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delta1 Offline
#1 Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2018, 4:53 PM EST
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When those whom you trust to go to work for you are found guilty of criminal behavior, what does that say about you?
bgz Offline
#2 Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2018, 5:23 PM EST
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I would say ask Ronald Reagan or Gerald Ford, but they're dead... Elder Bush is alive, but he probably wouldn't take your call.

Obviously Bob Dole didn't quite make the cut, but I guess you could ask him... he would probably take your call.

I'm sure I've hired people in the past that might have had some criminal inclinations (I've hired a lot of people over the years, I'm sure at least one did something wrong)... if they did, I didn't know about it, and they didn't do anything to me.

So I have to disagree with your assessment... something about the sins of your 1099 recipients or something or another.
deadeyedick Offline
#3 Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2018, 5:43 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
When those whom you trust to go to work for you are found guilty of criminal behavior, what does that say about you?


I'm not sure it says anything unless you were aware of that criminal behavior and still employed them.

Maybe it says something about those who would associate blame to the one who hired him?Think
delta1 Offline
#4 Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2018, 6:25 PM EST
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There are still some Nixon followers who believe that he was wrongly forced from office...
Mr. Jones Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2018, 6:36 PM EST
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#see my #4 post on delta1 's Cohen post...

My same reply :

"Print here"

Somebody please cut and paste it here...
I don't know how...
delta1 Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2018, 6:40 PM EST
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#4 post on delta1 's Cohen post...

Mr. Jones wrote:
I'm still waiting ...

For my call from MR. TRUMP AND MR. PENCE...

YOUR ONLY WAY OUT NOW...

IS A 1970'S FULL BORE INTELLIGENCE AND FEDERAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT PRACTICES CONGRESSIONAL HEARING...

INDICT MUELLER AND COMEY ON FIRST DEGREE MURDER WHILE OVERSEEING THE FBI-SSG DIVISIONS GANGSTALKING PROGRAM.

HEY TRUMP AND PENCE...

"I'M YOUR O.N.L.Y. HUCKLEBERRY NOW"

YOUR
GANGSTALKING POSTERBOY

SIGNED,
THE INNOCENT SAINT
😇😇😇
HuckFinn Offline
#7 Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2018, 6:55 PM EST
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Trump was probably right when he said he could 'stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose any voters'.

First he lied about Stormy, said he never heard of her. Then when tapes were released where he's instructing Cohen to pay her $130,000 with cash, he admits it. And now his supporters need to believe he's not involved in a criminal act of hiding what could have derailed his presidential run. Now Cohen's going to jail partly for running errands for Donald. Cohen, the guy who told Hillary her jail time would be paid for by taxpayers. Poetic justice!

Manaford. Also going to jail for running errands for Donald. Flynn. 12 Russian intelligence officers indicted. Papadopoulos. All these people committed crimes that benefitted the 5th Ave. Shooter and yet, somehow, his apologists refuse to see the truth. They were taking orders from Donald. No one else benefitted from their criminal acts but Donald. Don't see the pattern, eh?

Some seem willing to allow a single charismatic, despotic, ambitious man's selfish and corrupt methods and lack of ethics take precedence over country? Nuts.

Wake up.
frankj1 Offline
#8 Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2018, 7:05 PM EST
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deadeyedick wrote:
I'm not sure it says anything unless you were aware of that criminal behavior and still employed them.


I've been saying for months that the Russian election meddling (now aknowledgeded just about everywhere as true) thingie will not be about votes changed magically, but will uncover yuuuge money for yuuuge influence.

This trial did not put Russian election meddling in court. But if we continue to press forward, perhaps all the "income" discovered in this case is a harbinger of why several certain individuals were selected to receive these sums in the first place...and these individuals ended up within arms reach of the POTUS.

Is it possible (I'm not messing with ya ded) they were hired BECAUSE of their criminal behavior? I got nuttin beyond the question, but I did see what has happened today (and we haven't started with Cohen et al yet) a long time ago.
victor809 Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2018, 7:31 PM EST
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.... Can we back up to where Huck called trump charismatic?

