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What is the Church of FSM’s view on abortion and right to life issues?
A: The Church of FSM’s position is that life starts before conception (somewhere around the point of seeing the boobs), and that sperms – as potential humans if allowed to develop – deserve the same protections as fetuses and fully grown people. Anyone who harms sperms is guilty of murder, including pushers of hot water Jacuzzi’s and tight-fitting underwears. We are all equal in the eyes of the LORD our Almighty Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Whooo boy, We gots a lot of BOTL here that are in deep trouble!

Most of your DNA is junk DNA by a pretty wide margin. Most mutations happen in the junk DNA that doesn't do anything.

Only over time (thousands to millions of years), do mutations happen that cause major changes, some get passed on, most don't. Some traits will be seen as advantageous, most won't. Chicks dig mutations that cause desirable traits, so those are the dudes that get all the tail... thus get to pass on their awesome mutations.

On another note, you really have no clue what you're talking about on this topic... so we'll move on to physics!!!

Physics is awesome... it's our way of describing the world around us, spoiler alert... physics applies to everything...

It feels like you're just trolling to try to bait some atheists into some weird metaphysical conversation... but I suspect you actually do believe the sh*t you are spewing. If not, I gave you a starting point that has some actual physicists working on it... but I don't think that's what you wanted to hear.

Finally, I've been drinking scotch a good portion of the day, so I'm just going to say it in a way that would make a usual nemesis but awkward ally in recent threads victor proud...

You sir, are an idiot.

Not me!

Er... wait...

Could you explain to me how physics applies to say cellular membrane physiology? Physics doesn't apply to everything. Physics is simply one important scientific field. Mathematics applies to everything.

As far as your conversation on DNA, much of what you say is correct, but rather incomplete. Very specific sequences of DNA are needed to be translated human being, monkey, snake and so on.

Primarily I find Victors train of thought to be quite erudite. If I am deeply considering something or somethings I will occasionally throw it out there to get Victors input which I value. I may even further disagree with him in hopes that he goes a little farther with his development of thought.

In actuality you have no concept of the game that I play when I choose to play. You are only looking at the game, not the game within the game.

Finally I find your trolling to be innefective. Though I will give you one compliment, I find you to be a moron, not an idiot.

I never had to mention your name while trolling you, did I. You were perdictable as usual. Thanks for the laugh.

BTW, here are the 2 questions I am pondering. And this thread has given me some ideas to consider. How are the laws of physics effected outside of the known universe? How is it possible for DNA to be random and specific at the same time?

All components of any living being are made of matter, thus is governed by physics.

Simple no?

As for the rest of what you said... well, I didn't read it, I stopped at physics doesn't apply to matter.

only on c-bid can a fight break out in a discussion of God's existence.
I love it here.

I thought we were talking about how physics doesn't apply to biological systems...

My bad.

Let me see if I can wrap my brain around this without confusing myself.

How are the laws of physics effected outside of the known universe?

We don't know because that would be the unknown universe. Only in the known universe we do know that laws of physics do apply. Also it is assumed that the laws also apply in what we do not know even in the "unknown universe". Ex: The Higgs Boson particle was just a theory that came about in 1964 because of applying "Laws of Physics" to what was being observed. In other words well I am seeing this happen each and every time but I do not know what is causing it. I know something is there causing it but I can not see it or measure it. Lucky for Higgs the Large Hadron Collider had came about and his theory was proven to be factual. In 2013 the "God particle" was found. It was up until that time that it was 'Unknown" to us in the entire known universe but by using laws of physics and deduction it became known.

How is it possible for DNA to be random and specific at the same time?

The best way I can think of to explain this is by using another example.

If chaos of any kind is allowed to go for long periods of time, each and every time a pattern does emerge.

As to the pattern being "specific" or having a function, Mark it up to physics, nature, god what ever you feel is right for you. I will say that if people feel that something or (God) is in control of these things that is strictly a personal thing. Me personally, I do feel there is a higher being that I choose to call God. I can not say for a fact there is or is not such a being, I do not have the need or desire to convince others that my belief is right or to convince them that their belief is wrong because I do not know. I only know for an absolute fact one thing. It is right for ME!

Now, since I have jumped in this rabbit hole, I am going to go look for Alice and see if I can get her drunk and talk her into playing with my lil fury mini Wok! And, where is that damn talking caterpillar Absolem. I need a hit off of that Bong!

Sorry brother Spey, this is the only logical explanation that I can come up with that that makes sense to me.

Still looking at things from the end result.
If human life was the goal, then yes , DNA would be a code to achieve that goal, and it would be highly unlikely to stumble upon it randomly.

However, what about if there is no "goal" in the universe? Then when the simplest building blocks were assembling (RNA incidentally is believed to precede DNA) , there were plenty of times when the sequence of RNA resulted in nothing. The same way no one thinks of the millions of lotto losers, there were huge numbers of random sequences which resulted in nothing. No coding of anything of value.

Don't get me wrong, I have no idea (I honestly haven't looked, others may have an idea) what the first replicating organism would look like. Did it code a protein, or was it just a string of RNA that was somehow able to replicate by assembling an opposite to bind with. As there would be no cell walls, I would expect no machinery... No translation machinery at first. And I don't know how the first replicating strings of RNA then managed to move into a contained environment (cell membranes, which would be made of amino acids and lipids, which would require RNA sequences to code it, and translation machinery, which shouldn't exist until there is a cell membrane)... But that doesn't mean there is a code. I just means we don't know enough to see how that step would be made yet.

