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victor809 Offline
#901 Posted: Tue, Oct 2 2018, 12:09 PM EST
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Zito...do you forget that Kennedy is a conservative judge appointed by Reagan.

You also forget, all the judges are ancient. The youngest is 58 the oldest is 85. Any of them could drop dead at any time. If you think the Dems are playing things so political,and just randomly assigning sexual assault charges to anyone to eliminate them as a candidate, then why wouldn't they assume they need that spot as well? It was well understood at the presidential election that the winner was likely going to get to appoint 2 judges possibly 3.

But again... Most importantly.... What did they possibly gain here?
In your mind they manufactured this assault charge to block kavanaugh, because he is replacing a swing vote. So? What did they gain? Trump can nominate another conservative and they gain nothing. This isn't 10 months from a presidential election, this is 2 years. Even if they sweep the midterms, they can't go 2 years without confirming. There is nothing to gain.

Take this for what it is. A dude, who all on his own has managed to live his life in a way that a number of women seem to think he did something which by today's standard is inappropriate.

I won't disagree that the Dems are amplifying this. Why wouldn't they? politically it's gold... The reps doubled down on him for some retarded reason, which allows a flashback to Alabama, where reps almost elected a dude with seriously questionable interest in young girls. This sort of stuff makes the rep party look bad and the Dems will keep pointing it out because that's good for them politically.

Me... I find it hilarious.
delta1 Offline
#902 Posted: Tue, Oct 2 2018, 12:35 PM EST
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not only that, but the accusation requires us to believe that Ford anticipated as far back as 2010, when she first mentioned to someone that she had been sexually assaulted, that someone she knew, in her past, would be in position to ascend to the highest Court...

Is there a con alive who can predict today that there will be a Dem President in 8 years and name the people on her/his shortlist for a possible SCOTUS nomination, let alone the actual name of the nominee? Cons accuse libs of all sorts of underhanded and devious behavior, but do libs really have this sort of supernatural malignant prescience?

This is where the birther stuff came from...
Abrignac Offline
#903 Posted: Tue, Oct 2 2018, 1:17 PM EST
Joined: 02-24-2012
Posts: 17,270
HuckFinn wrote:
Rather than open a serious, dead-end investigation they should just throw an all night beer party at Hooters.
He likes beer.
Do you?

Do you?



Funny you mention Hooters and beer. Sitting at the bar of one near my house drinking a large draft while waiting on a 10 piece naked hot wings.

Beer
HuckFinn Offline
#904 Posted: Tue, Oct 2 2018, 1:36 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Funny you mention Hooters and beer. Sitting at the bar of one near my house drinking a large draft while waiting on a 10 piece naked hot wings.

Beer

Now that doesn't suck
Abrignac Offline
#905 Posted: Tue, Oct 2 2018, 1:41 PM EST
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That doesn’t .....
Abrignac Offline
#906 Posted: Tue, Oct 2 2018, 1:41 PM EST
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On the other hand, I can’t remember what I was supposed to do next.
zitotczito Offline
#907 Posted: Tue, Oct 2 2018, 1:53 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Zito...do you forget that Kennedy is a conservative judge appointed by Reagan.

You also forget, all the judges are ancient. The youngest is 58 the oldest is 85. Any of them could drop dead at any time. If you think the Dems are playing things so political,and just randomly assigning sexual assault charges to anyone to eliminate them as a candidate, then why wouldn't they assume they need that spot as well? It was well understood at the presidential election that the winner was likely going to get to appoint 2 judges possibly 3.

But again... Most importantly.... What did they possibly gain here?
In your mind they manufactured this assault charge to block kavanaugh, because he is replacing a swing vote. So? What did they gain? Trump can nominate another conservative and they gain nothing. This isn't 10 months from a presidential election, this is 2 years. Even if they sweep the midterms, they can't go 2 years without confirming. There is nothing to gain.

Take this for what it is. A dude, who all on his own has managed to live his life in a way that a number of women seem to think he did something which by today's standard is inappropriate.

I won't disagree that the Dems are amplifying this. Why wouldn't they? politically it's gold... The reps doubled down on him for some retarded reason, which allows a flashback to Alabama, where reps almost elected a dude with seriously questionable interest in young girls. This sort of stuff makes the rep party look bad and the Dems will keep pointing it out because that's good for them politically.

Me... I find it hilarious.