I think we really need to revisit that comment. Isn't there a better word to use here? Something which identifies the leader as a creepy bully and a particularly low intelligence and desire to troll amongst the followers?

I'm sure the Germans have a 10 syllable word for it.
frankj1 Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2018, 7:47 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
.... Can we back up to where Huck called trump charismatic?

I think we really need to revisit that comment. Isn't there a better word to use here? Something which identifies the leader as a creepy bully and a particularly low intelligence and desire to troll amongst the followers?

I'm sure the Germans have a 10 syllable word for it.

10 syllables or more, I'd say.
HuckFinn Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2018, 7:53 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
.... Can we back up to where Huck called trump charismatic?

I think we really need to revisit that comment. Isn't there a better word to use here? Something which identifies the leader as a creepy bully and a particularly low intelligence and desire to troll amongst the followers?

I'm sure the Germans have a 10 syllable word for it.

How else to explain his base?
delta1 Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2018, 9:43 PM EST
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ummm..........................maybe his base identifies with Trump's "all the very best people"...


their best reaction/outrage over these guilty pleas, besides "no Russia": "Manafort was charged only because of his connection to Trump"....kinda tells me that they are OK with anyone getting rich and stiffing the US (and all of us who pay our fair share of taxes) by not paying their fair share of taxes, in millions of dollars, using lies and fraud to do so...they said there was no crime here and seem to be saying there are many people doing just that, and maybe I (pundit) might be one of them...

this just exposes the "lie" that the IRS is coming after you if you cheat...

Oooops, I forgot...Trump famously said he's "smart" for not paying taxes...guess his base identifies with that as a positive attribute...
victor809 Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2018, 10:21 PM EST
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... yep... But other laws absolutely have to be prosecuted to the fullest extent..... Because they're costing the taxpayers money....
cacman Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2018, 10:28 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
When those whom you trust to go to work for you are found guilty of criminal behavior, what does that say about you?

Let's ask Oliver North.

He had his own TV show, and is now the President of the NRA, replacing Charlton Heston.

Ironic isn't it? Can't make this sh*t up! This IS our guberment!
Speyside Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 7:51 AM EST
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This really has nothing to do with Trump. Unless of course it is illegal to associate with someone who might be convicted of a felony a later date.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 7:59 AM EST
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Russia Russia Russia
DrafterX Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 8:25 AM EST
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Results of the investigation looking for a crime... Mellow
deadeyedick Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 8:26 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I've been saying for months that the Russian election meddling (now aknowledgeded just about everywhere as true) thingie will not be about votes changed magically, but will uncover yuuuge money for yuuuge influence.

This trial did not put Russian election meddling in court. But if we continue to press forward, perhaps all the "income" discovered in this case is a harbinger of why several certain individuals were selected to receive these sums in the first place...and these individuals ended up within arms reach of the POTUS.

Is it possible (I'm not messing with ya ded) they were hired BECAUSE of their criminal behavior? I got nuttin beyond the question, but I did see what has happened today (and we haven't started with Cohen et al yet) a long time ago.


Of course it's possible and maybe even probable. That is all conjecture at this point and does not answer the original question. I'm all for letting the process play out and hang those who are found guilty but not with "perhaps" and "possible".
dstieger Offline
#19 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 8:35 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
This really has nothing to do with Trump.


Really?

-It speaks to Trump's judgement
-The charges result from investigation into Trump campaign, which Manafort managed for a time
-The charges will absolutely affect Manafort's legal 'situation' going forward - - much of which will be explicitly about the Trump campaign

Had these charges been discovered, investigated and brought to trial well after/outside of the Mueller probe, I might agree with you. And....the crimes he was convicted of may not have anything to do with Trump. But the actual convictions at this point in time have everything to do with Trump.
Mr. Jones Offline
#20 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 8:44 AM EST
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I'LLLLLLLL
SAYYYYY
ITTTTTTT
AGAINNNNNN,

FOR THOSE WHO DIDNT CATCH IT THE FIRST TIME...OR ARE TOO DUMB TO UNDERSTAND MUELLERS TACTICS AND HISTORY...

