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DrafterX Offline
#251 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 3:08 PM EST
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I wasn't there... Not talking
victor809 Offline
#252 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 3:10 PM EST
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Drafter is just telling us that story because he was too embarrassed about the truth.

She had a strap on and he was drunk and lubed up....
DrafterX Offline
#253 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 3:17 PM EST
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freak.. Mellow
victor809 Offline
#254 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 4:22 PM EST
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That's exactly what someone who got drunkenly azz raped by Amy Coney Barrett with a strap on would say.
DrafterX Offline
#255 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 4:42 PM EST
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I don't even know who that is... Mellow
MACS Offline
#256 Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2018, 6:44 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I don't even know who that is... Mellow


She's likely who gets nominated if Kavanaugh does not get confirmed. Many reps wanted her to be nominated in the first place. If the left doesn't like Kavanaugh, they're really not gonna like Amy. She's more conservative than Kavanaugh, and she's Catholic... and would be harder to bring bogus allegations against.
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#257 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 8:20 AM EST
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Found one of the two girls that grabbed my butt during National Grab Ass week in 1981. She's an accountant now.

The mental anguish all came rushing back. The emotional scare larger that the physical scare on my right arm (a scar about an inch long on my arm). I must have been repressing the pain successfully until now.

Rfenst,
Are you still practicing?
MACS Offline
#258 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 10:32 AM EST
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Dilly dilly!
tailgater Offline
#259 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 1:27 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
It's not uncommon for a victim of a crime to forget/block out certain details. Stuff like the time, even the room,.

What they never forget, because they were traumatized, is the person who did the deed.
And she knew the dude.

Btw, I think the thing happened, but I also think it's something she should let go. Bygones.



Let what go?

That he grabbed her boob 36 years ago?

From what I've read, even if everything she said is 100% the truth, it wouldn't be enough to put a 17 year old in jail if the event happened yesterday.

But let it simmer for 36 years and she can ruin his life with it.

What the F*ck is wrong with people?
victor809 Offline
#260 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 1:47 PM EST
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I think this is an interesting perspective.

I believe (I could be incorrect, but I thought I remembered reading this) she has evidence that she was talking about this to a shrink well before kavanaugh was a nominee . That implies this has had a negative impact on her life sufficient to come up in conversation with a shrink after 30+ years.

Kavanaugh just might not get the highest judge position in the land, but there's no one calling for him to stop doing whatever work he is currently doing.

Yet his life might be "ruined" by this. Ruined because he simply doesn't get to be the supreme court judge....

Sounds like a 15 year old girl who's life is ruined because her parents won't let her go to a concert
victor809 Offline
#261 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 1:52 PM EST
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It seems a lot of the people here who want to dismiss this and not investigate have the perspective that him not getting to become a supreme court judge is "ruining his life"... While whatever suffering she may or may not have gone through for the past 30+ years is brushed off as a whole "well she didn't say anything to anyone so it must not have bothered her at all. Her life must have been great except for the part where she mistakenly didn't let kavanaugh and his friend have sex with her when she was 15"... (Yes that is literally tails perspective).

It's interesting to me to see people think like this. I mean... No one here is supreme court judge... Or even then prison guard equivalent... So we all must have ruined lives....
DrafterX Offline
#262 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 1:53 PM EST
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Sadly 'kavanaugh isn't the target.. Trump is.. Mellow
HuckFinn Offline
#263 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 2:00 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Let what go?

That he grabbed her boob 36 years ago?

From what I've read, even if everything she said is 100% the truth, it wouldn't be enough to put a 17 year old in jail if the event happened yesterday.

But let it simmer for 36 years and she can ruin his life with it.

What the F*ck is wrong with people?


Maybe you're right.
Maybe he should get a medal!

Just curious, would you be this forgiving if it was your daughter?

And also, as you can't put yourself in her shoes and feel what she's feeling, shut up!!!

Besides, her shoe doesn't comes in a size 12.
I looked for a friend.
MACS Offline
#264 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 2:00 PM EST
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Okay, Victor... let's let someone make indefensible/unproveable accusations against you and have it aired over national TV for a month and see how you feel about it, then? Eh?

As a judge I believe his reputation is his life... and she's ruining it... or trying to.
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#265 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 2:05 PM EST
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Right. But what if they're true? Even if they can't be proven. Should she just go away and STFU?
Let the guy who she knows put his hands on her without consent just become the next scotus?

I can see why if this event really happened she'd want to ruin the guy.
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#266 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 2:18 PM EST
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Gotta say I'm with Huck here on this.there are a million different crimes that are "indefensible/unprovable"... We don't generally say "oh we shouldn't do anything about those".

It's only when it's a guy whose about to be confirmed for SCOTUS that we suddenly are only super careful not to investigate unless there's already evidence?
MACS Offline
#267 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 3:43 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Gotta say I'm with Huck here on this.there are a million different crimes that are "indefensible/unprovable"... We don't generally say "oh we shouldn't do anything about those".

