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bgz Offline
#201 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 9:02 AM EST
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Ya, I saw the theory... makes sense. If true, the party was at that other guy's house. Turns out she actually was drinking. No chance in hell that she can prove anything.
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#202 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 9:19 AM EST
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It's not uncommon for a victim of a crime to forget/block out certain details. Stuff like the time, even the room,.

What they never forget, because they were traumatized, is the person who did the deed.
And she knew the dude.

Btw, I think the thing happened, but I also think it's something she should let go. Bygones.
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#203 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 9:39 AM EST
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The fast she can't remember makes me doubt she only had one beer also... Mellow
dstieger Offline
#204 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 9:43 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Mostly unrelated to Kavanaugh and Ford, but I applaud whoever has been able to control the Tweeter in Chief this week. Sure, some media will find ways to attack what little he's said thus far, but I, for one, am impressed that someone (Conway, maybe?) has been able to keep him in a pretty safe box so far


Never mind
opelmanta1900 Offline
#205 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 9:43 AM EST
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The fact she said she only had one beer makes me doubt she only had one beer...
DrafterX Offline
#206 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 9:45 AM EST
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Hell, it could been Festus in that room for all we know... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#207 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 10:02 AM EST
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dseig wrote:
Never mind

Hah.... The MIC found his cell phone I guess....
victor809 Offline
#208 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 10:05 AM EST
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The whole "mistook him for a different person" idea is ridiculous.
We're talking about a social event, not a sudden alley attack. Throughout the night people would be calling each other by name, people will know who they are going to see . .
DrafterX Offline
#209 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 10:07 AM EST
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It was Festus.. he gave her ludes and stuff.. Mellow
opelmanta1900 Offline
#210 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 10:37 AM EST
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I'd like to know where cosby was on the night in question... maybe she just thinks she got away...
delta1 Offline
#211 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 11:26 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Never mind


I was just gonna post that...

never mind...
DrafterX Offline
#212 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 11:27 AM EST
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Think




Opens up a whole different can of worms if Festus brought pot to the party tho... Think
delta1 Offline
#213 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 11:29 AM EST
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too bad there aren't any women here...they'd prolly be able to provide a deeper insight into the mindset of a sexual assault victim...

I ask any of you who are villainizing the accuser to have a conversation with some women in your lives, respectable and independent ones, and express your theories to them about Dr. Ford's motives, memories, delay and hesitance to come forward...

for some of you, remember to tell them they are permitted to speak openly and honestly...Anxious
MACS Offline
#214 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 11:37 AM EST
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When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers. - Socrates
victor809 Offline
#215 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 11:44 AM EST
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That'd be great if there were a debate anywhere.

Maybe you should keep that in your pocket for a bit longer MACS....
DrafterX Offline
#216 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 11:46 AM EST
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How many guys here have made out with an ugly chick when drunk before and regretted it the next day..?? Who do you blame..?? It prolly wouldn't have happened if not for the beers... Some would say the ugly chick took advantage of you right..?? Did you call the police or tell your friends..?? It's not always the guys fault... Mellow
delta1 Offline
#217 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 11:50 AM EST
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see post #213...
DrafterX Offline
#218 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 11:56 AM EST
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Or we can just get Jade's opinion... He's sensitive and stuff.... prolly been raped too... Mellow
MACS Offline
#219 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 11:58 AM EST
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Nah... Jade likes it. You can't rape the willing.
victor809 Offline
#220 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 11:59 AM EST
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Drafter's really throwing anything at this he can....

The arguments or equivocations are getting dumber and dumber...

Why don't we just investigate it and get information first?
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#221 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 12:00 PM EST
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He is rather feminine tho... So we have to believe what ever he says right..?? Huh
victor809 Offline
#222 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 12:21 PM EST
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No... I generally don't believe anything you say despite your breast size....
DrafterX Offline
#223 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 12:22 PM EST
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I knew you were looking at them... Not talking
MACS Offline
#224 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 12:36 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
That'd be great if there were a debate anywhere.

Maybe you should keep that in your pocket for a bit longer MACS....


Yeah, I guess you're right. There's nothing to debate, except the slander.

In criminal court there's reasonable doubt. I think we have that here, for certain. In civil court it's just a preponderance of the evidence, and there's just no way there's enough to believe her.

How can any reasonable person not dismiss this, offhand?
DrafterX Offline
#225 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 12:48 PM EST
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It's easy if you try... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#226 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 12:53 PM EST
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You're gonna have to be more clear MACS. Where is the debate that you think has been lost and the losing side has resorted to slander?
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#227 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 12:55 PM EST
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This is why pithy quotes and memes are ultimately counterproductive in actually trying to get your idea across.
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#228 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 1:09 PM EST
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I think he's talking about fishing... It means like when de fishin bate is lost, scream "f*ck you fish"... It won't help you catch fish but it'll make you a happier loser...
MACS Offline
#229 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 1:15 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I think he's talking about fishing... It means like when de fishin bate is lost, scream "f*ck you fish"... It won't help you catch fish but it'll make you a happier loser...


Fuh sho... fuh sho...

The debate here, Victor, is whether we should believe this woman... no. Whether an investigation is warranted... no. And whether Kavanaugh should be confirmed... yes.

Have you not been following along with this thread? Those are the things we all seem to be 'debating' here.