MUELLER IS A SCUMBAG WHO SPECIALIZES IN TURNING GUILTY PEOPLE INTO R.A.T.S. TO SOLVE ANY CASE HE HAS IN FRONT OF HIM...

MUELLER WAS BUDDIES WITH WHITEY BOLGER FOR GOD SAKES...DOESN'T THAT TELL YOU ANYTHING?

MUELLER HAS BEEN ON THE "TURNING CONVICTS INTO RATS TRAIN" FOR OVER 40++ YEARS...
HE IS AN EXPERT AT IT...

TOO BAD MUELLER HAD DOZENS++OR HUNDREDS? OF INNOCENT U.S. CITIZENS KILLED BY HIS DIRECT INVOLMENT RUNNING THE FBI-SSG DIVISION....

^^^ THAT ...my friends...IS MUELLER'S ACHILLES H.E.E.L...

STILL WAITING ON MY CALL FROM "DONALD AND MIKE"
Speyside Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 9:19 AM EST
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Dave, I was speaking in terms of the OP. That Manafort is guilty has no bearing on what I think about Trump. He also worked for Reagan, Bush senior, and Dole. I think no less of them because Manafort worked for them. Manafort crimes that he was convicted for do not involve Trump. Where as Cohens elocution if true is particularly daming to Trump. Just my opinion.
dstieger Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 9:35 AM EST
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Gotcha.

So, maybe his widespread use is more an indictment of our current campaign/election system than of Trump, himself.

If the best way for candidates to get elected in this age is to hire managers with moral codes that any of us would find abhorrent, not to mention a complete lack of respect for our laws, nor any sense of how cheating on taxes screws every other law-abiding tax payer in the nation.....well, I guess it's another sign that we're all sorta fucked
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#23 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 9:46 AM EST
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It's not like he bought the DNC and had Bernie whacked or somethin... Mellow
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#24 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 9:53 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Gotcha.

So, maybe his widespread use is more an indictment of our current campaign/election system than of Trump, himself.

If the best way for candidates to get elected in this age is to hire managers with moral codes that any of us would find abhorrent, not to mention a complete lack of respect for our laws, nor any sense of how cheating on taxes screws every other law-abiding tax payer in the nation.....well, I guess it's another sign that we're all sorta fucked

Well said... it's a corrupt game played by corrupt players, the rules of which were created by former players who were and are also corrupt...
HuckFinn Offline
#25 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 10:04 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
This really has nothing to do with Trump. Unless of course it is illegal to associate with someone who might be convicted of a felony a later date.

Ya can't have it both ways. If Trump really is as smart as he and his base believe, he knew what Manaford was. If he's naive, he gets a pass. But, cmon!?

Who hires a guy like THIS? Manafort worked for an Angolan warlord, a Lebanese arms-dealer, the Pakistani spy agency that created the Taliban, the Putin-aligned president of Ukraine and a who’s-who of 1980s dictators. He helped enrich clients who left trails of death and destruction in their wakes. Oh and Bush, dole and reagan. When he was pretty fresh off the presses.
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/donald-trumps-campaign-manager-worked-for-warlords-arms-dealers-and-dictators-261626a143d8

Choosing Manaford to be the head of his election campaign? Who would do that? Someone who wants things done by the letter of the law? or someone who doesn't care about the rules and makes up his own as he goes. *see Cohen, Trump jr, Flynn, Gates, Papadopoulos,

There's a clear pattern here of cheating, lying and dirty money.

What we're witnessing is the 21st Century "BIG LIE":
repeat after me: witch hunt..now:no collusion...rinse and repeat....

(The big lie is the name of a propaganda technique, originally coined by Adolf Hitler in Mein Kampf, and denotes where a known falsehood is stated and repeated and treated as if it is self-evidently true, in hopes of swaying the course of an argument in a direction that takes the big lie for granted rather than critically questioning it or ignoring it.)


Note: Ivana Trump said in an interview that Donald kept copies of Adolf's speeches in a cabinet next to his bed. But really, who doesn't..