Victor, no I did not forget about Kennedy and while a conservative, he was clearly a swing vote, voting for both sides issues at various times and in my mind what a good judge should do, vote on the issue, not the party to which you may belong.

Now regarding your statement: " You also forget, all the judges are ancient," please advise me as to how you know what I am thinking or what I may have forgotten.

And the other statement you made in part, "In your mind they manfactured this assault charge to block Kavanaugh,, is at the best presumptious on your part. The only statement I made previously is: "Judge Amy Coney Barrett is my pick. She could claim that she was molested and would be untouchable by the left." Nowhere in my statement do I mention Judge Kavanaugh nor say that the Democrats manfactured the assault charge. You may infer what you want from the statement but that does not make it true. Please again advise me how you know what I am thinking.


But I will tell you what I think and I thought Roe v. Wade was a bad decision then and remains to this day. I am Catholic, I am a Conservative and I am pro-life. I am against abortion except under very limited circumstances. I believe that due process and facts matter. And up to and until there are facts and corroboration provided regarding the allegations made against Judge Kavanaugh, it remains an allegation.


It appears to me that you and I are on seperate sides of the fence, I do not know you and I will not hazard to guess what you are thinking.
victor809 Offline
#908 Posted: Tue, Oct 2 2018, 3:10 PM EST
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Zito... Kavanaugh's stance on abortion should have absolutely nothing to do with this discussion, from either side. And very honestly it doesn't.

If he doesn't get confirmed there are plenty of other anti-abortion candidates who trump can select. I'm sure one or two of them haven't sexually assaulted anyone (not Barrett, we already established that she sexually assaulted drafter).

However, choosing your candidate simply because you believe she can "claim that she was molested and be untouchable by the left" certainly implies that you think all these claims against kavanaugh are manufactured. I'm simply pointing out that there is absolutely nothing to gain from manufacturing these claims.
Abrignac Offline
#909 Posted: Tue, Oct 2 2018, 3:15 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
... there is absolutely nothing to gain from manufacturing these claims.


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victor809 Offline
#910 Posted: Tue, Oct 2 2018, 3:22 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Cough bl cough ow cough j cough o cough b


someone's gonna give you a bj?
delta1 Offline
#911 Posted: Tue, Oct 2 2018, 3:28 PM EST
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cough = grunt
fiddler898 Offline
#912 Posted: Tue, Oct 2 2018, 4:06 PM EST
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Hah! Mud & MuckConnell. Almost as good as Judge Animal House.
dstieger Offline
#913 Posted: Tue, Oct 2 2018, 4:12 PM EST
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Watched a vid of a right-wing body-language 'expert' go through Ford's testimony....huge bias obvious from outset....but it does sow enough doubt that she could have been lying, which I'd never really considered before -- still think she could have been mistaken about attacker, but for first time, I have to consider that POSSIBLY, much of it was made up...maybe? I still doubt that, but I now acknowledge it's in the realm of the possible
fiddler898 Offline
#914 Posted: Tue, Oct 2 2018, 4:49 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
not only that, but the accusation requires us to believe that Ford anticipated as far back as 2010, when she first mentioned to someone that she had been sexually assaulted, that someone she knew, in her past, would be in position to ascend to the highest Court...

Is there a con alive who can predict today that there will be a Dem President in 8 years and name the people on her/his shortlist for a possible SCOTUS nomination, let alone the actual name of the nominee? Cons accuse libs of all sorts of underhanded and devious behavior, but do libs really have this sort of supernatural malignant prescience?

This is where the birther stuff came from...



Why Yes, we do. Just wait 'til 2028!
Krazeehorse Offline
#915 Posted: Tue, Oct 2 2018, 8:58 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Watched a vid of a right-wing body-language 'expert' go through Ford's testimony....huge bias obvious from outset....but it does sow enough doubt that she could have been lying, which I'd never really considered before -- still think she could have been mistaken about attacker, but for first time, I have to consider that POSSIBLY, much of it was made up...maybe? I still doubt that, but I now acknowledge it's in the realm of the possible


Yea yea I know this isn't a criminal trial but are you convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that she's telling the truth?
jjanecka Offline
#916 Posted: Tue, Oct 2 2018, 9:16 PM EST
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I mean we've all seen how hideous she looked in the face during the 80's but she might have had a slammin body.
bgz Offline
#917 Posted: Tue, Oct 2 2018, 10:19 PM EST
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It just came out the innocent Dr. Ford helped at least one person prepare for a polygraph...

