mon, Sep 3 2018, 9:03 AM EST
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I think Huck is hyperventilating.

Take a straw and breathe deep.

Paper, of course.
Think of the sea turtles.
Speyside Offline
#267 Posted: Mon, Sep 3 2018, 12:28 PM EST
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Huck, there is no way to justify the idea that a word is racist if one group of people use it, and it is not racist if another group of people use it. There are no shades of grey here. The PC crowd can rant all they want. It doesn't make what they say true.
RMAN4443 Offline
#268 Posted: Mon, Sep 3 2018, 1:12 PM EST
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Lupe Fiasco- The Coolest.....with lyrics in description

https://youtu.be/7zDz8yGJQFQ

just the lyrics below

https://genius.com/Lupe-fiasco-the-coolest-lyrics


I wonder how it would go over if I walked down a street in Los Angeles or Dorchester Mass. singing this little ditty????
tailgater Offline
#269 Posted: Mon, Sep 3 2018, 1:38 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Huck, there is no way to justify the idea that a word is racist if one group of people use it, and it is not racist if another group of people use it. There are no shades of grey here. The PC crowd can rant all they want. It doesn't make what they say true.


I think the N word is racist.
I just don't think using it makes a person racist.
It's a word. It's part of the English language. For good or for bad.
But it's still just a word.
It might make people cringe.
And it can certainly hurt some feelings.
But the same is true of most any curse word, or even non-curse words that are directed at somebody in anger.
It's just a word and it's people like Huck who give it importance where none is deserved.
HuckFinn Offline
#270 Posted: Mon, Sep 3 2018, 3:01 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Huck, there is no way to justify the idea that a word is racist if one group of people use it, and it is not racist if another group of people use it. There are no shades of grey here. The PC crowd can rant all they want. It doesn't make what they say true.

OK to disagree?
If my daughter, kidding around with her mom, calls her a 'bitch', is there not an entirely different intent and mutual understanding as to its meaning, givin the context, than when my daughter yells bitch at some woman who just cut her off? Same word..

Sure they're just words. But when I researched 'why do some but not all Black people think it's an ok word' it became clear that it was a generational thing... mostly.
And that no Blacks thought it acceptable for Whites to ever use the word.
I was just delivering the message to our open-minded friends here.

But according to Beavis and Butt-head here Blacks need to get over themselves..

Maybe this generation of rappers will abandon attempts at neutralizing the dawned word.
Maybe they'll give up and agree noone should ever say it. I DGAF.

Still, it's about intent, right? When young Black people use the word they mean it affectionately.
They want to own and defang the word.

This is the way I see it.
I mean is it really the same word out of the mouth of David Duke as it is out of Chris Rock's?
bgz Offline
#271 Posted: Mon, Sep 3 2018, 3:39 PM EST
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No, one ends in A and the other ends in ER.
RMAN4443 Offline
#272 Posted: Mon, Sep 3 2018, 3:54 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
OK to disagree?
If my daughter, kidding around with her mom, calls her a 'bitch', is there not an entirely different intent and mutual understanding as to its meaning, givin the context, than when my daughter yells bitch at some woman who just cut her off? Same word..

Sure they're just words. But when I researched 'why do some but not all Black people think it's an ok word' it became clear that it was a generational thing... mostly.
And that no Blacks thought it acceptable for Whites to ever use the word.
I was just delivering the message to our open-minded friends here.

But according to Beavis and Butt-head here Blacks need to get over themselves..

Maybe this generation of rappers will abandon attempts at neutralizing the dawned word.
Maybe they'll give up and agree noone should ever say it. I DGAF.

Still, it's about intent, right? When young Black people use the word they mean it affectionately.
They want to own and defang the word.

This is the way I see it.
I mean is it really the same word out of the mouth of David Duke as it is out of Chris Rock's?


so if I start singing the song I posted above,because it's a fantastic composition with an uncontrollable beat, and it got stuck in my head, WHAT IS MY INTENT? I really love that song and I can't help singing it spontaneously...isn't that me SHOWING MY AFFECTION?

I really don't much like that song,truly.....but I'm sure there are plenty of white people out there that do enjoy it...

and if your referring to me as half of the duo Beavis and Butthead, I never said anyone needed to "GET OVER THEMSELVES"...I said they needed to get over history, the past, things that while horrible can never be changed...stop making excuses, and make things better now than they were 153 years ago.....even 50-60 years ago....using the past to make excuses in the present will ensure things stay the same in the future....