Taken together, the tip of the Mueller iceberg we've already witnessed, Donald's campaign calls to Russia to involve themselves, the guilty pleas of collusion, the dishonesty, his associates (associates bs, these were guys who worked FOR him) aaaall the king's men, everything!, it's hard to understand how any red-blooded nonpartisan American can still think he should remain president. This Trump is a stain on American History.


Hey, let him show us his taxes. Wake up my fellow Americans
DrafterX Offline
#26 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 10:14 AM EST
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Guilty pleas of collusion ehh.... Think
HuckFinn Offline
#27 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 10:23 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Guilty pleasure of collusion ehh.... Think

Drafter I started out wanting this collusion chit to get solved one way or the other and be done with it. I'd said a few times I'd hoped he was innocent for the country's sake.

But there's way too much evidence at this point.
That you don't see that and question a single thing about what we're all witnessing tells me that you made up your mind from the start too. And yours was closed.
frankj1 Offline
#28 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 12:31 PM EST
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deadeyedick wrote:
Of course it's possible and maybe even probable. That is all conjecture at this point and does not answer the original question. I'm all for letting the process play out and hang those who are found guilty but not with "perhaps" and "possible".

I agree.
Speyside Offline
#29 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 5:10 PM EST
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Huck, my opinion of Trump is that he should not be our president. I base that on his actions. Maniforts crimes do not as yet involve Trump. I find it illogical to base a viewpoint on information that Trump has no involvement in. If you want to say Trump associates with criminals I would agree 100%. Truthfully I think Don Jr and Jared do not get out of this clean. Nor do I think Trump does. But the system needs to play out. Innocent until proven guilty.
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#30 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 5:26 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Huck, my opinion of Trump is that he should not be our president. I base that on his actions. Maniforts crimes do not as yet involve Trump. I find it illogical to base a viewpoint on information that Trump has no involvement in. If you want to say Trump associates with criminals I would agree 100%. Truthfully I think Don Jr and Jared do not get out of this clean. Nor do I think Trump does. But the system needs to play out. Innocent until proven guilty.

I totally agree.
Mr. Jones Offline
#31 Posted: Thu, Aug 23 2018, 11:50 AM EST
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One nasty trump supporter BEOTCH who was on the jury...
"Outed herself" and has gone public...
She is real proud of herself for holding up the jury process and being the sole reason Manfort did not get the full
18 counts of guilty ( only got 7? Or 8?...not sure of the #'s)

The judge said he'd never release the jurors identities...
For the right amount of cash I bet the BEOTCH above will give you every jurors name address and phone number.

She's getting her 15 minutes...& she will break laws in doing so, what a HACK and wack job...who pick this idiotic wench anyway.
bgz Offline
#32 Posted: Thu, Aug 23 2018, 12:00 PM EST
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Pretty sure anyone who plays the game on either side is vulnerable prosecutors with an agenda.

Libs better watch out, if they fail, they're f*cked.
Mr. Jones Offline
#33 Posted: Thu, Aug 23 2018, 12:02 PM EST
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Paula Duncan is the broad schpeilling out all the secret trial info...but the FOX article is deceiving...
Paula tells the secrets but the FOX article doesn't say SHE WAS THE ONLY JUROR "HOLDOUT"

IT JUST SAYS THAT SHE SAID THERE WAS ONE.
SHE HAS A MAGA HAT, MAGA HAT IN HER BACK CAR WINDOW everyday she arrived at court, acted like a douche in the article , but there is a video interview ( I did not see that yet)...If she is playing a tell all and not admitting it was herself? It's prolly for some legal reason?
Mr. Jones Offline
#34 Posted: Thu, Aug 23 2018, 2:38 PM EST
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Watched the FOX VIDEO...

IT "SEEMS" LIKE PAULA DUNCAN was not? The hold out juror...she talks in several different tenses about this juror,
It is a very wired interview...
But I'm pretty sure Duncan was not the holdout...
But she is a busy body douche looking for her 15 minutes of fame and any quick $$$'s she can off this whole Manafort jury position...

