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Accredited homeschooling....
teedubbya Offline
#51 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
If we are going to measure the effectiveness of schools, we first need to determine what it is we want schools to accomplish in our children...

Are schools there strictly to provide an education? If so, then public schools are last on the list of effectiveness... I've met many homeschool children that were far smarter than anyone in this forum... i lived with a family whose homeschooled 15 year old was ranked in the top 100 chess players in the world... he was a genius and public school was a huge hindrance...

Are our schools supposed to provide social skills? If so, then home schools have to rank last... this kid was as socially retarded as they come... but a genius none the less... but public schools aren't far behind because, if l remember correctly, private school kids and home school kids haven't logged any school shootings yet...




did his grandma vote 600 times each election? thats all the proof i need. debate settled :)


not all public schools are comparable, not all private schools are comparable, and home schooling is at best extremely inconsistent.... sometimes done well sometimes not so much.

I know... I dun gadiated the sixth grade
opelmanta1900 Offline
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Dude, his grandma was ca-ca-crazy! She slept in the kitchen...
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Oh man, i also just remembered that his grandma had once been the priestess of a cult that her husband had started and she had a lot of difficulty remembering what had actually happened in the past and what she had made up... so she'd casually start conversations with crazy statements like "hey, remember that time those 2 angels helped us push our car when we broke down?" And then she'd wanna know if you remembered some mundane detail, like what year that car was or what kind of orchard they had broken down in front of... her question wouldn't have anything to do with the angels... they were unimportant details...
teedubbya Offline
#54 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Dude, his grandma was ca-ca-crazy! She slept in the kitchen...



Filling out all those ballots probably made her too tired to walk to the bedroom.
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And for the record, my point was not that homeschools are good or even better than public schools... just that if we're looking at academics alone, public schools are retard factories that tend to drag the intelligent down for the benefit of the average...
teedubbya Offline
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
And for the record, my point was not that homeschools are good or even better than public schools... just that if we're looking at academics alone, public schools are retard factories that tend to drag the intelligent down for the benefit of the average...



I know and I am up to absolutely nothing serious in here :)
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Just to bolster my argument, those turpin kids from California seem pretty well adjusted, and they were home schooled...
tailgater Offline
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I have a cousin with 16 kids.
Home schooled them all.
Each and every one has thus far gone on to things that would make any parent proud, and most others envious.
I doubt this is typical for ANY large family. But it works for them.

I'm sure there are bad home schools.
Like there are bad public schools.
In fact, it would go against all reason if there weren't.

Oh, sorry. Didn't mean to crush victor's point with such ease.


Does anyone here know a family that is home schooling?
I know several in addition to my cousin. And most appear to be doing fine both academically and socially.

I would never do it. Not in my DNA.
But most who fear it do so out of ignorance.

Well, that and an article from rawstory.


delta1 Offline
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I know a much larger number of success stories about grads from SoCal public schools...my own kids and their public schooled friends and nephew and niece, for examples...


at worst, public schools provide a structured environment where even the poorest among us can receive an education, a baseline that neither private schools nor home schooling can match...


at best, public schools is the engine that drives an innovative economy by providing enough well-prepared people to create a diverse and deep labor pool from which American businesses recruit in order to favorably compete at the top of the global economy...
victor809 Offline
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Huh... Tail thinks that he "crushed my point" with that statement?

Then perhaps his schooling was poor...

Maybe if you went back to the original post...?
I'm not even sure what "point" I was trying to make, other than "hey look at this sh&t guys! These questions on this ACCREDITED homeschool curriculum are ridiculous and super heavily religious"...

Z is the one who got his panties all twisted about that... I'm guessing because he was homeschooled...

As to your point? Sure any school will have greater or lesser quality based on the effort a teacher puts in (even homeschooling). But to have those questions in the accredited curriculum? That's a little bit of nonsense. You're ensuring that even a teacher who puts effort in is going to generate poor students.
tailgater Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Huh... Tail thinks that he "crushed my point" with that statement?

Then perhaps his schooling was poor...

Maybe if you went back to the original post...?
I'm not even sure what "point" I was trying to make, other than "hey look at this sh&t guys! These questions on this ACCREDITED homeschool curriculum are ridiculous and super heavily religious"...

Z is the one who got his panties all twisted about that... I'm guessing because he was homeschooled...

As to your point? Sure any school will have greater or lesser quality based on the effort a teacher puts in (even homeschooling). But to have those questions in the accredited curriculum? That's a little bit of nonsense. You're ensuring that even a teacher who puts effort in is going to generate poor students.


So your point was that one accredited home school has wacky questions?

It's no fun discussing things when you deny the obvious.
You were giddy because your link supported your belief that religious freaks are stupid and raise their kids to be stupid.




delta1 Offline
#62 Posted:
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and how is that belief any less legitimate than the belief that public schools are stupid places where stupid people send their kids to be educated...
victor809 Offline
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... I even capitalized the important words.... Jesus...