and if I am half of that duo, I wanna be Beavis......YOU CAN CONTINUE BEING BUTTHEAD
RMAN4443 Offline
#273 Posted: Mon, Sep 3 2018, 6:02 PM EST
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cacman wrote:
And yet another broad racist generalization LMFAO! It just keeps getting better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcGw1u-XSH4


apparently Asians shouldn't say it either....Shame on you
Speyside Offline
#274 Posted: Mon, Sep 3 2018, 6:20 PM EST
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No Huck, I don't think so. I assume your daughter has enough respect to never call her mother a bitch.
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#275 Posted: Mon, Sep 3 2018, 6:39 PM EST
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The cheese stands alone
The cheese stands alone
Heigh ho the derry-o
The cheese stands alone
Heigh ho the derry-o
The cheese stands Alone!
tailgater Offline
#276 Posted: Mon, Sep 3 2018, 7:09 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
OK to disagree?
If my daughter, kidding around with her mom, calls her a 'bitch', is there not an entirely different intent and mutual understanding as to its meaning, givin the context, than when my daughter yells bitch at some woman who just cut her off? Same word..

Sure they're just words. But when I researched 'why do some but not all Black people think it's an ok word' it became clear that it was a generational thing... mostly.
And that no Blacks thought it acceptable for Whites to ever use the word.
I was just delivering the message to our open-minded friends here.

But according to Beavis and Butt-head here Blacks need to get over themselves..

Maybe this generation of rappers will abandon attempts at neutralizing the dawned word.
Maybe they'll give up and agree noone should ever say it. I DGAF.

Still, it's about intent, right? When young Black people use the word they mean it affectionately.
They want to own and defang the word.

This is the way I see it.
I mean is it really the same word out of the mouth of David Duke as it is out of Chris Rock's?


MLK should be rolling in his grave if he read your posts.
Huck sees people by the color of their skin first. Perhaps ONLY by this.

Although it is adorable how shortsighted he is.
"young black people use the word affectionately"?? Really?
You gonna stand by that remark? Because they also use it when angry. You have obviously never been witness to a brawl outside a bar or at the subway stop.

Their "affection" is loud, let me tell you.

But it must be true.
Because you researched it.

smh
DrafterX Offline
#277 Posted: Mon, Sep 3 2018, 8:29 PM EST
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Pretty sure Huck is a descendent of slave owners.. Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#278 Posted: Mon, Sep 3 2018, 8:30 PM EST
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I guess it's cool he feels bad about it but why do we have to share his guilt..?? Think
cacman Offline
#279 Posted: Tue, Sep 4 2018, 12:18 AM EST
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6 freakin' pages.., and still going?

Who monekyed this up?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#280 Posted: Tue, Sep 4 2018, 7:55 AM EST
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cacman wrote:
6 freakin' pages.., and still going?

Who monekyed this up?



LOL!!!!Frying pan Frying pan Frying pan

https://youtu.be/dx510YpDWlo
HuckFinn Offline
#281 Posted: Wed, Sep 5 2018, 12:02 PM EST
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Final thoughts:

TG, as always your comment/refutation contains just enough truth in it to convince you that you're right: Blacks don't always use the N word affectionately. Duh.
But they do usually. Unless of course you think rappers and Black comedians don't like to eat and are trying to alienate their audiences, their meal tickets. When they say the N word it's not racist unless they're self-hating Black men. Which I'll grant you might sometimes, but very rarely, be the case, right? When White folks say it they're racist. I disagree with you that you don't have to be a racist White guy to say a racist word. You say I'm experiencing White guilt. Well, better White guilt than what I see you and others here expressing: white privilege.

Drafter, no, I am not a descendant of slave owners anymore than you're a descendant of the kkk who lynched blacks. Assuming you're not...?


RMANN, picturing you c/p all of dictionary.com's synonyms of chit made me laugh. Thanks first of all. Secondly, you're right about when slavery ended, 150 something years ago. But you neglect to add that for the last 150 years there has remained a serious struggle. The civil rights bill wasn't passed during the JFK administration. The atrocities perpetrated on Blacks in the south and other places US has been well-documented throughout these decades. If you care to research it. Start with W.E.B. Dubois.
RMAN4443 Offline
#282 Posted: Wed, Sep 5 2018, 12:38 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Final thoughts:

TG, as always your comment/refutation contains just enough truth in it to convince you that you're right: Blacks don't always use the N word affectionately. Duh.
But they do usually. Unless of course you think rappers and Black comedians don't like to eat and are trying to alienate their audiences, their meal tickets. When they say the N word it's not racist unless they're self-hating Black men. Which I'll grant you might sometimes, but very rarely, be the case, right? When White folks say it they're racist. I disagree with you that you don't have to be a racist White guy to say a racist word. You say I'm experiencing White guilt. Well, better White guilt than what I see you and others here expressing: white privilege.

Drafter, no, I am not a descendant of slave owners anymore than you're a descendant of the kkk who lynched blacks. Assuming you're not...?