Since I believe, based on her complete lack of any evidence for there to even be a 'preponderance', that this woman is a bold-faced liar... what she said is, indeed, slanderous.
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#230 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 1:17 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
It's easy if you try... Mellow

you still imagining?
opelmanta1900 Offline
#231 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 1:36 PM EST
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I don't think she's lying... I think in her mind she probably thought and thinks she was the victim of an attempted rape... But I sincerely doubt she was... If 2 seventeen year old boys wanna rape a 15 year old girl, it's happening... Even in her account of things it's hard to see the situation as anything other than drunken high school shenanigans...
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#232 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 1:41 PM EST
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To be clear MACS. It the debate is over whether the woman should be believed, then the accusation is not slander. It isn't slander until you have proven it to be true or false. Your argument is circular.

If the debate is over whether her accusation should be investigated, then her statement is relevant to the debate, ie without the statement there is no debate over the investigation. So again, not slander.

The only situation under which you could have used your "pithy" quote is if the debate were whether kavanaugh should be confirmed (which I don't believe is actually part of the debate in this thread) would this count as slander. I believe I even said that if it were true and he had simply admitted it I could see an easy path around it.

The absolute best part of this is your statement that the woman is a liar because of her complete lack of evidence.
You realize that a lack of evidence should cause you to not draw a conclusion, right? That a lack of evidence doesn't mean the other side is right? Right?
Maybe you need to read more Socrates.
victor809 Offline
#233 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 1:43 PM EST
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Opel.... So you're saying we should be more disappointed in kavanaugh's incompetence? (J/k)
MACS Offline
#234 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 1:45 PM EST
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The guy whose entire existence here is argumentative circle talk is calling me on it. HA!
victor809 Offline
#235 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 1:50 PM EST
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.... ^ and that's a perfect example of your Socrates quote.

Good job on providing an example. Now you need to use the quote at the right time.
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#236 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 1:52 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Opel.... So you're saying we should be more disappointed in kavanaugh's incompetence? (J/k)

Kinda... If he'd succeeded we could just disqualify him and be done... Even if he tried to rape her we could be done... But he's essentially been accused of thinking about trying to try to try to rape someone and now we've gotta sit around and talk about how bad that actually is...
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#237 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 1:54 PM EST
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I mean... It is pretty astounding. Literally just 2 hours earlier (plus a few minutes) you try to vaguely imply that someone is stating negative falsehoods about kavanaugh because their argument is weak.
Then... When I point out precisely why your use of that quote is inaccurate... You state negative falsehoods about me.
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#238 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 1:55 PM EST
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By the way, is it too soon to talk about the fact that a white man can try to think about raping a woman and it might ruin his career, but a black man can essentially rape for a career and be an American hero for decades?
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#239 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 1:57 PM EST
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Don't completely disagree Opel... Like I said, if this did happen and he admitted it and everything, I don't think it would necessarily kill his chances. The important thing to consider is he has now in the present denied it. So if she is shown to be credible, or other people support her statement then he didn't just do it, but is trying to cover it up and not face the consequences now, which is not really a judge-worthy trait.
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#240 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 1:59 PM EST
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Um... Opel... 1- he's had a pretty good career. We aren't talking about it being ruined. We're talking about him not being the most powerful judge in the nation. 2- Cosby's career did get ruined. After it came out he got no more work and went to prison (didn't he? Or did he die first?)
MACS Offline
#241 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 2:03 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
.... ^ and that's a perfect example of your Socrates quote.

Good job on providing an example. Now you need to use the quote at the right time.


I'd have to lose an argument first... I have yet to do that with you.

Your existence here on this very forum is arguing... with quite a few people... about anything. If it's true, it isn't slander, homie.
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#242 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 2:06 PM EST
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... your statement was not arguing. It was "argumentative circle talk". Which you have not proven. Since you provided no evidence I choose to believe myself when I say my arguments are not circular, which makes what you said slander.

(See what I did there?)
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#243 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 2:07 PM EST
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... and MACS. Just because you don't acknowledge (or possibly even know) that you've lost an argument, doesn't mean you haven't.
MACS Offline
#244 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 2:15 PM EST
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Okie dokie...
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#245 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 2:21 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Don't completely disagree Opel... Like I said, if this did happen and he admitted it and everything, I don't think it would necessarily kill his chances. The important thing to consider is he has now in the present denied it. So if she is shown to be credible, or other people support her statement then he didn't just do it, but is trying to cover it up and not face the consequences now, which is not really a judge-worthy trait.

By her own words, he was "stumbling drunk"... So drunk he couldn't rape a 15 year old, even with backup, even once he was on top of her... So By her own account he would likely have no memory of this...
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#246 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 2:22 PM EST
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And technically he has admitted to not raping her, which is what she accuses him of...
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#247 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 2:26 PM EST
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Hehe....not the most impressive weaseling for a candidate at the top spot in judicial career. If she sounds credible they're just better off finding a better candidate. Maybe one who hasn't tried drunkenly forcing himself on women.... Maybe not... But at least one who had the commitment to hide the body?
MACS Offline
#248 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 2:59 PM EST
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Amy Coney Barrett, perhaps?
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#249 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 3:03 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Amy Coney Barrett, perhaps?

I heard she raped drafter when he was drunk.
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#250 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 3:05 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I heard she raped drafter when he was drunk.


False... drafter drunkenly groped her, then Jade jumped on them and she got away.
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