I hope the judge slaps the bitch with a "GAG & Restrain FROM PUBLIC COMMENT order" ON FATTY PAULA DUNCAN WITH THE NOGGIN THE SIZE OF JUPITER...
Speyside Offline
#35 Posted: Thu, Aug 23 2018, 6:55 PM EST
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I wonder if Trump will pardon Manafort after the mid terms. I also wonder if Trump doesn't if Manafort will flip on him.
frankj1 Offline
#36 Posted: Thu, Aug 23 2018, 9:16 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Russia Russia Russia

this case against Manafort didn't have anything to do with Russian election meddling. Doubt Russia was even mentioned directly. That hasn't seen the light of day yet.

But stay tuned, because it did have a lot to do with the millions and millions and millions he made and hid/misreported/underreported from working for the election(!) of a pro Russian(!) candidate in Ukraine who won(!)...stuff that was on his resume before heading the Trump campaign.

Normally stuff neither you nor I would not consider positive. Probably no Americans, outside of the Communist Party.

I don't know anything about what Mueller has at this point, but I know no one else here does either.

One day we will all know. But we learned that what I wrote above about Manafort's funny money was proven in court...

We should all wait for the truth (which is not the truth...poor Rudy).

And for my (truly) good friend tail, I am not saying any of this with glee. It's really bad stuff we are going through.

Ironically, Russian meddling goals are achieved with almost any closing scene now.
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#37 Posted: Thu, Aug 23 2018, 9:22 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
I wonder if Trump will pardon Manafort after the mid terms. I also wonder if Trump doesn't if Manafort will flip on him.

he may not need to flip to hurt Trump, but the guy he tried to blame (Gates?) is looking like he is the honest one of the two, at least by the court, in what has been said about all this Red money.

A wise tripod said a long time ago it will not be about countable votes changed, but about the influence the money spent would have bought.
delta1 Offline
#38 Posted: Thu, Aug 23 2018, 9:23 PM EST
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Here are four of the more despicable people Manafort worked for:

Ferdinand Marcos
A front group for Filipino kleptocrat reportedly agreed to pay Manafort's firm $950,000 a year to maintain Marcos' power, according to Politico.

Jonas Savimbi
Manafort's firm was paid $600,000 to improve the image of the leader of the Angolan rebel group who humans rights groups have accused of using torture, according to Slate.

Mobutu Sese Seko
Manafort's firm signed a $1 million per year contract to improve public relations for the military dictator of the Democratic Republic of the Congo, according to The Washington Post.

Viktor Yanukovych
Manafort worked as an advisor on Yanukovych's Urkrainian presidential campaign. Yanukovych has been closely tied to Vladmir Putin, according to the Washington Post.


According to Trump...all the best people...
delta1 Offline
#39 Posted: Thu, Aug 23 2018, 9:33 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
I wonder if Trump will pardon Manafort after the mid terms. I also wonder if Trump doesn't if Manafort will flip on him.



Manafort will elect to keep his mouth shut and stay in prison...he aint cutting any deals or flipping on Trump...I said awhile ago that he's more afraid of the Russian mob and the huge amounts of money he still owes them...

why do you think he worked on Trump's campaign for free? He was angling to help elect Trump so he would be able to relieve Russian sanctions for the benefit of the oligarchs to whom he owed money...

I think he purposely threatened some witnesses so he'd be put in jail before trial...
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#40 Posted: Thu, Aug 23 2018, 9:35 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Here are four of the more despicable people Manafort worked for:

Ferdinand Marcos
A front group for Filipino kleptocrat reportedly agreed to pay Manafort's firm $950,000 a year to maintain Marcos' power, according to Politico.

Jonas Savimbi
Manafort's firm was paid $600,000 to improve the image of the leader of the Angolan rebel group who humans rights groups have accused of using torture, according to Slate.

Mobutu Sese Seko
Manafort's firm signed a $1 million per year contract to improve public relations for the military dictator of the Democratic Republic of the Congo, according to The Washington Post.

Viktor Yanukovych
Manafort worked as an advisor on Yanukovych's Urkrainian presidential campaign. Yanukovych has been closely tied to Vladmir Putin, according to the Washington Post.