It's only when it's a guy whose about to be confirmed for SCOTUS that we suddenly are only super careful not to investigate unless there's already evidence?


WHAT!?? No there are not crimes that are indefensible/unproveable if you bring them to light before 4 fkn decades go by. This is exactly what the leftist dbags wanted.

Again, I say I hope he gets confirmed, and if he does not, I hope Trump nominates Barrett.
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#268 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 4:52 PM EST
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Mhmm ... A huge number of rapes or attempted rapes can fit into a he said / she said situation. Especially if the accused says it was consensual. It only takes a day or two for there to be no evidence of alcohol. Wait a few weeks and beatings become indefensible/unprovable... These dont get ignored generally. If I beat a guy for kicks and he waited until the cuts and bruises were healed before going to the police should I not get investigated?
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#269 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 4:59 PM EST
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Did he say somethin about your momma..?? Huh
victor809 Offline
#270 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 5:07 PM EST
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Why does it have to be a he?
DrafterX Offline
#271 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 5:08 PM EST
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You said guy... So I just figured.. Mellow
MACS Offline
#272 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 5:09 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Mhmm ... A huge number of rapes or attempted rapes can fit into a he said / she said situation. Especially if the accused says it was consensual. It only takes a day or two for there to be no evidence of alcohol. Wait a few weeks and beatings become indefensible/unprovable... These dont get ignored generally. If I beat a guy for kicks and he waited until the cuts and bruises were healed before going to the police should I not get investigated?


My point, exactly. They can be proven if reported promptly. Sexual assault/rape will show evidence if a SART exam is done quickly. It will also show BAC of both victim and accused if reported asap.

If you beat a guy and he waits until his wounds heal before he reports it? He probably had it coming. If he didn't, he'd have reported you right away. If some dude kicks your ass, you gonna wait until you heal before reporting? No.

What she is saying (groping, mind you... no rape) cannot be proven nor defended. How would you do either 40 years later?
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#273 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 6:55 PM EST
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But you're missing my point. Even if it can't be proven that doesn't mean it shouldn't be looked into. Maybe the investigation will unearth more victims who have kept quiet.

We aren't trying to convict him. We're trying to determine if he's an appropriate selection for supreme court. If your daughter told you a dude tried raping her 2 weeks ago and she had just managed to get away would your response be "oh well... We can't prove it .. we should just make him a supreme court judge since there's nothing else we could possibly do"....

He'll never be impeached... I doubt it's even within the statute of limitations. Criminally he's probably not liable.
victor809 Offline
#274 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 6:58 PM EST
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The funny part would be if he does get confirmed but then another 15 or so women come forward saying he tried variations on the same thing with them. Of course it won't be prosecutable, so there's no reason to impeach... And we'll have a known attempted rapist on the bench for decades.

That would actually be my favorite outcome of this. It would fit our world really well....
DrafterX Offline
#275 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 7:04 PM EST
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I would bet everybody's daughter has been dry-humped at some time... I can take credit for a dozen or so... Mellow
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#276 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 7:12 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
The funny part would be if he does get confirmed but then another 15 or so women come forward saying he tried variations on the same thing with them. Of course it won't be prosecutable, so there's no reason to impeach... And we'll have a known attempted rapist on the bench for decades.

That would actually be my favorite outcome of this. It would fit our world really well....

on the parallel thread MACS saw the reason to avoid future "fixing"
MACS Offline
#277 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 7:15 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
But you're missing my point. Even if it can't be proven that doesn't mean it shouldn't be looked into. Maybe the investigation will unearth more victims who have kept quiet.

We aren't trying to convict him. We're trying to determine if he's an appropriate selection for supreme court. If your daughter told you a dude tried raping her 2 weeks ago and she had just managed to get away would your response be "oh well... We can't prove it .. we should just make him a supreme court judge since there's nothing else we could possibly do"....

He'll never be impeached... I doubt it's even within the statute of limitations. Criminally he's probably not liable.


Non-sequitur. It was damn near 4 decades, not 2 weeks. And if I had a daughter who brought up something like this 36 years later, I'd say the same things I'm saying now. Truth.

Hell if it was even 2 years, I'd be all for it. 36 years? Come on, man.

And we're not trying to convict, or determine if he's fit... we're trying to delay in the hopes the elction takes away the possibility of his confirmation. Period.

My best case scenario is that the dems lose more seats and he gets confirmed anyway... and then Barrett gets confirmed, too.
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#278 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 7:32 PM EST
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Mhmm. Why do you assume the goal is not to point out whether he is fit or not, but to delay?

And 2 weeks or 4 decades... Your point was that the evidence is gone. So there isn't much of a difference between the two. Except in your head.
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#279 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 7:34 PM EST
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But honestly it would be abso-fing-lutely hilarious if he got confirmed without an investigation and more women came forward. He could be referred to as the supreme court rapist.
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#280 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 7:41 PM EST
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The Democrats can and obviously have investigated this themselves... the party has money to do this... The whole FBI investigating thing is just another delay tactic.. Mellow
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#281 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 7:51 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Mhmm. Why do you assume the goal is not to point out whether he is fit or not, but to delay?

