America's #1 Online Cigar Auction
first, best, biggest!

Last post 5 years ago by delta1. 58 replies replies.
2 Pages12>
Lock him up
Jump to Bottom | Previous Topic | Next Topic
teedubbya Offline
#1 Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2018, 8:13 PM EST
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
Hillary should be in jail and is no longer relevant. I appreciate those that want law and order.

It’s now pretty obvious Trump should be in jail too.

I’m sure folks will join me in the lock him up chants.
frankj1 Offline
#2 Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2018, 9:12 PM EST
Joined: 02-08-2007
Posts: 44,215
pity post...


and good luck with that.
Mr. Jones Offline
#3 Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2018, 9:29 PM EST
Joined: 06-12-2005
Posts: 19,419
#1 ^^^^

That will never happen...

I'm his "ACE IN THE HOLE" AND HIS HUCKLEBERRY...
frankj1 Offline
#4 Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2018, 9:33 PM EST
Joined: 02-08-2007
Posts: 44,215
he ain't calling.
delta1 Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2018, 9:54 PM EST
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,778
It took the GOP, the people and the officeholders, a long time before they recognized that Nixon WAS a crook...history is repeating itself with Trump...
victor809 Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2018, 10:23 PM EST
Joined: 10-14-2011
Posts: 23,866
.... Hehe.... The sound of those crickets is deafening.
deadeyedick Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 11:04 AM EST
Joined: 03-13-2003
Posts: 17,075
When and if he is found guilty lock him up. Most likely won't happen while he is in office unless by recall.
HuckFinn Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 11:32 AM EST
Joined: 07-10-2017
Posts: 2,044
I take zero pleasure in all this Trump mess.

Hard as it probably is for some of you to believe, I didn't want to be right about trump.

We all love this country. Let's wait out results and try to stay open-minded.

In the end, he's just a man. We're a country.
teedubbya Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 11:34 AM EST
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
deadeyedick wrote:
When and if he is found guilty lock him up. Most likely won't happen while he is in office unless by recall.



Agreed. Also agreed about Hillary.....other than the in office part. That was really the point. The lock her up chants and drafteresque rants were/are silly. Same is true about trump. Its fun to watch some apply a different filter based on their political leanings yet claim to be objective and those trying to be objective are called horrible names like liberal LOL
DrafterX Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 11:39 AM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,536
Liberal... Mad
teedubbya Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 11:43 AM EST
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
DrafterX wrote:
Liberal... Mad



OhMyGod


im glad CROS is missing. I never liked him.
DrafterX Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 11:43 AM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,536
Hardly equal.. Hillary's cronies were granted immunity to crimes that liberals claim never happened... Trump's cronies are getting locked up for crimes that have nothing to do with the investigation... But other than that.. ya equal I guess... Not talking
teedubbya Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 11:43 AM EST
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
I'm sorry
DrafterX Offline
#14 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 11:44 AM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,536
teedubbya wrote:
OhMyGod


im glad CROS is missing. I never liked him.




OhMyGod
teedubbya Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 11:44 AM EST
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
DrafterX wrote:
Hardly equal.. Hillary's cronies were granted immunity to crimes that liberals claim never happened... Trump's cronies are getting locked up for crimes that have nothing to do with the investigation... But other than that.. ya equal I guess... Not talking



so she is guilty but they are not.

got it.

and trump isn't either.

seems objective.
DrafterX Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 11:48 AM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,536
If Trump is guilty of somethin impeach him... Or just tell him he was a little careless... Either way.. Mellow
HuckFinn Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 11:53 AM EST
Joined: 07-10-2017
Posts: 2,044
DrafterX wrote:
If Trump is guilty of somethin impeach him... Or just tell him he was a little careless... Either way.. Mellow

A little careless? The way my uncle Bob was a little careless, bumped in to a 16yo and got her pregnant?
teedubbya Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 11:55 AM EST
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
DrafterX wrote:
If Trump is guilty of somethin impeach him... Or just tell him he was a little careless... Either way.. Mellow



Or we could just let things play out and quit calling people guilty because we don't like them.