According to Trump...all the best people...

well, knowing that gave me more confidence to assume DMV would agree with me and most Americans about Manafort's resume...before he got the Trump campaign manager job.
delta1 Offline
#41 Posted: Fri, Aug 24 2018, 12:40 PM EST
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Trump knew Manafort from the 1980's, when Manafort became the Trump Organization's lobbyist...he's owned an apartment at the Trump Towers in NY for more than 12 years, rubbing elbows with all the Russian oligarchs who also own apartments there...

Trump didn't need to Google Manafort before he hired him...he knew exactly what he was getting...and Trump's own relationships with shady Russian oligarchs also goes way back, to when American banks stopped loaning him money because of his history of bankruptcies, forcing Trump to look for loans to finance his real estate empire from Russians...

A lot of this stuff was well-known, but some people still voted for this con man, and still have his back...


I surmise that during the election campaign, Manafort/Trump got the RNC to soften a platform plank regarding lethal weapons for the Ukrainian rebels fighting Russia as a down payment for his Russian debt and for the Russian's continued campaign help...
Mr. Jones Offline
#42 Posted: Fri, Aug 24 2018, 9:40 PM EST
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All's I can say is...#38 delta1's post...

If MANAFORT was helping all those despots and dictators...

Can you E.V.E.N. IMAGINE THE WILD FULL OF HIGH CLASS WHORES, BLOW AND 200 YR OLD COGNAC PARTIES THAT GUY HAS BEEN TOO?

I BET MANAFORT COULD REALLY TELL SOME WILD PARTY STORIES...and then some...he has seen the wildest parties of any American man...short of the Rockefellers and the DEEP STATE BOHEMIAN GROVE HIGHER UPS...
DrafterX Offline
#43 Posted: Fri, Aug 24 2018, 9:45 PM EST
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Like Ozzy..?? Huh
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#44 Posted: Fri, Aug 24 2018, 9:58 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Trump knew Manafort from the 1980's, when Manafort became the Trump Organization's lobbyist...he's owned an apartment at the Trump Towers in NY for more than 12 years, rubbing elbows with all the Russian oligarchs who also own apartments there...

Trump didn't need to Google Manafort before he hired him...he knew exactly what he was getting...and Trump's own relationships with shady Russian oligarchs also goes way back, to when American banks stopped loaning him money because of his history of bankruptcies, forcing Trump to look for loans to finance his real estate empire from Russians...

A lot of this stuff was well-known, but some people still voted for this con man, and still have his back...


I surmise that during the election campaign, Manafort/Trump got the RNC to soften a platform plank regarding lethal weapons for the Ukrainian rebels fighting Russia as a down payment for his Russian debt and for the Russian's continued campaign help...

I know. And Cohen owning units in the building too...while working with Russian mobsters and clients with taxi medallion crap.

Before he died, my grandfather told me "don't hang around with chit".
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#45 Posted: Fri, Aug 24 2018, 10:16 PM EST
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When the "sheeple" in both sides finally wake up will we finally restore our GREAT REPUBLIC to what our founding fathers envisioned!!!!
DrafterX Offline
#46 Posted: Fri, Aug 24 2018, 10:29 PM EST
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I've been trying man... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#47 Posted: Fri, Aug 24 2018, 10:30 PM EST
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I really don't disagree, but I'd like to add that despite everything, I love living here.
DrafterX Offline
#48 Posted: Fri, Aug 24 2018, 11:23 PM EST
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Me too.... I've seen alternatives... Altho I'd prolly be cool there.. Mellow
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#49 Posted: Sat, Aug 25 2018, 2:58 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Like Ozzy..?? Huh


More like Harriet Mellow
delta1 Offline
#50 Posted: Sat, Aug 25 2018, 11:24 AM EST
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yah...America is plenty great enough to withstand the Trump sledgehammer being wielded on its core values and law enforcement institutions...the response to him has been breath-taking...and we're not even to half time yet...tragedies like this have memorable and dramatic second halves as they play out...there are gonna be some surprise characters who get axed...


are we on the verge of a "Pensive" moment?
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