We aren't the result of one dude knowing exactly what lotto numbers to pick. We are the result of millions of people picking lotto numbers and one of them actually hitting. The problem is that we're pretending after the fact that it was always destined to happen this way.

As for physics, I think you misinterpreted what I said. Physics is literally just physics. If there were an easier way to boil it down I would even take away the name physics. As in, the forces of the universe will interact with each other other whether we recognize them, correctly or incorrectly attribute numbers to them and derive formulas (again, correctly or incorrectly). The laws and rules we have applied are literally just our way of trying to apply a pattern so that we understand what is going on. It's a tough thing to explain... But it's important.
Look at it this way.... The laws are. The physical world will move to obey those laws (planets will spin, thhey will orbit, they will get closer or further from stars and they will crash into them and be obliterated... Hell,chunks of mass will congregate into larger masses. All this happens, and continues to happen. Our planet is temporarily (from a universe perspective) amenable to the type of life which developed. If it were amenable to a different type, that may have developed. If it weren't amenable to any life, then none would develop. there are other locations it may be developing or have developed.

Just because we can assign a value to a physics equation doesn't mean that the law is a pattern/code or anything like that... It just exists and we assigned a number.

I'm reminded of this comic... (Which incidentally involves a god existing) ...
https://smbc-comics.com/comic/pi

Is it my turn yet?....I think I missed my turn, and I wanna play too...

While you’re pondering ponder this. What makes you think you’re going to get. Never mind carryon.

This is 100% true.

But it seems that a huge percentage of what passes for "science" nowadays use the reverse-engineers approach to science.

We're not done yet... We're still evolving.

There's a lot of recent mutations and changes that have been happening for quite some time.

You ever wonder why most people need their wisdom teeth pulled? It's because as a species, are jaws are trending smaller. Unfortunately, our teeth didn't keep pace with our jaws... but our teeth are trending smaller as well. Maybe someday they'll catch up.

In my research about macrothrombocytopenia, I stumbled upon a mutation called Apolipoprotein AI-Milano which decreases the probability of heart attacks and strokes. That's a beneficial one for sure.

After a quick search, there are many such newly discovered mutations that are spreading through the population.

So no, humans can't be the end game if we're still changing. 100,000 years from now, we may still refer to ourselves as humans... but we won't be the same as we are today.

Wait, nothing is infinite and yet, we weren't created? If our universe had a definite beginning, which nearly all educated scientists believe, where did the first something come from?

The biologist who discovered it was probably a Happy Days fan

Yeah, but Hoyle was a poker player. He might have been bluffing.

To expand on victor's rebuttal, what we see is "what is"... and was.

The probability of the universe inflating to what we see today is irrelevant because everything we see happened. It could just as easily have inflated to something else where the probability of that happening would be equally unlikely. What we see is just one of infinitely many possible configurations. If the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics holds true, then all valid configurations can and do exist.

Yep... Like bgz stated, through this entire discussion, at every single layer you have to not consider the end results as a goal. The end results may not have happened... Or may have happened in any infinite number of small permutations which would have created almost exactly the world we're in, but slightly different. We are only selecting one end result and pretending it was a goal.

Opel.... Why do you assume the universe is "fine tuned to the life that exists in it"???

One could very easily question what evidence you have for that.
One could also state that given the life evolves in the conditions of the universe, the existing life will have adapted to the conditions of the universe, or have died off leaving a niche for something else to evolve into.

To make a statement that the universe is fine tuned to the existing life is.... Questionable at best....

Put it this way... A tornado blowing through a junkyard never creates a Boeing 737... Ever... Even if it does it one million times... Even if it does it an infinite number of times...

Something that might break your heart: an infinite number of monkeys infinitely typing away at an infinite number of typewriters never once replicate a work of Shakespeare... They create an infinite amount of nonsense...

Randomness never results in order... Even infinite randomness... It results in infinite chaos...

Seriously Victor, this is why I avoid grown up discussions with you...

just because something happens an infinite amount of times does not mean that all possible results will eventually occur... Is that what you think? No more Rick and morty for you...

And just to be clear, you do believe that an infinite number of tornadoes blowing through an infinite number of junkyard eventually results in a perfectly functioning Boeing 747? That's the religion you subscribe to?

Mhmm .. Opel... You have some very big gaps here.

1- provide any evidence that the "universe is fine tuned to the life that exists in it". You simply can't... Mainly because the universe is huge and we have almost zero information outside our solar system, and what information we have of our solar system suggests that anything outside our planet is pretty well NOT fine tuned to our existence. No one made that statement before you did. And it's nonsense.

2- the universe doesn't change to meet our needs. We change to meet its. Its not surprising that if you colonize an agar plate infused with ampicillin, that only your ampicillin resistent bacteria will grow... That's not because the agar plate was fine tuned to their existence, it's because everything which was unable to survive under the existing conditions died. That which could survive did. The agar plate didn't care.

3- your argument that randomness never creates order just states that we don't exist. You would need to apply that philosophy to absolutely anything you want to say created us ... God created us? He could not come into being in the first place... Either you allow him to be created out of randomness or out of nothing, or he doesn't exist. Aliens created us? They need to have evolved out of randomness first.