And 2 weeks or 4 decades... Your point was that the evidence is gone. So there isn't much of a difference between the two. Except in your head.


Talk to a forensics technician, pal... there's a WORLD of difference.
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#282 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 7:51 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
But honestly it would be abso-fing-lutely hilarious if he got confirmed without an investigation and more women came forward. He could be referred to as the supreme court rapist.


It's been how long? Nobody else has come forward... except the 65 women in FAVOR of the judge.

Ooopsie.
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#283 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 8:00 PM EST
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Meh... Probably a lot of women who Cosby didn't rape too who would have come forward to support him.

We never heard a thing about Weinstein either until suddenly lots of women came forward.

Doesn't mean he did it. But it will tickle me pink if we find out he did after he is confirmed.
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#284 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 8:04 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Meh... Probably a lot of women who Cosby didn't rape too who would have come forward to support him.

We never heard a thing about Weinstein either until suddenly lots of women came forward.

Doesn't mean he did it. But it will tickle me pink if we find out he did after he is confirmed.


You're proving my point. Many women DID come forward in the Cosby case. Same for Weinstein... they came charging out of the woodwork immediately.

Kavanaugh? Unless you count the ones in favor... crickets.
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#285 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 8:05 PM EST
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It hasn't been a week.
DrafterX Offline
#286 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 8:09 PM EST
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You don't think DiFi has been searching..?? Huh
MACS Offline
#287 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 8:26 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
You don't think DiFi has been searching..?? Huh


The whole democratic party has been searching... to no avail.

I believe Occam's razor applies here. The more assumptions you have to make about an explaination... the more unlikelier it is.
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#288 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 8:45 PM EST
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This whole thing is backwards.. 'kavanaugh has to prove his innocence instead of the accuser proving guilt.. Mellow
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#289 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 9:05 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
This whole thing is backwards.. 'kavanaugh has to prove his innocence instead of the accuser proving guilt.. Mellow

no, he won't.
you'll see.
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#290 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 9:06 PM EST
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Again... Not a criminal proceeding. This isn't uncommon in a normal job interview. We aren't talking about incarcerating him if he can't prove innocence. We're talking about not making him the highest judge in the nation. He still gets to be his current position regardless.

If an interviewer for any job told you they heard something questionable about your past just answering that they haven't proved your guilt so they should stop asking about that would be.... Dumb. If you can't convince them that there are no issues they will choose someone who they don't have any questions about.

I can't tell if people are circling the wagons around this for political reasons or if they just want to keep drunken rape attempts quiet because they think they're an appropriate part of youth (re 8tracks and drafter's attempt to minimalize this to just an azz grabbing) but it's hilarious either way.

There's honestly a lit of material here that really is gonna be fun to bring up at a later date.
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#291 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 9:09 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
This whole thing is backwards.. 'kavanaugh has to prove his innocence instead of the accuser proving guilt.. Mellow


Reasons to believe her: 1 - she said so

Reasons to believe him:
1. He categorically denies it
2. Judge says it isn't true
3. She waited 36 years to say something
4. What she says disagrees with her therapist, who she told 4 years ago
5. She doesn't remember who was there
6. She doesn't remember where it was
7. She doesn't remember how she got there
8. She doesn't remember how she got home
9. She has TDS
10. She's a hardcore libtard

Feel free to add more... there's plenty, I just can't be bothered right now.
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#292 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 9:12 PM EST
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That's a retarded list. I'll let Frank handle that...
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#293 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 9:16 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
That's a retarded list. I'll let Frank handle that...


Frank is wicked smaht...
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#294 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 9:16 PM EST
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Frank's a tard..?? That's not very nice...Shame on you
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#295 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 9:19 PM EST
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I yam what I yam

I'm sorry
DrafterX Offline
#296 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 9:30 PM EST
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Me too Frank.. that wasn't very nice... Mellow
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#297 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 9:33 PM EST
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love means never having to say you're sorry, and stuff.
MACS Offline
#298 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 9:37 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
love means never having to say you're sorry, and stuff.


Pretty sure Victor meant he was the tard, and wanted wicked smaht Frankie tripod to field the question.

Yup... positive.
DrafterX Offline
#299 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 9:39 PM EST
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That makes more sense.. Mellow
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#300 Posted: Sat, Sep 22 2018, 9:44 PM EST
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Or a long list of bad arguments isn't worth the time to address.
I mean... #10 could be a fun argument for the other side... "I believe he tried raping her because he's conservative"....
Once you start making these arguments you lose credibility and I become bored. If Frank wants to engage with you on them he can... Or you can just declare victory and dance around...

Basically if that's the level you want to play at I don't find it constructive to have that conversation. It just gives stupidity a voice.
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