The point was that the accreditation process actually approved that curriculum. That means that someone interested in homeschooling, but looking for materials may assume those are qualified to teach a child. ... They may be like you, and lack the rational thought processes necessary to properly vet the material themselves... And their children will suffer.

Of course religious freaks are stupid. Do you think they aren't? But this had nothing to do with that. I doubt religious freaks would care much about accreditation. This is about someone getting religious freaks materials accredited so that they seem legitimate to the rest of the population.
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... I even capitalized the important words.... Jesus...

The point was that the accreditation process actually approved that curriculum. That means that someone interested in homeschooling, but looking for materials may assume those are qualified to teach a child. ... They may be like you, and lack the rational thought processes necessary to properly vet the material themselves... And their children will suffer.

Of course religious freaks are stupid. Do you think they aren't? But this had nothing to do with that. I doubt religious freaks would care much about accreditation. This is about someone getting religious freaks materials accredited so that they seem legitimate to the rest of the population.
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I attended a church for a short time that offered accredited theology classes... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
I attended a church for a short time that offered accredited theology classes... Mellow


accredited by whom? Does it even matter?
DrafterX Offline
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The accrediters I guess... Mellow
tailgater Offline
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victor809 wrote:
... I even capitalized the important words.... Jesus...

The point was that the accreditation process actually approved that curriculum. That means that someone interested in homeschooling, but looking for materials may assume those are qualified to teach a child. ... They may be like you, and lack the rational thought processes necessary to properly vet the material themselves... And their children will suffer.

Of course religious freaks are stupid. Do you think they aren't? But this had nothing to do with that. I doubt religious freaks would care much about accreditation. This is about someone getting religious freaks materials accredited so that they seem legitimate to the rest of the population.



What accreditation are you talking about?
The ACE program is self described as teaching about love for God as their PRIMARY goal. Education and making a living come a distant second.

The author of the link you embrace is a dolt.
Makes lots of claims how 4 years of an ACE curriculum ruined him. talk about drama queen.
In his own words:
"By the time I left, I was certain that it was against God’s will for governments to provide healthcare, evolution was a conspiracy to destroy Christianity, parents were morally required to spank their children, and science could prove that homosexuality was wrong."

All that.
In less than 4 years.

I don't care which 4 years he's talking about.
One thing is absolutely certain:
He's a liar.
Or a complete buffoon.
Or, most likely, both.







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I went to church once with the in-laws for Christmas Eve mass...

Most boring sh*t ever, not sure why anyone would want to do that once a week, let alone pay ten percent tithe for the performance.
bgz Offline
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I take that back, I would probably deem it worth it if I could get 500% return on my tithing from networking.
victor809 Offline
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? You cared what the author's opinion was?

As I pointed out earlier... What I find funny is the literal screenshots of the test materials. If you can't find those hilarious and ridiculous and scary... Then there's something wrong with you.

But... I was wrong. I thought the curriculum was accredited... I went back and I can't find any reference to that now... It is apparently a viable voucher recipient... But no accreditation that I can find.
DrafterX Offline
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That is a nice benefit the church offers... Maybe I could kick off my Professional Cuddler business in church... Think
tailgater Offline
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victor809 wrote:
? You cared what the author's opinion was?

As I pointed out earlier... What I find funny is the literal screenshots of the test materials. If you can't find those hilarious and ridiculous and scary... Then there's something wrong with you.

But... I was wrong. I thought the curriculum was accredited... I went back and I can't find any reference to that now... It is apparently a viable voucher recipient... But no accreditation that I can find.


But you're the one missing the point.
The ACE program isn't designed to teach. It's a program to love their god more deeply.
But you call them "literary questions" in an earlier retort.
they're not.

They're just misguided stupid and mildly funny multiple choice questions.
Posted by an angry drama queen with shet for brains.
And reposted by our lovable VictorXXX.

The interwebs are full of funny things. this one barely registers.
victor809 Offline
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.... I don't think I called then "literary" questions tail... I'm pretty sure if I did that was a mistyping of "literal".... And the only reason I had to spell out that it was the questions themselves I found so funny is because everyone else got all wrapped up over the source. Source doesn't really matter much when you have the raw data.

And yes.... They are literal questions.

And apparently they are designed to teach. Go to the ace website... They discuss using their materials for.homeschooling.... you know... As a replacement for real information.
tailgater Offline
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victor809 wrote:
.... I don't think I called then "literary" questions tail... I'm pretty sure if I did that was a mistyping of "literal".... And the only reason I had to spell out that it was the questions themselves I found so funny is because everyone else got all wrapped up over the source. Source doesn't really matter much when you have the raw data.

And yes.... They are literal questions.

And apparently they are designed to teach. Go to the ace website... They discuss using their materials for.homeschooling.... you know... As a replacement for real information.


My bad. You are correct, the term you used was indeed "literal".

Back on point:
Your first post says "explains some things" or something like that.
If your only intent was to show funny stupid questions, then your words don't make sense. What does it explain?
Unless your point is to poke fun at a group of people.
Is it the the home school crowd? Because this would be a tiny minority within that demographic.
Or just Christian home schoolers? Again, most don't subscribe to ACE.