Trump deserves the benefit of the doubt he and flynn did not give to Hill Dog... oh wait... Flynn actually IS guilty
bgz Offline
#19 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 12:00 PM EST
Joined: 07-29-2014
Posts: 13,023
First, I don't see how paying off some ho out of your own pocket is a crime...

I've been keeping up on this stuff, I'm not seeing where a crime occurred.

Second, when you hire representation, they give you options, you pick the course of action they advise you to take, and that's it.

When I hire an attorney or some other professional in a field I have no experience in... I give them the input they ask for, they take that input and come up with a plan, then I do what they tell me to do.

I do this because I'm not an expert in their field and hire them because they are an expert in their field.

If the attorney screwed up, then that's on the attorney, not me... all I did is follow the advice of a paid professional.

With that, hey have nothing on Trump.
DrafterX Offline
#20 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 12:01 PM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,536
Do they normally grant immunity to innocent peoples..?? Think
dstieger Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 12:04 PM EST
Joined: 06-22-2007
Posts: 10,889
teedubbya wrote:
Or we could just let things play out and quit calling people guilty because we don't like them.

Trump deserves the benefit of the doubt he and flynn did not give to Hill Dog... oh wait... Flynn actually IS guilty


What was Flynn guilty of? I thought that he pleaded guilty to something that the investigators said he probably hadn't even done (lying to feds, maybe?)

If someone pleads guilty to something that they didn't do....are they guilty?
teedubbya Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 12:04 PM EST
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
Attorneys give advice. They don't absolve you of all responsibility. Same with accountants.

Campaign finance laws are convoluted at best. Its odd cohen plead guilty to a crime that doesn't exist. You would think he (being a lawyer) and his lawyer would know as much or more than those of us in here.
teedubbya Offline
#23 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 12:05 PM EST
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
dstieger wrote:
What was Flynn guilty of? I thought that he pleaded guilty to something that the investigators said he probably hadn't even done (lying to feds, maybe?)

If someone pleads guilty to something that they didn't do....are they guilty?



If you plead guilty, and it's adjudicated I'd go with you are guilty. We can get cutesie but in the end its pretty much guilty as charged. In this case I think he is a felon.

pleading guilty actually being not guilty sounds orwellian.
DrafterX Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 12:09 PM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,536
When does attorney/client privilege end..?? Did he have to tell them anything..?? Huh
dstieger Offline
#25 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 12:10 PM EST
Joined: 06-22-2007
Posts: 10,889
I guess my obtuse point was that the Flynn thing is...complicated

He hasn't been sentenced, afaik -- the fibbies said he probably wasn't actually lying to them....so...it looks like he was offered some sort of deal whereby we never learn what they had on him....maybe in order to see what dirt he has on someone else...weird...and I don't know if anyone outside of Flynn, FBI'ers and maybe Mueller know what's really going on
teedubbya Offline
#26 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 12:11 PM EST
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
DrafterX wrote:
When does attorney/client privilege end..?? Did he have to tell them anything..?? Huh



Not sure what that has to do with anything we've discussed in here but I can't answer that for you.
bgz Offline
#27 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 12:13 PM EST
Joined: 07-29-2014
Posts: 13,023
I would argue there's certainly a level of conflict of interest here seeing how the Cohen is using a known leftist as an attorney which was likely pushing for a plea with a leftist agenda.

Just because the attorney plead guilty to a "campaign finance" charge, doesn't mean it actually happened. It means the two attorneys negotiating the deal got together and agreed to the charges (whether or not they actually happened) and the client of the defense attorney signed it.

X plead guilty to Y does not imply X actually did Y, therefore you can't implicate Z based on X doing Y.
teedubbya Offline
#28 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 12:13 PM EST
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
dstieger wrote:
I guess my obtuse point was that the Flynn thing is...complicated

He hasn't been sentenced, afaik -- the fibbies said he probably wasn't actually lying to them....so...it looks like he was offered some sort of deal whereby we never learn what they had on him....maybe in order to see what dirt he has on someone else...weird...and I don't know if anyone outside of Flynn, FBI'ers and maybe Mueller know what's really going on



He hasn't been sentenced because his cooperation will come in to play, but he has been adjudicated as guilty. he is guilty in the eyes of the law where as Trump and Hill dog are not at this point.