Apparently she lied about that one at the hearing... oops (I'm guessing somehow republicans got word of this, therefore asked the question).

Also, she doesn't have a fear of flying as she hopped on at least one propeller plane.

It also seems that she does not have a fear of tight spaces either.

Oh, and that polygraph she helped the friend with was to get into the FBI... but possibly has not been with the FBI since 2016 (didn't confirm this).

Anyway, so busted... so busted.
jjanecka Offline
#918 Posted: Tue, Oct 2 2018, 10:24 PM EST
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I'm reading this story on NYTimes about Kav's "wreckless" drinking. Sounds like a normal salt of the earth kind of guy. The more I here about his former drinking habits the more I want him to be on the SCOTUS. Seems like he's got the life experiences necessary to fulfill that task and judge the law with fair representation of all people.
dstieger Offline
#919 Posted: Wed, Oct 3 2018, 9:49 AM EST
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Krazeehorse wrote:
Yea yea I know this isn't a criminal trial but are you convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that she's telling the truth?


No. I'm not convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that Ford has been 100% honest.

However, FWIW, I AM convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that Kavanaugh has not been 100% honest.
delta1 Offline
#920 Posted: Wed, Oct 3 2018, 1:40 PM EST
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He was testifying under oath, so his dishonesty is called "perjury."
HuckFinn Offline
#921 Posted: Wed, Oct 3 2018, 3:15 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
He was testifying under oath, so his dishonesty is called "perjury."

Give him a break!

He was drunk!
Krazeehorse Offline
#922 Posted: Wed, Oct 3 2018, 9:05 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
He was testifying under oath, so his dishonesty is called "perjury."


Not what they called it when Clinton did it. Not saying it isn't perjury, just saying it doesn't always matter.
RMAN4443 Offline
#923 Posted: Wed, Oct 3 2018, 9:20 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
He was testifying under oath, so his dishonesty is called "perjury."

Her dishonesty is also referred to as "perjury"....no difference....she was also under oath
rfenst Offline
#924 Posted: Thu, Oct 4 2018, 6:35 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:
No. I'm not convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that Ford has been 100% honest.

However, FWIW, I AM convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that Kavanaugh has not been 100% honest.


Ditto.
Abrignac Offline
#925 Posted: Thu, Oct 4 2018, 7:50 AM EST
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I’m convinced that their isn’t a single person sitting in Congress, the White House or on the Federal bench that has been 💯 honest. Utopia doesn’t and has never existed. It’s time to get on with the buisness of government.
bgz Offline
#926 Posted: Thu, Oct 4 2018, 8:57 AM EST
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One thing I learned from doctor house... everybody lies.
victor809 Offline
#927 Posted: Thu, Oct 4 2018, 11:24 AM EST
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Looks likely he's gonna get confirmed, as he should be. FBI investigation interviewed 9(?) people?
Excellent. Means there's plenty of opportunity for more information to come out.

Hopefully this entire thing leads us to the most logical and appropriate result. President trump will nominate a SCJ who he finds to be representative of the type of morals he exhibits.... and sufficient evidence ultimately will come up to show us exactly what sort of person that would be.

Any other result will be moderately disappointing.
bgz Offline
#928 Posted: Thu, Oct 4 2018, 11:45 AM EST
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I think I just dropped a few IQ points from reading that ^
victor809 Offline
#929 Posted: Thu, Oct 4 2018, 11:49 AM EST
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bgz wrote:
I think I just dropped a few IQ points from reading that ^


Don't think you had that many remaining.
bgz Offline
#930 Posted: Thu, Oct 4 2018, 11:58 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Don't think you had that many remaining.


You're right, I should quit reading your posts.
victor809 Offline
#931 Posted: Thu, Oct 4 2018, 12:05 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
You're right, I should quit reading your posts.



I agree.
delta1 Offline
#932 Posted: Thu, Oct 4 2018, 12:09 PM EST
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the most controversial and unfit nominee, in my lifetime, will be confirmed onto the SCOTUS on Saturday...
rfenst Offline
#933 Posted: Thu, Oct 4 2018, 12:14 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
the most controversial and unfit nominee, in my lifetime, will be confirmed onto the SCOTUS on Saturday...


Cover-up!
bgz Offline
#934 Posted: Thu, Oct 4 2018, 12:14 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I agree.