And I can't emphasize enough: you only know about these dumb-azz questions because the person who wrote the article is a brain dead drama queen with an agenda.
Indoctrinated by 4 years of stupid multiple choice questions.
This fact can't be ignored.

So to recap:
There is no accreditation.
ACE does not purport to be an education-first source of learning.
ACE DOES admit to pushing their own religious agenda.
Some home schools use these questions when teaching their kids about their god.
Somehow these dumb-azz questions made it past several states funding boards for the voucher program.

Yeah.
Explains a lot...
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Only quickly skimmed the thread, might not be bringing anything to the table.

When I dropped out of high school after sophomore year my parents pushed hard for me to homeschool over a GED. I said fine, I'll knock out everything and be done with it. They bought all Christian perspective books for learning. I gave it about a week of lightly reading the materials but it was more about indoctrination than education. I wouldn't do it.

One of the main reasons I dropped out of school was they insisted on sending me to a private Christian school, though I'd been asking to go to public school since junior high. To homeschool under that curriculum is unfair to the child who is stuck in this protected one-view bubble until they're an adult and experience the real world. Puts you at a real disadvantage and gives a big culture shock.

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how did you end up with your nursing degree?
opelmanta1900 Offline
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he killed a guy named dan...
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wicked smaht
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frankj1 wrote:
how did you end up with your nursing degree?


GED and then 5 years of college
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Hmm... I did think it explained some things.
Apparently not enough for you to find it amusing.

It's a religious based homeschooling curriculum. It may only be a small percentage, but given that there is no oversight (I incorrectly thought it was accredited, but apparently even worse there is no accreditation at all) this is not likely the only one which is this bad.

The test materials are absolutely horrendous... It isn't just religious, it is flying in the face of logic. There are fundamental concepts of thinking which are not just ignored, but beaten, abused and their dead bodies raped in the town square for anyone to see...

I found it amusing.... And it gave me concern, because I have a cousin who moved his wife and dozen children to Belize to homeschool them in the jungle. My uncle has always said they are doing great, but given what this religious groups test materials are like I would be concerned that they don't have a proper measure by which to determine if they are doing well.

What do you think the odds are that this is the only religious homeschooling which is that terrible?

Oh... And your entire "you only know about these..."... Duh. No one knows about something going on until another person decides to pass that information along... What is your point? That I received information? Oh my God ....
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Who are you talking to?
victor809 Offline
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I dunno....
opelmanta1900 Offline
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You should go visit your cousin and see for yourself... who knows, you might find the curriculum unbelizeable...
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.... That just made my head hurt.
victor809 Offline
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You know bad puns give the dead baby jesus syphilis...
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I always thought it was groinarhea...
victor809 Offline
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Maybe herpatitis p?
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I should have paid more attention in my homeschooling.... I'm sure there's an ace question about it
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danmdevries wrote:
GED and then 5 years of college

not the easy route...proud of ya!
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Oh, so killing a guy named Dan who's already done all the work and seamlessly assuming his identity is "the easy route", huh?
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I may have misspoke.
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victor809 wrote:
Hmm... I did think it explained some things.
Apparently not enough for you to find it amusing.

It's a religious based homeschooling curriculum. It may only be a small percentage, but given that there is no oversight (I incorrectly thought it was accredited, but apparently even worse there is no accreditation at all) this is not likely the only one which is this bad.

The test materials are absolutely horrendous... It isn't just religious, it is flying in the face of logic. There are fundamental concepts of thinking which are not just ignored, but beaten, abused and their dead bodies raped in the town square for anyone to see...

I found it amusing.... And it gave me concern, because I have a cousin who moved his wife and dozen children to Belize to homeschool them in the jungle. My uncle has always said they are doing great, but given what this religious groups test materials are like I would be concerned that they don't have a proper measure by which to determine if they are doing well.

What do you think the odds are that this is the only religious homeschooling which is that terrible?

Oh... And your entire "you only know about these..."... Duh. No one knows about something going on until another person decides to pass that information along... What is your point? That I received information? Oh my God ....


You received "information" from a brain dead drama queen with an agenda.
I've said this already.
try to keep up.

And if you think that all or even most home schooling is this bad, then it's you who has to reevaluate some things.
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Again tail.... When you have the raw data (images of the test questions) it doesn't matter whether you were told by a drama queen or from dead baby Jesus.... You may as well stop beating that dead horse.

And where did I say "all"? I find it funny that you add that in to make your argument. It's a very different argument if you replace that word. Clearly reading comprehension is not your strong suit.... Ironic that it would be on a homeschooling thread... Perhaps if you were homeschooled you would be taught to key in on those important words. I mean... I screwed up once in this thread... This is your second failure at reading things properly.
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To throw tail a bone... (Or to put a bone in tail?... I dunno reading is hard)... If I were held to a position, I would say that I suspect specifically religious oriented homeschooling. I don't know what percentage that is of all homeschooling, so I wouldn't say "all or even most" homeschooling.

But I'm sure tail will be around to misread this as well.
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Well, that certainly explains some things...


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