And yes his case is complicated. Apparently he and his representation agreed enough to his guilt to plead as such. Anything else is gyrations.
DrafterX Offline
#29 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 12:13 PM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,536
Was thinking about the Cohen thread I guess.. Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#30 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 12:15 PM EST
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
bgz wrote:
I would argue there's certainly a level of conflict of interest here seeing how the Cohen is using a known leftist as an attorney which was likely pushing for a plea with a leftist agenda.

Just because the attorney plead guilty to a "campaign finance" charge, doesn't mean it actually happened. It means the two attorneys negotiating the deal got together and agreed to the charges (whether or not they actually happened) and the client of the defense attorney signed it.

X plead guilty to Y does not imply X actually did Y, therefore you can't implicate Z based on X doing Y.




You can argue COI but my guess is you will lose. I think its a weak argument based on wishes and dreams rather than law.

What it means is cohen is guilty. It does not mean Trump is yet. That was actually my point. Hillary is not guilty as of yet either.
teedubbya Offline
#31 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 12:16 PM EST
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
DrafterX wrote:
Was thinking about the Cohen thread I guess.. Mellow



I think the attny client privilege was addressed pretty clearly by the court appointed firewall that went through everything before letting the prosecution see it. Anything short of that sets up a nice appeal. My guess is the screaming of that is political rather than legal.

my opinion of course (they all stink and such)
DrafterX Offline
#32 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 12:22 PM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,536
I was just curious.. what's done is done.. Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#33 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 12:36 PM EST
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
He's a scum bag anyway you look at it. Interesting to me such a fine upstanding man as T would surround himself with folks like him. He was prolly just being nice and stuff.
RMAN4443 Offline
#34 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 1:37 PM EST
Joined: 09-29-2016
Posts: 7,683
HuckFinn wrote:
A little careless? The way my uncle Bob was a little careless, bumped in to a 16yo and got her pregnant?


That's not careless, that's known as pedophilia, or statutory rape at the least...Not talking
RMAN4443 Offline
#35 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 1:39 PM EST
Joined: 09-29-2016
Posts: 7,683
DrafterX wrote:
Do they normally grant immunity to innocent peoples..?? Think

Do innocent people even need immunity???Think
bgz Offline
#36 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 3:29 PM EST
Joined: 07-29-2014
Posts: 13,023
teedubbya wrote:
If you plead guilty, and it's adjudicated I'd go with you are guilty. We can get cutesie but in the end its pretty much guilty as charged. In this case I think he is a felon.

pleading guilty actually being not guilty sounds orwellian.



That's not always true. There's a lot of innocent people in prison, on probation, or even just as simple as having had to pay a fine because prosecutors scared them into making a plea deal.

Just because someone made a plea deal does not mean they actually did what ever it is they agreed to say they did.

It means just that, they agreed to say they are guilty so that they don't have to face the possibility of a far heftier penalty.

Prosecutors will scare people into plea deals to go after bigger fish... are you naive enough to think people won't make up stories to throw whoever they're after under the bus if it means saving their own ass?

And bringing up Orwell, his vision is no where near what it actually is... it's worse than anything he ever thought up.

So no, pleading guilty does not imply actual guilt.


One time when I was younger, a cop gave me a ticket for an accident I wasn't even in. The judge said are you sure you don't want to fight this, you'll most likely win...

I was like, nah, I don't want to mess with it. He gave me a $50 dollar fine and sent me on my way (prosecutor didn't look happy about that).

