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Democrats inflate death toll in Puerto Rico.
Speyside Offline
#51 Posted:
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Well, that didn't take to long. The obligatory gratuitous mention of Hillary.
DrafterX Offline
#52 Posted:
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Somebody had to do it... Laugh
Burner02 Offline
#53 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
Well, that didn't take to long. The obligatory gratuitous mention of Hillary.



Don't know if it was obligatory or not. Just stating the documented facts.

Guess you did not noticed that she wasn't being blamed for anything but you did help increase both our post count.
Speyside Offline
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I did notice she was being compared to Trump. While she is many things I do not like an emotional child certainly does not describe her. I am curious how that is something factual?
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Burner02 wrote:
Just curious Al, by stating "former ally" are you implying that Ricardo Rosselló at some point was a Trump supporter? Have not found any indications that Rosselló was ever a Trump supporter. FYI, Rosselló supported Clinton in 08 and Obama in 12.

Appears you may be confusing "former ally" with Rossellós praise for Trump's initial response to Hurricane Marie.



Bingo...he appeared with Trump on numerous occasions during the initial response to Maria, agreeing with Trump, who kept praising himself for, and asking Rossello to affirm, the great job FEMA was doing in PR...and he nodded his head appropriately every time Trump asked him to...
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Speyside wrote:
I did notice she was being compared to Trump. While she is many things I do not like an emotional child certainly does not describe her. I am curious how that is something factual?

I'm trying to find what office she held during the response to the devastation in PR
frankj1 Offline
#57 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
so what is the "conservative" death count?

second try...

is it still 18?
HuckFinn Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
second try...

is it still 18?

From CNN: Families of the 247 people whose deaths FEMA confirmed to be storm-related as of September 5 received a total of $565,882 in assistance from FEMA to cover some funeral and burial expenses, according to Dasha Castillo, a FEMA spokeswoman. As of that date, 3,005 people had applied for that assistance in relation to deaths that happened after Maria or Hurricane Irma, Castillo said.
Of those, more than 2,350 cases are "currently in various phases of review and processing," she said. And 420 applications have been rejected, she said. Most of those -- 369 -- were dismissed because the agency was unable to contact the person who filed the application despite multiple attempts, according to FEMA. Only 11 of those rejected claims were found to be unrelated to Hurricane Maria, Castillo said.
The figures, which were previously unreleased, raise new questions about the speed at which federal and territorial government officials are investigating and paying claims related to people who died in Hurricanes Maria and Irma; they also highlight an apparent disconnect between what Puerto Rico officials have been saying publicly about the storm deaths and what they may have known in private.
Pedro Cerame, spokesman for Puerto Rico Gov. Ricardo Rosselló's administration in Washington, told CNN that FEMA uses somewhat different criteria to classify storm-related deaths.
"FEMA has its own guidelines and protocols for this," he said.
Their process is not linked to the government of Puerto Rico, he said.
frankj1 Offline
#59 Posted:
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so FEMA spokeswoman Dasha Castillo is the Democrat inflating the figures?
Speyside Offline
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But Obama. ( Obligatory gratuitous mention. )
frankj1 Offline
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I still can't figure out what Dem source Trump is outing.
Evidently, without day two of googling, neither can his supporters.
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Speyside wrote:
I did notice she was being compared to Trump. While she is many things I do not like an emotional child certainly does not describe her. I am curious how that is something factual?



How so and by whom?

Notch another post count.
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#63 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
Bingo...he appeared with Trump on numerous occasions during the initial response to Maria, agreeing with Trump, who kept praising himself for, and asking Rossello to affirm, the great job FEMA was doing in PR...and he nodded his head appropriately every time Trump asked him to...



So, based on your thought process Chris Christie was an ally of Obama.

Who knew?
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He did praise Obama when NJ was recovering from Sandy, and was given a bunch of grief by many cons...he continued to buddy up with Obama as long as his state needed aid...

https://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/11/chrsitie_again_deflects_critic.html

in the face of life-threatening circumstances people are confronted by circumstances where they have to work together (form alliances - be allies) with people they would usually not consider allies, in order to survive...Christie did and so did the PR Gov. ...are they permanent allies...no... former allies?

I guess you wouldn't choose that description, but it fits...why does it trouble you that I chose that description?
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I agree with everything you said regarding emergency support. Any governor who is worthy of his/her position has to put the welfare of constituents first and partisan feelings aside especially in emergent situations.

Where I take issue is with your use of the word ally. In my estimation, an ally is going to be there for the long term and not just the short term.

Look, everyone on this forum knows you are a “Never Trump-er” and will always be. Your phraseology just seeks to maximize negative effect every single time.
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OK, I getcha...duration and loyalty fit into your definition of "ally"...so, in the case of Rosello, would these be more appropriate: a former expedient sycophant, a toad, a kiss-up, a foul weather friend...