RMANN, picturing you c/p all of dictionary.com's synonyms of chit made me laugh. Thanks first of all. Secondly, you're right about when slavery ended, 150 something years ago. But you neglect to add that for the last 150 years there has remained a serious struggle. The civil rights bill wasn't passed during the JFK administration. The atrocities perpetrated on Blacks in the south and other places US has been well-documented throughout these decades. If you care to research it. Start with W.E.B. Dubois.


153 years ago....I researched it, and I believe I have mentioned the atrocities perpetrated on Blacks in the South and throughout the US....I also researched that too...
and I have no privilege, White Black or Green...I work for a living and try not to dwell on bad things that happened to me over the years....I don't think dwelling on a bad yesterday is going to make my tommorrow better
You on the otherhand, having been elected SPOKESMAN FOR ALL THINGS BLACK, think you have the inside track on things...
There must be some black people here on C-Bid, I never noticed what color any of the BOTL here are because it never mattered to me, only the conversations I've had....could someone give us some perspective, how do any of you guys/ladies feel....is Huck right, or are your interactions throughout the day just interactions all of us have everyday with people of all colors...Do you need Huck to plead your case? Does it offend you that as a white man I love the Blues...my collection is full of thousands of Black Blues artists...really, I love it...does that make me racist?...What are your opinions...does the fact that slavery happened 153 years ago mean that we can never be friends no matter what...will you hate me forever for something that happened 153 years ago,or even 50-60 years ago?
I try to live by the motto of DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE OTHERS DO UNTO YOU...can someone please let me know, am I a fool thinking I have FRIENDS who are BLACK, or do they all get together later and hate me as a group, laughing about what an idiot and azzhole I am...
Seriously, I'd like to know...
delta1 Offline
#283 Posted: Wed, Sep 5 2018, 3:56 PM EST
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153 years ago...slavery in the US was ruled illegal...and every white man was ordered to treat every black man civilly and equally...and they did...(sarcasm alert)

RMAN, you are right -- the golden rule should be the guide to life for everyone, period. I am certain that I would enjoy sitting down with you, having a drink and a smoke and conversation, just as I would like to do so with tail, or any other CBid brother. I've become good friends with MACS, with whom I share very little in common regarding politics, but we are simpatico in just about everything else. WE both are more than the politics...

By expressing my opinions, I do not accuse anyone here of being a racist...but if you identify with any of the racist behavior that has been alluded to...

as I said in an earlier post, I am making broad generalizations about race relations at present. We have come a long way in 153 years, but we have not accomplished it yet, imho...

and the progress gets set back when our nation's leader chooses to defend white nationalists (latter day Nazis, white supremacists), makes racially insensitive statements that get full support from the white nationalist alt right, and appoints a few to his administration ... all the while, antifa, (anti-fascist modern day Nazi fighters), are portrayed as scum of the earth...when did our collective values change so much that Nazis/anti-Semites/white supremacists are good and the people who stand up against them are bad?
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#284 Posted: Wed, Sep 5 2018, 4:03 PM EST
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and just so my last post doesn't have the feel of a "I have a black friend" tone, I also consider right/light opelmanta and weird right DrafterX to be friends...we've had good times while barely talking politics...
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#285 Posted: Wed, Sep 5 2018, 4:04 PM EST
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How many times have Trump's statement been clarified..?? People wearing masks and carrying bats are bad, or at least had bad intentions that day.. and those people were on both sides...
This just keeps on morphing... Mellow
delta1 Offline
#286 Posted: Wed, Sep 5 2018, 5:36 PM EST
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and Trump's responses kept on morphing...flavor of the week ... depending on who last whispered in his ear...

so we are left with his initial reaction as his honest unfiltered one: "...We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides. It's been going on for a long time in our country...."


the President is making a moral equivalent argument that white supremacist Nazis are the same as those who oppose them...

Our country joined the world in fighting the Nazis only two generations ago, not long before Trump's birth... the same Nazis who wanted to impose their beliefs on everyone and wipe out those who didn't fit their mold, starting with the Jews...
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#287 Posted: Wed, Sep 5 2018, 6:41 PM EST
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So the good people there were the ones who wanted to destroy the statue and rewrite history... Everyone else is a Nazi... Got it... Mellow
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#288 Posted: Wed, Sep 5 2018, 7:00 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
You say I'm experiencing White guilt. Well, better White guilt than what I see you and others here expressing: white privilege.

Still waiting to receive my "white privilege" from the guberment, along with that free iphone, internet, food, housing, and healthcare.I'd also like to receive an apology for the discrimination my Italian family experienced when they legally immigrated to this Country in 1905. Reparations for having to change our name and drop our language to better assimilate to American culture would be appreciated to.

"White Guilt" and "White Privilege" are racist terms coined by the black community to describe anyone that is not black. But apparently you don't have to be black to say them and insult others. Is their such thing as "Oriental Privilege"?

What a freakin' joke!