I plead guilty, I didn't do sh1t. It happens.
delta1 Offline
#37 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 4:00 PM EST
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,778
I dunno....Trump does not seem to be the type to plead guilty to anything anytime...let alone for convenience, expediency or whatever other rationale...

he still thinks the Central Park Five should be dead, that Obama was born in Nigeria, there were fine people on both sides and there was no collusion...
delta1 Offline
#38 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 4:04 PM EST
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,778
DrafterX wrote:
If Trump is guilty of somethin impeach him... Or just tell him he was a little careless... Either way.. Mellow


I think the House has already decided to take option B...
bgz Offline
#39 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 4:10 PM EST
Joined: 07-29-2014
Posts: 13,023
delta1 wrote:
I dunno....Trump does not seem to be the type to plead guilty to anything anytime...let alone for convenience, expediency or whatever other rationale...


I wasn't talking about Trump:/
HuckFinn Offline
#40 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 4:28 PM EST
Joined: 07-10-2017
Posts: 2,044
delta1 wrote:
I dunno....Trump does not seem to be the type to plead guilty to anything anytime...let alone for convenience, expediency or whatever other rationale...

he still thinks the Central Park Five should be dead, that Obama was born in Nigeria, there were fine people on both sides and there was no collusion...

Don't entirely agree. He orchestrated the collusion. Of course he knows.
After repeating his mantra 'no collusion' for close to 2 years, his supporters believe it.
But he knows exactly what took place.
delta1 Offline
#41 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 4:33 PM EST
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,778
you don't think he's deluded himself, after repeating that so many times....
delta1 Offline
#42 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 5:18 PM EST
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,778
DrafterX wrote:
When does attorney/client privilege end..?? Did he have to tell them anything..?? Huh


There is a legal exception to the attorney client privilege. The privilege doesn't apply when the subject of the conversation is about the intent to commit or cover up a crime or a fraud.
HuckFinn Offline
#43 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 5:23 PM EST
Joined: 07-10-2017
Posts: 2,044
delta1 wrote:
you don't think he's deluded himself, after repeating that so many times....

Well if he has he's crazier than I thought
Speyside Offline
#44 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 5:42 PM EST
Joined: 03-16-2015
Posts: 13,106
Drafter, I think Trump has more to worry about with Mcghans 30 hours with Mueller. Mcgahn represents the office of the president, not Trump, so there is no client attorney privilege. To the best of my knowledge Mcgahn is a well respected lawyer.

I think it is fair to question anything Cohen states. I would not find him believable without corroborating witnesses. Though I do think his elocution is daming to Trump.
DrafterX Offline
#45 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 6:31 PM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,536
Some legal guys on da radio were saying even if Trump did pay off the ladies it's not a crime... It's not good for his reputation but there's no crime here... Impeachment all depends on the election and even if left take control, Big If, they'd still need 2/3 of the Senate to get one... So, this is a nothing-burger... Mellow
bgz Offline
#46 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 6:45 PM EST
Joined: 07-29-2014
Posts: 13,023
Plain hamburgers suck Mad
delta1 Offline
#47 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 8:54 PM EST
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,778
DrafterX wrote:
Some legal guys on da radio were saying even if Trump did pay off the ladies it's not a crime... It's not good for his reputation but there's no crime here... Impeachment all depends on the election and even if left take control, Big If, they'd still need 2/3 of the Senate to get one... So, this is a nothing-burger... Mellow


yup...that would be a big stretch...would take about 18 (or more if any Dem Senate seats flip in Nov 2018 elections) GOP Senators to vote to convict...not likely...

The only shift that might happen is if Trump's poll numbers dip below 25%, showing public support for him has dropped into Nixon territory, for the GOP Congressmembers to risk abandoning him...
bgz Offline
#48 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 9:16 PM EST
Joined: 07-29-2014
Posts: 13,023
Just looked, consensus is 43. Would be higher if he was banging hot porn stars instead of the dumpster slut he had to pay off.
delta1 Offline
#49 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 9:23 PM EST
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,778
yah...too strong public support means Congress won't do anything...unless more stuff sticks...
Gene363 Offline
#50 Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2018, 10:33 PM EST
Joined: 01-24-2003
Posts: 30,799
Ohhh, the sad smell of desperation.
Users browsing this topic
Guest
2 Pages12>
Back to Top