...so the PR Gov is not a former ally of Trump's...not like Michael Cohen, Mike Flynn, George Papadapoulos, Rick Gates, Paul Manafort, Alan Weisselberg and David Pecker are all former Trump allies...
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In 48 Drafter did. Do you realize you said something is factual, and then say who said that? As far as the post count, really? I'm sure you can think of better than that. Anyhow thanks for the laughs.
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delta1 wrote:
OK, I getcha...duration and loyalty fit into your definition of "ally"...so, in the case of Rosello, would these be more appropriate: a former expedient sycophant, a toad, a kiss-up, a foul weather friend...


...so the PR Gov is not a former ally of Trump's...not like Michael Cohen, Mike Flynn, George Papadapoulos, Rick Gates, Paul Manafort, Alan Weisselberg and David Pecker are all former Trump allies...



Slow down Al, at this rate you will not make it to 2024.
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Speyside wrote:
In 48 Drafter did. Do you realize you said something is factual, and then say who said that? As far as the post count, really? I'm sure you can think of better than that. Anyhow thanks for the laughs.




Click, one more.
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Not sure why PR would withhold these numbers for so long.. one opinion I heard this morning was people were trying to cover their asses for not doing their jobs.. so it was downplayed.. Mellow
Mr. Jones Offline
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Google...

Naval station WATER ROTTING ON RUNWAY IN PUERTO RICO...

Skids "forever" of bad water never distributed
By the feds...

Waste of big money...
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DrafterX wrote:
Not sure why PR would withhold these numbers for so long.. one opinion I heard this morning was people were trying to cover their asses for not doing their jobs.. so it was downplayed.. Mellow



Not saying they are or they are not. More than a little corrupt at all levels of government in PR. Nothing they would do would surprise me.
DrafterX Offline
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water goes bad..?? Think
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DrafterX wrote:
water goes bad..?? Think

Maybe...

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/12/us/puerto-rico-bottled-water-dump-weir/index.html
DrafterX Offline
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so, someone said the water tasted funny and they have to return it all to FEMA... is there noone there who can open a bottle of water to smell and taste it..?? Brick wall
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I think they had child-proof caps
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When an island does not have power or running water it is probably pretty challenging to make sure the government knows who died in a timely manner.

That this information came in a delayed manner is not that surprising. The infrastructure for the island still hasn't been fully restored and it's been a year. Those living there have other priorities.
delta1 Offline
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Burner02 wrote:
Slow down Al, at this rate you will not make it to 2024.


lol...chances are, at this rate, I'll be done before 2020...Angel
delta1 Offline
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I don't think the death count was a subject of much interest until FEMA started processing the applications for death benefits, a process that is way down in the sequence of stages for a FEMA emergency response. This is part of the recovery/documentation stage... when the number exceeded expectations, somebody took exception...
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Death benefits..??Huh
DrafterX Offline
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how can they delay funeral expenses..?? does the money go to the family first of straight to the funeral home..?? I could see how a funeral home could benefit from this... Mellow
delta1 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Death benefits..??Huh


payments for medical and funeral expenses...benefits?
DrafterX Offline
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So, if a doctor claims the cause of death is related to last year's hurricane FEMA pays off... Think
frankj1 Offline
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do they just count da bodies immediately after the tornadoes leave town?
frankj1 Offline
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or the county fair?
DrafterX Offline
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Usually.. unless the Woofs get them first... Mellow
delta1 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
So, if a doctor claims the cause of death is related to last year's hurricane FEMA pays off... Think


it's called other needs assistance (OSA)...so besides benefits to help you re-build your home and repay you for disaster related expenses, including lost wages, FEMA has a category of payment called Other Needs Assistance; medical, dental, funeral etc.

We should ask Abrignac...he applied to FEMA and to the state of LA for emergency relief, following the flood damage to his home...
Mr. Jones Offline
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Sounds like a good way to "disappear" and start an alias
Existence....hmmmmmm
DrafterX Offline
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Yep... I saw you get washed out to see and swallowed up by manatees with lasers on their heads... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
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and I'm the beneficiary!
Mr. Jones Offline
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I'm gonna build a secret fort inside of all of those thousands of palates of "rotten water"....on that naval air station runway.

Nobody will look for me there..,
DrafterX Offline
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And you'll never be thirsty again... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
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Mr. Jones wrote:
I'm gonna build a secret fort inside of all of those thousands of palates of "rotten water"....on that naval air station runway.

Nobody will look for me there..,

good plan, but don't drink the water.
DrafterX Offline
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He can at least bathe in it can't he..?? Besides, he won't have a restroom.. those empty bottles will come in handy.. Mellow
frankj1 Offline
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I never thought of that.
This is why I need you.
delta1 Offline
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wonder if those tribes in Africa can use the water...
DrafterX Offline
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Puerto Rico could just throw them in da ocean.. they should arrive there is a month or so... Mellow
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