Ya, they are kinda toxic... you should change your boot to a surgeon general warning label.
DrafterX Offline
#935 Posted: Thu, Oct 4 2018, 12:15 PM EST
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the most controversial and unfit nominee so far... Trump may get to nominate another.. ThumpUp
victor809 Offline
#936 Posted: Thu, Oct 4 2018, 12:28 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
the most controversial and unfit nominee so far... Trump may get to nominate another.. ThumpUp


This may be drafter's funniest and smartest post ever...

I'm not sure if he meant it or not.
victor809 Offline
#937 Posted: Thu, Oct 4 2018, 12:28 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
Ya, they are kinda toxic... you should change your boot to a surgeon general warning label.


Honestly.... that's kinda a fun idea
delta1 Offline
#938 Posted: Thu, Oct 4 2018, 12:35 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
the most controversial and unfit nominee so far... Trump may get to nominate another.. ThumpUp




lol...if we drift any further to the right, we'll roll off the cliff...
victor809 Offline
#939 Posted: Thu, Oct 4 2018, 12:42 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
lol...if we drift any further to the right, we'll roll off the cliff...


And if that's what our population wants.... that's what we deserve.
HuckFinn Offline
#940 Posted: Thu, Oct 4 2018, 12:44 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
lol...if we drift any further to the right, we'll roll off the cliff...

Winning
bgz Offline
#941 Posted: Thu, Oct 4 2018, 1:31 PM EST
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So are you guys claiming you can travel as far as you want to the left without falling off a cliff? Or will you rely on communism to catch you?

@victor... not quite what I had in mind, but dig the change never the less :D
victor809 Offline
#942 Posted: Thu, Oct 4 2018, 1:45 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
So are you guys claiming you can travel as far as you want to the left without falling off a cliff? Or will you rely on communism to catch you?

@victor... not quite what I had in mind, but dig the change never the less :D


It amuses me for a bit... But the boot really was a good one for so many different reasons. Besides, I've always been amused by Fairey.....
delta1 Offline
#943 Posted: Thu, Oct 4 2018, 1:47 PM EST
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communism?....communism? when did that happen in the US?

There has been an age of progressivism on the SCOTUS that seems to have come to an end...what are the communistic results of that age?
bgz Offline
#944 Posted: Thu, Oct 4 2018, 1:52 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
It amuses me for a bit... But the boot really was a good one for so many different reasons. Besides, I've always been amused by Fairey.....


Interesting work for sure. I'm sure a deal could be cut with Bethesda for a Fallout game.
DrafterX Offline
#945 Posted: Thu, Oct 4 2018, 1:57 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
This may be drafter's funniest and smartest post ever...

I'm not sure if he meant it or not.



I was just kiddin... And he's only controversial because some highschool chick had a dream about him... Mellow
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#946 Posted: Thu, Oct 4 2018, 1:57 PM EST
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I still need to play fallout 4.

But it honestly has been going a bit sideways from Fallout3 on
bgz Offline
#947 Posted: Thu, Oct 4 2018, 2:01 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
communism?....communism? when did that happen in the US?

There has been an age of progressivism on the SCOTUS that seems to have come to an end...what are the communistic results of that age?


If the goals are to push for the masses to rely on the government and enforce it through constant legislation of new nanny laws, and to steer the country towards redistribution of wealth... then ultimately, you're in favor of communism... even if you choose not to refer to it as such.

Luckily, we're not there yet... you have to travel pretty far to the left to get there.
bgz Offline
#948 Posted: Thu, Oct 4 2018, 2:04 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I still need to play fallout 4.

But it honestly has been going a bit sideways from Fallout3 on


Ya, I bought it, played it for about half an hour. One of these days I'll put some time into it.

I liked 3. Played the Vegas expansion too. The old school 1 and 2 were awesome though... I think we talked about this before and you recommended some other game that I never tried (and still never tried).

Just haven't had much time to take on any new games lately.
victor809 Offline
#949 Posted: Thu, Oct 4 2018, 2:29 PM EST
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Prolly wasteland.
Fallout 1 was based on the original wasteland (old c64 game)...
Wasteland 2 came out a few years ago and was fun.
Wasteland 3 is coming out early 2019... I'm looking forward to it
bgz Offline
#950 Posted: Thu, Oct 4 2018, 2:35 PM EST
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That's right. I might have to hit you up for that name someday when I got time to play it.

Edit:

Just looked it up, I'll probably skip #1... have a hard time going back to 8 bit.

#2 and #3 look pretty awesome though.
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