Signed,
"one others here expressing: white privilege"
formerly known as Dago or wop
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#289 Posted: Wed, Sep 5 2018, 7:07 PM EST
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No one's surprised where you're falling on this discussion cacman...

Mr "I'm going to high elevation because black people have sickle cell".... Big surprise you'd classify a term "white privilege" as racist....
HuckFinn Offline
#290 Posted: Wed, Sep 5 2018, 7:20 PM EST
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cacman wrote:
Still waiting to receive my "white privilege" from the guberment, along with that free iphone, internet, food, housing, and healthcare.I'd also like to receive an apology for the discrimination my Italian family experienced when they legally immigrated to this Country in 1905. Reparations for having to change our name and drop our language to better assimilate to American culture would be appreciated to.

"White Guilt" and "White Privilege" are racist terms coined by the black community to describe anyone that is not black. But apparently you don't have to be black to say them and insult others. Is their such thing as "Oriental Privilege"?

What a freakin' joke!

Signed,
"one others here expressing: white privilege"
formerly known as Dago or wop

You don't even know what White Privilege means.
In case you're interested:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege

BTW, slaves had their names changed by their owners and then put to work under pretty horrible conditions, right? Whipped. Separated from friends and family by force. My grandparents legally immigrated around the same time as yours. Assimilated as well. All by choice. Not brought here in chains. See a difference? Probably not..

Oh yeah, and the expression was not coined by Blacks. Or libs.

And I'm not trying to insult you or anyone.

My simple point remains: Black people are offended by the N word.
Some want to try and own the word. Defang it. And they don't want us, white people, using it.

What's the big magilla? You want to use the word? Use it!

DGAF
frankj1 Offline
#291 Posted: Wed, Sep 5 2018, 7:41 PM EST
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no opinions have changed.
frankj1 Offline
#292 Posted: Wed, Sep 5 2018, 7:43 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
You don't even know what White Privilege means.
In case you're interested:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege

BTW, slaves had their names changed by their owners and then put to work under pretty horrible conditions, right? Whipped. Separated from friends and family by force. My grandparents legally immigrated around the same time as yours. Assimilated as well. All by choice. Not brought here in chains. See a difference? Probably not..

Oh yeah, and the expression was not coined by Blacks. Or libs.

And I'm not trying to insult you or anyone.

My simple point remains: Black people are offended by the N word.
Some want to try and own the word. Defang it. And they don't want us, white people, using it.

What's the big magilla? You want to use the word? Use it!

DGAF

magila gorilla, or the other one?
HuckFinn Offline
#293 Posted: Wed, Sep 5 2018, 7:55 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
magila gorilla, or the other one?

There's another one?
frankj1 Offline
#294 Posted: Wed, Sep 5 2018, 8:02 PM EST
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HA!
RMAN4443 Offline
#295 Posted: Wed, Sep 5 2018, 8:48 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
no opinions have changed.

I'm still waiting to hear from some of the guys who actually have a " Black Perspective"...a real perspective,and not the one Huck keeps telling us he "researched"....
DrafterX Offline
#296 Posted: Wed, Sep 5 2018, 8:52 PM EST
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I know several black guys... Mellow
RMAN4443 Offline
#297 Posted: Wed, Sep 5 2018, 9:15 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I know several black guys... Mellow

Yeah,and did they elect Butthead to be their official Spokesmodel?
I find it hard to believe that a white guy,who calls himself Huck Finn,is the know all do all when it comes to how black people feel and what they want in 2018...
tailgater Offline
#298 Posted: Wed, Sep 5 2018, 10:04 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
There's another one?


Grape Ape.
frankj1 Offline
#299 Posted: Wed, Sep 5 2018, 10:05 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Grape Ape.


no, silly. Esther...not Aunt, but Queen.

magilla
tailgater Offline
#300 Posted: Wed, Sep 5 2018, 10:15 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Final thoughts:

TG, as always your comment/refutation contains just enough truth in it to convince you that you're right: Blacks don't always use the N word affectionately. Duh.
But they do usually. Unless of course you think rappers and Black comedians don't like to eat and are trying to alienate their audiences, their meal tickets. When they say the N word it's not racist unless they're self-hating Black men. Which I'll grant you might sometimes, but very rarely, be the case, right? When White folks say it they're racist. I disagree with you that you don't have to be a racist White guy to say a racist word. You say I'm experiencing White guilt. Well, better White guilt than what I see you and others here expressing: white privilege.

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Your fighting a false narrative.
I don't use the word. I find it offensive.
I just don't think that using it makes a person a racist.
Sorry you feel a single word defines a person.

I'm not jockeying for a right to use a foul term. I've got plenty at my disposal if I so choose.
So we're on the same page there.
But the word you fear has become a punchline, not a racist battle cry.
Not saying that's right or wrong. Just giving you the reality of the situation since you seem so lost in the academia of it all.
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